The-Snowman:
I like the way the cyclist called the lorry driver an idiot. Strange insult to make when he apparently cant understand a simple road sign
But why would they? Cyclists have done nothing whatsoever to prove their competency nor have they had to pass a test to prove their knowledge of the rules of the road. That was pretty much proven by the cyclists comments here: “we’re on the left because it’s london”.
But did the lorry driver know what the cyclists were going to do? He would certainly have known they were to his left in the left turning lane, and he must have been aware some of those had decided to come from the left turning position to force their way in front of him into his lane, so why was he not more careful? Just because someone is getting it wrong (either accidentally or wilfully) should not be an excuse to take risks with any vehicle let alone a lorry. I think a more experienced and careful driver would have anticipated better and allowed the cyclists to get on with their stupidity.
I think the big problem here is the lack of enforcement of road laws, the police should be dealing with these situations and cyclist riding like that should be fined, I would have the law changed so what you do on a bike could attract penalty points on your driving licence, 3 points on their driving licences would soon change attitudes as the vast amount of cyclists also drive.
Hope the driver sued for any scratches to his truck!!
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iguana:
All the trucks fault says the halfwits at the Daily Mail!
That’s the mail for you. I dunno how it’s writers sleep at night.
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i reckon he was quite rightly chopping up the fannys that he knew were there and could see as the 1st few got in front of him,and he never saw mr mangina till he scudded him cos he was too occupied in not taking the toes off the ones with the trailer wheels.but.the quote from the fanny.“ive got it on camera,and this is london” just makes me laugh and surely a perfect excersise in the logic of you cant educate pork.truckie did well though in not beating either of the 2 twonks to a pulp.
Captain Caveman 76:
The-Snowman:
I like the way the cyclist called the lorry driver an idiot. Strange insult to make when he apparently cant understand a simple road signBut why would they? Cyclists have done nothing whatsoever to prove their competency nor have they had to pass a test to prove their knowledge of the rules of the road. That was pretty much proven by the cyclists comments here: “we’re on the left because it’s london”.
Ive always championed a test for cyclists as well as identification methoeds on bikes but every cyclist on the forum from the trolls like boredwivdrivin and chester to the genuine arrogant angry lycra loon like roaduser66 can never supply a genuine argument for why its not a good idea. They instead always come back to the answer that the drivers need to be using better observation and how few incidents are the fault of cyclists.
The problem is that you have prominent politicians like Boris Johnson convincing these idiots they are untouchable because cycling is the best mode of transport and lots of them have taken that to mean they have somehow been exempted from the rules of the road. You also have almost every cycling group resisting all calls for a competancy test to prove you understand the rules and are safe for themselves and everyone else and none of them can supply a good argument against it either. They just use the old “we’re the most vulnerable. The driver needs to take more care” excuse. Its a bit like a leftie shouting “racist” when theyre losing an argument about immigration. Its a debate stopper.
And when there is so little ways of finding these idiots after the fact combined with a poor police presence making catching them in the act at the time almost impossible then they will continue to ride as they please, comfortable in the knowledge that they will always get away with it. This video and their attitude to the incident and why it happened proves how far gone their thinking is and itll only get worse till a politician somewhere stops worrying about the cyclist vote and takes some sort of action but im not holding my breath
The influence of the cycling lobby is just another example of a vocal minority tail wagging the dog. Government petition anyone?
Bluey Circles:
But did the lorry driver know what the cyclists were going to do? He would certainly have known they were to his left in the left turning lane, and he must have been aware some of those had decided to come from the left turning position to force their way in front of him into his lane, so why was he not more careful? Just because someone is getting it wrong (either accidentally or wilfully) should not be an excuse to take risks with any vehicle let alone a lorry. I think a more experienced and careful driver would have anticipated better and allowed the cyclists to get on with their stupidity.I think the big problem here is the lack of enforcement of road laws, the police should be dealing with these situations and cyclist riding like that should be fined, I would have the law changed so what you do on a bike could attract penalty points on your driving licence, 3 points on their driving licences would soon change attitudes as the vast amount of cyclists also drive.
I have some sympathy with the first paragraph, he certainly knew there had been cyclists there because they had gone ahead from the left lane and he should have seen them coming up on the left when he was at the lights. But the answer is that either he sits at the lights until he’s sure they are clear ( if every truck did that, then London would be at even more of a standstill 
) or as you say in the second paragraph, road laws were actually enforced. The cyclists were wrong, that’s plain and simple and as ever, I’ve no patience when people whinge on abour can the trucker not see the cyclist. The answer is invariably can the cyclist not see the truck - one is bigger than the other after all.
Personal responsibilty for your own neck doesn’t compute when you’ve been conditioned to be positively discriminated for and therefore untouchable/entitled/protected, we’ve seen that attitude in other walks of modern life, hopefully they’re heading for a realisation too 
Those two special cases, camera twerp and the other half wit who tried to fight it out with an artic, i ask you, displayed and voiced or all to see what has gone wrong, they truly believed …cos it’s London 
, dump that it is…that whatever they did they were untouchable safe could do exactly as they pleased like spoiled brat z list celebs, like Moses they could part the traffic and in their natural arrogance those less entitled less important would mentally doff their caps as those more equal than others took their rightful places.
Had there been a war to fight or a proper days manual work waiting 1/2 a mile down the road, our lorry mate would have been waved knowingly on by those selfish arrogant fools.
