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Bewick:
We are defo veering way off piste this afternoon John :wink: I don’t think there was ever a Comet lettered as Furness Transport Ltd. There was a couple of Scammell 8 wheelers and a Handyman tractor unit and also an AEC MM. The single vehicle firm of Furness Road Services was an 8 wheeler Guy painted light blue with white roof,it belonged to a chap from Kendal (a Gentleman) called Jim Tolfrey who’s father was the Company Sec of Provincial Insurance. However, Gentleman Jim also had a full time job as Chauffer for the Chairman of Lakeland Laundries and he had a driver on the Guy which was on “A” licence and ran out of Barrow Steel. Jim bought the motor new in 1959 and I think it was reg’d FEC or FJM,can’t just remember! The driver was a great chap who I knew called Ernie Edwards who lived in Natland which is where the motor was parked up for good in late 1966 when Jim decided to cease operating at a moments notice. As it wasn’t far off Christmas apparently Mr. Tolfrey snr. had Ernie doing some decorating for him at his home over looking the river in town just to get him some wages over the period. In the event Ernie got a start at IBIS engineers and was there until he retired. Jim finally ended up driving an ERF 4 wheeler for Brailsfords on turf and rock for the years up to his retirement,he was very well spoken and always wore a cravat. He had a girlfriend from Esher or Ascot way who was apparently “loaded” and Jim spent his retirement years living down there prior to his passing.Phew Cheers Dennis.

Dennis, i have just found that picture of the Comet coming out of Barrow Iron Works and it is a Brady’s Waggon :blush: ,but it is nice to see your memory is spot on, sorry for that,Cheer’s Pete

John West:

Eddie Heaton:
I’ve come across Nodag on a few occasions on this forum John. I’ve been unable to figure out what it could stand for. Maybe you could explain.

Cheers. Eddie.

Hi Eddie,

NODAG was Northern Owner Drivers’ Associated Group. Started by Mike Conlong, with an office originally in Barrow and later at either Atherton or Walkden I can’t remember which. It included several owner drivers as directors and one or two with two or three motors each. It wasn’t a bad idea. Mike was a good salesman and very quickly got a lot of Middle East work. Pete Robbins, who had 2 motors was a member & I did my first trip for him to Damascus. There were a couple of guys from Wakefield and I ran down to Baghdad in their Daf with Paul Kerr from Chorley. Paul was a subby, not a member.

Mike reckoned that one of the biggest problems was that the ODs would go down to Saudi, but then do internals for months, with the trailers still on hire to NODAG. John McGuffie, whose original business Dennis bought, was involved at some point, but how exactly I can’t remember. I think Mike closed it down and went back to running his own trucks in the end.

John

Now you really are rattling my old brain cell John. I do recall that the late John McGuffie got involved with Middle East work after I bought out his UK business but I tended to keep clear of him after that :wink: However I do recall being at Malc Woodhouse’s on the Quay one day and Mr. McGoo (as we called him :sunglasses: ) rolled in and proceeded to regale us with his escape from jail after he had hit a donkey or Camel in Turkey he got locked up but he apparently bribed a guard and managed to do “a runner” as a stowaway on UK bound motor ! It wasn’t you that assisted a fugitive to flee was it ?I do believe his ME venture came to an abrupt halt with this episode. IIRC he had an F88 that had either been converted to a left ■■■■■■ or vise versa ! All hilarious stuff though,Cheers Dennis.

pete smith:

Bewick:
We are defo veering way off piste this afternoon John :wink: I don’t think there was ever a Comet lettered as Furness Transport Ltd. There was a couple of Scammell 8 wheelers and a Handyman tractor unit and also an AEC MM. The single vehicle firm of Furness Road Services was an 8 wheeler Guy painted light blue with white roof,it belonged to a chap from Kendal (a Gentleman) called Jim Tolfrey who’s father was the Company Sec of Provincial Insurance. However, Gentleman Jim also had a full time job as Chauffer for the Chairman of Lakeland Laundries and he had a driver on the Guy which was on “A” licence and ran out of Barrow Steel. Jim bought the motor new in 1959 and I think it was reg’d FEC or FJM,can’t just remember! The driver was a great chap who I knew called Ernie Edwards who lived in Natland which is where the motor was parked up for good in late 1966 when Jim decided to cease operating at a moments notice. As it wasn’t far off Christmas apparently Mr. Tolfrey snr. had Ernie doing some decorating for him at his home over looking the river in town just to get him some wages over the period. In the event Ernie got a start at IBIS engineers and was there until he retired. Jim finally ended up driving an ERF 4 wheeler for Brailsfords on turf and rock for the years up to his retirement,he was very well spoken and always wore a cravat. He had a girlfriend from Esher or Ascot way who was apparently “loaded” and Jim spent his retirement years living down there prior to his passing.Phew Cheers Dennis.

