CPC

[scaniaultimate]

Conor:
…Go to any DCPC module on EU drivers hours regs and you’ll have a room full of drivers bleating on about how it’s all crap and they don’t need teaching to ■■■■ eggs and then when it comes to questions and answers all but a handful will get answers wrong…

True, & I suggest the DCPC system is incapable of teaching the Driver’s Hours Rules. Hence the reason even after the day’s course they are unable to answer the questions.
The course providers are not taught the very detailed Driver’s Hours Rules as a specialist subject & are not taught how to teach.
They therefore often only have a working knowledge, like most drivers, & even if they know the rules well, they have no idea of how to teach the complexities of the rules in a way that can make them fully understood by their pupils. Knowing a subject & teaching it are different areas of expertise.

To start learning the rules from scratch is a very long subject & takes some time to understand.
There should be a starter course & a refresher course to make sure the newcomers spend enough time on the basics whilst also ensuring the experienced don’t fall asleep hearing about 45 minute break splitting again & again.

[d_thompson]

Why not, my 1st driving job was in an artic.

Well round here you have more chance of biting your arse than walking straight into an artic job it just doesn’t happen and i would be gobsmacked if i found out this is the norm elsewhere.

Because you don’t want drivers to have higher wages and want to scrap the dcpc which would have a negative impact on wages, strange view for a driver

I started the thread to discuss DCPC and its relevance for experienced drivers and the total unnecessary amount of hours you have to sit there listening to this stuff just to tick a box, 4 hours a day would be more than enough, the thread has now moved totally off topic and has become about wages, i never said i do not want drivers to get better wages what i do not want is the driver shortage to carry on indefinitely and become much __*__worse which it is going to if retired drivers are not allowed back using a temporary shortcut (no DCPC) as most companies will not allow new drivers to drive artics, if this is the case with most firms the scaremongering over empty shelves and medical supplies you mentioned is going to become a fact, that is not something i want to see happening any time soon.

__*__This sums it up perfectly -

we will never really have enough people wanting to be drivers to fulfil modern societies insatiable appetite for convenience & throwaway goods? Filling 100,000 vacancies looks like a pipe dream to me no matter how much cash you throw at wages.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=169830

And another brilliant post about the shortage -

Terry T wrote:

The point we’re at now started a few decades ago IMO. I first climbed into a truck aged 6 in 1986 and I’ve been in and out of them since that day. Can’t say when that all stopped exactly but nowadays taking your kids with you on runs is very much unheard of. I imagine many of us on here got into this industry in this way.

Then came along the in cab phones, trackers and worst of all, driver facing cameras. Not to mention EU driving rules increasing the max working day to 15 hours.

Oh and did I forget the 24/7 shopping, next day delivery lifestyle we created for ourselves. Artics running 200 mile from one amazon depot to another on a Sunday night with 2 pallets on coz of the oh so important parcels on the back which must be delivered tomorrow or the world will end.

Went to an RDC last week and when I asked about the toilet I was directed to a portaloo. And they want more women in the industry. Yeah right.

Why would a young person put themselves forward for all this. When I say it out loud I wonder why I do it myself. I guess mostly coz I foolishly left school with nothing worth shouting about and I can’t be arsed to do anything about it and I can’t earn this money anywhere else.

Kids are at school till 18 these days and have more options. I imagine truck driving is pretty low down.

[fuse]

scrap it but it is a nice little earner …for some ,same as FORS I think they make more money than the haulier doing the job.scrap them all along with all the other two penny halfpenny cards dished up by big companies that all stop drivers working unless the pay up …bit like the mafia

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

Why not, my 1st driving job was in an artic.

Well round here you have more chance of biting your arse than walking straight into an artic job it just doesn’t happen and i would be gobsmacked if i found out this is the norm elsewhere.

Because you don’t want drivers to have higher wages and want to scrap the dcpc which would have a negative impact on wages, strange view for a driver

I started the thread to discuss DCPC and its relevance for experienced drivers and the total unnecessary amount of hours you have to sit there listening to this stuff just to tick a box, 4 hours a day would be more than enough, the thread has now moved totally off topic and has become about wages, i never said i do not want drivers to get better wages what i do not want is the driver shortage to carry on indefinitely and become much __*__worse which it is going to if retired drivers are not allowed back using a temporary shortcut (no DCPC) as most companies will not allow new drivers to drive artics, if this is the case with most firms the scaremongering over empty shelves and medical supplies you mentioned is going to become a fact, that is not something i want to see happening any time soon.

__*__This sums it up perfectly -

we will never really have enough people wanting to be drivers to fulfil modern societies insatiable appetite for convenience & throwaway goods? Filling 100,000 vacancies looks like a pipe dream to me no matter how much cash you throw at wages.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=169830

And another brilliant post about the shortage -

Terry T wrote:

The point we’re at now started a few decades ago IMO. I first climbed into a truck aged 6 in 1986 and I’ve been in and out of them since that day. Can’t say when that all stopped exactly but nowadays taking your kids with you on runs is very much unheard of. I imagine many of us on here got into this industry in this way.