Interesting the comments on Youtube, an overwhelming condemnation by other cyclists.
albion:
Bluey Circles:
But did the lorry driver know what the cyclists were going to do? He would certainly have known they were to his left in the left turning lane, and he must have been aware some of those had decided to come from the left turning position to force their way in front of him into his lane, so why was he not more careful? Just because someone is getting it wrong (either accidentally or wilfully) should not be an excuse to take risks with any vehicle let alone a lorry. I think a more experienced and careful driver would have anticipated better and allowed the cyclists to get on with their stupidity.I think the big problem here is the lack of enforcement of road laws, the police should be dealing with these situations and cyclist riding like that should be fined, I would have the law changed so what you do on a bike could attract penalty points on your driving licence, 3 points on their driving licences would soon change attitudes as the vast amount of cyclists also drive.
I have some sympathy with the first paragraph, he certainly knew there had been cyclists there because they had gone ahead from the left lane and he should have seen them coming up on the left when he was at the lights. But the answer is that either he sits at the lights until he’s sure they are clear ( if every truck did that, then London would be at even more of a standstill
I would agree that there is possibly some criticism of the driver regarding that point, however he is required to maintain ALL ROUND observation which not only includes looking where he is going - ahead - but also what is happenning on his offside. By the time of the collision he has already been overtaken by one van on his offside, a driver will have been concerned about overtaking traffic on his offside as well, particularly motorbikes at a point where he is heading slightly to his right anyway. He cannot only drive looking in his nearside mirrors. It is only the female cyclist in the yellow helmet who even seems aware of the potential danger. Mr cameraman is more interested in keeping up with the others and his filming.
I don’t think we are disagreeing cav. Raymondo can probably tell us, but if I’m not mistaken in maritime law, the smaller vessel has to give way to the larger vessel. Why on earth it isn’t that way for roads I don’t know. By it’s very definition a truck is harder to manoeuvre, easier to see from every other users perspective and harder to slow/bring to a halt. In other words, everyone else needs to give way and use their head instead of blindly waiting for someone else to do their thinking for them.
I think there was a point where if he continued to check those near side mirrors he would have seen that the cyclists had gone past the point where they would be turning left. HOWEVER, he knew they were, in a left only lane. It’s London, he might have been watching someone to his offside or navigating or anything. As far as he was concerned they were there, but turning left, so he felt that was the end of it and didn’t to keep on and on checking those mirrors just in case the cyclist continued straight. I’m totally of the opinion cyclists at fault and as always trying to blame everyone else.
albion:
I don’t think we are disagreeing cav. Raymondo can probably tell us, but if I’m not mistaken in maritime law, the smaller vessel has to give way to the larger vessel. Why on earth it isn’t that way for roads I don’t know. .
In maritime law, larger vessels have right of way over smaller vessels, because of the reasons you mention ( amongst others), but that still does not allow a bigger vessel to ram a smaller vessel without taking avoiding action… 
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Mind you, if we take the maritime comparison, cyclists are only going to compare themselves with sail powered craft… which have priority over powered craft… 
I also think the drivers shouting and swearing is totally excused because end of the day if he’d have flattened that cyclist when it wasn’t his fault he’d have still have had that on his conscience. He did well to be so restrained I think.
if you’re a vulnerable road user you need to take responsibility for your safety by being aware of the dangers round you and anticipate the actions of other road users. That’s the attitude I have when I ride a motorbike and was told many years ago by an older, wiser and far more experienced biker, after I’d been knocked off my bike by a car.
When you drive a large vehicle you also have a lot of responsibility for the safety of those around you and drive defensively to avoid the idiots who have little understanding of the restrictions of your vehicle.
OK it’s not a perfect world, London more so, and we human so make mistakes, but if at least one person had been aware of the situation it would have never happened.
As for the excuse “It’s London” that’s not going to help much when you’ve been flattened by somebody who isn’t from London and doesn’t understand the special unpublished rules.
the nodding donkey:
albion:
I don’t think we are disagreeing cav. Raymondo can probably tell us, but if I’m not mistaken in maritime law, the smaller vessel has to give way to the larger vessel. Why on earth it isn’t that way for roads I don’t know. .In maritime law, larger vessels have right of way over smaller vessels, because of the reasons you mention ( amongst others), but that still does not allow a bigger vessel to ram a smaller vessel without taking avoiding action…
Mind you, if we take the maritime comparison, cyclists are only going to compare themselves with sail powered craft… which have priority over powered craft…
But isn’t a bicycle powered…?
TiredAndEmotional:
the nodding donkey:
albion:
I don’t think we are disagreeing cav. Raymondo can probably tell us, but if I’m not mistaken in maritime law, the smaller vessel has to give way to the larger vessel. Why on earth it isn’t that way for roads I don’t know. .In maritime law, larger vessels have right of way over smaller vessels, because of the reasons you mention ( amongst others), but that still does not allow a bigger vessel to ram a smaller vessel without taking avoiding action…
Mind you, if we take the maritime comparison, cyclists are only going to compare themselves with sail powered craft… which have priority over powered craft…But isn’t a bicycle powered…?
Mostly by hot air…
Why do we put up with this ■■■■?
London is a bollox place and deliveries should stop just outside the M25, lol.
Those cyclists should get a fine and points on their licence, if they have one.
Yorkysays:-:
Why do we put up with this [zb]?
London is a bollox place and deliveries should stop just outside the M25, lol.
Those cyclists should get a fine and points on their licence, if they have one.
I think that’s the heart of the problem. Cyclists know there’s no recourse against them. So some do what they like.
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IronEddie:
Yorkysays:-:
Why do we put up with this [zb]?
London is a bollox place and deliveries should stop just outside the M25, lol.
Those cyclists should get a fine and points on their licence, if they have one.I think that’s the heart of the problem. Cyclists know there’s no recourse against them. So some do what they like.
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Cyclists can actually be fined for traffic offences and points put on their licences if they have one. There just has to be the will to tackle their misdemeanours.