Dennis, i have just found that picture of the Comet coming out of Barrow Iron Works and it is a Brady’s Waggon :blush: ,but it is nice to see your memory is spot on, sorry for that,Cheer’s Pete

There is also one of a Furness Transport Scammell 8 wheeler exiting the Steel Works somewhere on the site Pete. Cheers Dennis.

Bewick:

John West:

Eddie Heaton:
I’ve come across Nodag on a few occasions on this forum John. I’ve been unable to figure out what it could stand for. Maybe you could explain.

Cheers. Eddie.

Hi Eddie,

NODAG was Northern Owner Drivers’ Associated Group. Started by Mike Conlong, with an office originally in Barrow and later at either Atherton or Walkden I can’t remember which. It included several owner drivers as directors and one or two with two or three motors each. It wasn’t a bad idea. Mike was a good salesman and very quickly got a lot of Middle East work. Pete Robbins, who had 2 motors was a member & I did my first trip for him to Damascus. There were a couple of guys from Wakefield and I ran down to Baghdad in their Daf with Paul Kerr from Chorley. Paul was a subby, not a member.

Mike reckoned that one of the biggest problems was that the ODs would go down to Saudi, but then do internals for months, with the trailers still on hire to NODAG. John McGuffie, whose original business Dennis bought, was involved at some point, but how exactly I can’t remember. I think Mike closed it down and went back to running his own trucks in the end.

John

Now you really are rattling my old brain cell John. I do recall that the late John McGuffie got involved with Middle East work after I bought out his UK business but I tended to keep clear of him after that :wink: However I do recall being at Malc Woodhouse’s on the Quay one day and Mr. McGoo (as we called him :sunglasses: ) rolled in and proceeded to regale us with his escape from jail after he had hit a donkey or Camel in Turkey he got locked up but he apparently bribed a guard and managed to do “a runner” as a stowaway on UK bound motor ! It wasn’t you that assisted a fugitive to flee was it ?I do believe his ME venture came to an abrupt halt with this episode. IIRC he had an F88 that had either been converted to a left ■■■■■■ or vise versa ! All hilarious stuff though,Cheers Dennis.

That rings a bell Dennis, I think he left the motor, the trailer and the load. I may be wrong, but I think NODAG had to pay for the load and the trailer, which left rather a large hole in the accounts for that year!

John

Bewick:
We are defo veering way off piste this afternoon John :wink: I don’t think there was ever a Comet lettered as Furness Transport Ltd. There was a couple of Scammell 8 wheelers and a Handyman tractor unit and also an AEC MM. The single vehicle firm of Furness Road Services was an 8 wheeler Guy painted light blue with white roof,it belonged to a chap from Kendal (a Gentleman) called Jim Tolfrey who’s father was the Company Sec of Provincial Insurance. However, Gentleman Jim also had a full time job as Chauffer for the Chairman of Lakeland Laundries and he had a driver on the Guy which was on “A” licence and ran out of Barrow Steel. Jim bought the motor new in 1959 and I think it was reg’d FEC or FJM,can’t just remember! The driver was a great chap who I knew called Ernie Edwards who lived in Natland which is where the motor was parked up for good in late 1966 when Jim decided to cease operating at a moments notice. As it wasn’t far off Christmas apparently Mr. Tolfrey snr. had Ernie doing some decorating for him at his home over looking the river in town just to get him some wages over the period. In the event Ernie got a start at IBIS engineers and was there until he retired. Jim finally ended up driving an ERF 4 wheeler for Brailsfords on turf and rock for the years up to his retirement,he was very well spoken and always wore a cravat. He had a girlfriend from Esher or Ascot way who was apparently “loaded” and Jim spent his retirement years living down there prior to his passing.Phew Cheers Dennis.

No, I definitely don’t remember that motor. Our house was on Abbey road and I used to see all the trucks going by, but that one I missed.

John

John West:

Bewick:

John West:

Eddie Heaton:
I’ve come across Nodag on a few occasions on this forum John. I’ve been unable to figure out what it could stand for. Maybe you could explain.

Cheers. Eddie.

Hi Eddie,

NODAG was Northern Owner Drivers’ Associated Group. Started by Mike Conlong, with an office originally in Barrow and later at either Atherton or Walkden I can’t remember which. It included several owner drivers as directors and one or two with two or three motors each. It wasn’t a bad idea. Mike was a good salesman and very quickly got a lot of Middle East work. Pete Robbins, who had 2 motors was a member & I did my first trip for him to Damascus. There were a couple of guys from Wakefield and I ran down to Baghdad in their Daf with Paul Kerr from Chorley. Paul was a subby, not a member.

Mike reckoned that one of the biggest problems was that the ODs would go down to Saudi, but then do internals for months, with the trailers still on hire to NODAG. John McGuffie, whose original business Dennis bought, was involved at some point, but how exactly I can’t remember. I think Mike closed it down and went back to running his own trucks in the end.

John

Now you really are rattling my old brain cell John. I do recall that the late John McGuffie got involved with Middle East work after I bought out his UK business but I tended to keep clear of him after that :wink: However I do recall being at Malc Woodhouse’s on the Quay one day and Mr. McGoo (as we called him :sunglasses: ) rolled in and proceeded to regale us with his escape from jail after he had hit a donkey or Camel in Turkey he got locked up but he apparently bribed a guard and managed to do “a runner” as a stowaway on UK bound motor ! It wasn’t you that assisted a fugitive to flee was it ?I do believe his ME venture came to an abrupt halt with this episode. IIRC he had an F88 that had either been converted to a left ■■■■■■ or vise versa ! All hilarious stuff though,Cheers Dennis.

That rings a bell Dennis, I think he left the motor, the trailer and the load. I may be wrong, but I think NODAG had to pay for the load and the trailer, which left rather a large hole in the accounts for that year!

John

Now why do you not surprise me John :wink: The bloke was a walking disaster he really was and that is putting mildly ! Cheers Dennis.

Thanks for the explanation John. Hope you’re keeping o.k.

Cheers. Eddie.

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Leyland 680 will tell us all about Furness Transport and the motors Brady’s ran in FT livery ! Cheers Bewick.

The history of South ■■■■■■■■ haulage as described in the above posts is very informative and very interesting, please do keep it up.

Ingmire:
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Tidy sheeting and roping that one and the one in the background looks decent as well.Cheers Bewick.

Hi Dennis

There was never a Comet on Brady fleet with Furness Transport
wrote on it. But here is an Atkinson with F T wrote on it
Ok Mate. Frank

Leyland 680:
Hi Dennis

There was never a Comet on Brady fleet with Furness Transport
wrote on it. But here is an Atkinson with F T wrote on it
Ok Mate. Frank

That looks like the bottom end of Anson street, between Duke street and Walney road or Hindpool road - can’t remember where it splits now - after they built the flats, Frank. Odd to think that those two little ‘scallys’ will be about 50 now!

Was Athersmiths garage on Walney road or Hindpool road, or was that the corner where it changed?

John

It must have broken the Athersmith brothers hearts to see their lorries in Brady colours. I can remember my dad saying that Bill Athersmith had vowed never to sell out to the Bradys.

But I guess at the end of the day, there was no one else big enough at the time to buy them out.

John.

John West:
It must have broken the Athersmith brothers hearts to see their lorries in Brady colours. I can remember my dad saying that Bill Athersmith had vowed never to sell out to the Bradys.

But I guess at the end of the day, there was no one else big enough at the time to buy them out.

John.

Well if I may say so, It could have been a lot worse, Brady IMO Were a good haulage firm, Also IMO Way better than the green Elves lot, Regards ;Larry.

Hi John
Think Athersmith was the last part of Hindpool Rd but this road looks to narrow to be there
I think this was nobby clark motor at the time ■■? And he lived at Grange so this my be Grange
Then again John it could be any were Frank

Lawrence Dunbar:

John West:
It must have broken the Athersmith brothers hearts to see their lorries in Brady colours. I can remember my dad saying that Bill Athersmith had vowed never to sell out to the Bradys.

But I guess at the end of the day, there was no one else big enough at the time to buy them out.

John.

Well if I may say so, It could have been a lot worse, Brady IMO Were a good haulage firm, Also IMO Way better than the green Elves lot, Regards ;Larry.

Sic transit gloriae mundi as they say Larry.

When I would go down to London in 1970 Bradys were like the green elves are now - you would be waving to one every 10 minutes.

I also remember the new inspector for the ‘Monastery’ at the test centre at Barrow bus depot (remember the chewits advert - ‘chewier than Barrow Bus Depot’) and saying to him ‘how have you found Brady’s?’ And him replying ‘Well everyone warned me about them, but their fleet is clean, tidy and well maintained’.

I think they were badly advised by the money men at the end. They had a couple of hard blows. They lost British Gypsum at Kirkby Thore and Robert Mcbride at almost the same time.

Apparently, the story is that Mcbrides were having a bad time with their haulage nationwide and asked Steady Eddie to quote. During the discussion they said ‘leave Barrow out of this, we’re happy with Brady’s and Shaws (of Lindale)’ and the reply was ‘oh no, all or nothing’ .

So both Bradys and Shaws lost it. Shaws is now a BMW/Mini garage.

‘Young’ Bob is about the same age as me, late sixties and I don’t suppose he’s hurting too much I think he still has the DB7, and they’re still in the same yard where the hoop works used to be, doing storage and letting out buildings to other firms. It’s sad not to see a yard full of trucks though!

However, what goes around comes around and at the end of the day Mr Tinkler will sell when the price is right and, like all the others it will be absorbed into someone else!

This is of course only my personal opinion.

John.

Leyland 680:
Hi John
Think Athersmith was the last part of Hindpool Rd but this road looks to narrow to be there
I think this was nobby clark motor at the time ■■? And he lived at Grange so this my be Grange
Then again John it could be any were Frank

Hiya Frank,

When we were young, Anson street ran from Blake street to (I think) Hindpool road. Then they demolished the Scotch Buildings and everything around there, and Anson street became part walkway and still part road I think - I’d have to go and have a look at it to be sure. The flats in the background look like the ones that are there now and it would have been near enough to Bradys to park up. I could be wrong - my wife tells me I usually am!

John

I don’t believe that Billy Athersmith was bothered about selling out to Brady’s at the end because their main customer Barrow Paper Mills had decided to close and this fact was not disclosed to Jack and the Big’un but then again they weren’t bothered as it was a matter of pride that they finally took Athersmiths over,and it was over 12 months before The Big’un finally plucked up courage to ask Jack how much they paid for Athersmith Bros. and this anecdote had Jack chuckling for a few years after ! But Athersmiths had been “running” down for a number of years prior to Brady’s taking over in the early 70’s,the Athersmith fleet was totally out dated apart from a few H and G reg’d Seddon 32/4’s,they didn’t have any 40ft trailers and those tandems they did run were mainly older 30ft Bodens so apart from a fairly newish Garage and traffic out of Cairds Iron Works their wasn’t much long term prospects for Athersmiths.But Brady’s kept their name going for years after by lettering the Athersmith Bros name onto numerous tractor units into the 90’s.Cheers Bewick.

Leyland 680:
Hi Dennis

There was never a Comet on Brady fleet with Furness Transport
wrote on it. But here is an Atkinson with F T wrote on it
Ok Mate. Frank

Great shot that mate !! They bought six of these rear steers after they cancelled the six Mammouth Minors when Nobby’s AEC Ergo Mandator gave all that trouble with over heating problems if you recall. What did you reckon to those Atkis mate ? Cheers Dennis.