Then came along the in cab phones, trackers and worst of all, driver facing cameras. Not to mention EU driving rules increasing the max working day to 15 hours.

Oh and did I forget the 24/7 shopping, next day delivery lifestyle we created for ourselves. Artics running 200 mile from one amazon depot to another on a Sunday night with 2 pallets on coz of the oh so important parcels on the back which must be delivered tomorrow or the world will end.

Went to an RDC last week and when I asked about the toilet I was directed to a portaloo. And they want more women in the industry. Yeah right.

Why would a young person put themselves forward for all this. When I say it out loud I wonder why I do it myself. I guess mostly coz I foolishly left school with nothing worth shouting about and I can’t be arsed to do anything about it and I can’t earn this money anywhere else.

Kids are at school till 18 these days and have more options. I imagine truck driving is pretty low down.

I’m in a low pay area, but I stopped looking once I’d found 3 jobs offering 50k potential that will take new pass drivers, there is also 2 firms who will pay for you to go from car to class 1 both in the 40k bracket.

Experience drivers, still in the majority are clueless on the regs.

It’s 7 hours per year, hardly crazy.

You can’t separate them though, to scrap the dcpc will have a negative impact on wages.

There isn’t a driver shortage, there’s 600k qualified drivers that don’t drive to earn their living, Google it, 80k of them have a dcpc, there isn’t a driver shortage.

Times change, we don’t stand still, I think it’s great I can be lying in bed at 2230 and order something off Amazon that’ll turn up the next day, if a driver doesn’t want to work a Sunday night night shift with 2 pallets in the back, why that makes any difference I don’t know, then don’t, there’s loads of jobs out there to choose from on mega money, what’s not to love?!

I take my kids with me in this job and in my last job.

The dude is moaning but says it’s offering the best deal for him, didn’t I mention something about that earlier!

[d_thompson]

There isn’t a driver shortage, there’s 600k qualified drivers that don’t drive to earn their living, Google it, 80k of them have a dcpc, there isn’t a driver shortage.

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process?

HGV driver shortage was inevitable

A culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price, has led to the crisis in road transport, says Richard Simpson

As a former editor of Trucking magazine, I can only say that the shortage of truck drivers has been a long time coming (HGV driver shortages could ‘cancel’ Christmas, warns Iceland boss, 25 August).

Road transport shares with the social care industry an enduring culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price. Both transport and care are now dominated by agencies, which seem to do little for the pounds of flesh that they extract from staff and clients. Unsurprisingly, people prefer to earn a living in other ways.

There are about 600,000 people holding LGV cat C (rigid truck) or cat C+E (articulated lorry) licences in the UK who do not currently drive trucks for a living. Why would they want to return to the job? Facilities are poor, the hours brutal and the responsibilities onerous. And these are only going to get worse.

The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

Richard Simpson

Launceston, Cornwall

theguardian.com/world/2021/ … inevitable

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

There isn’t a driver shortage, there’s 600k qualified drivers that don’t drive to earn their living, Google it, 80k of them have a dcpc, there isn’t a driver shortage.

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process?

HGV driver shortage was inevitable

A culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price, has led to the crisis in road transport, says Richard Simpson

As a former editor of Trucking magazine, I can only say that the shortage of truck drivers has been a long time coming (HGV driver shortages could ‘cancel’ Christmas, warns Iceland boss, 25 August).

Road transport shares with the social care industry an enduring culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price. Both transport and care are now dominated by agencies, which seem to do little for the pounds of flesh that they extract from staff and clients. Unsurprisingly, people prefer to earn a living in other ways.

There are about 600,000 people holding LGV cat C (rigid truck) or cat C+E (articulated lorry) licences in the UK who do not currently drive trucks for a living. Why would they want to return to the job? Facilities are poor, the hours brutal and the responsibilities onerous. And these are only going to get worse.

The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

Richard Simpson

Launceston, Cornwall

theguardian.com/world/2021/ … inevitable

How can you have a shortage of drivers when there’s 600k of them that are choosing to do something else because they are getting a better deal?

That clearly means there isn’t a shortage, even if you took the RHA figure of 100k that they won’t believe themselves unless the completely stupid, then there’s 6 times the amount required drivers, that can not be considered a shortage.

The problem is the terms and conditions, thought i better write it in full this time! Aren’t good enough to entice them.

The law of supply and demand dictates that if demand is exceeding supply then the price goes up until the balance is met, simple concept, I really don’t understand why you’re struggling with it?

If you can’t get a plumber in your area, then the price plumber charge will go up, when I bought a house in the recession 11 years ago, the solicitor was charging half what they previously had been as there were more supply of solicitors than house moves needed.

Nowt wrong with agencies, if they did nothing for their money as some would have you believe, then they wouldn’t exist. But they do, because they do.

Why are you anti wage rise, it’s strange.

[truckerguy]

The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

As a mere car driver (for now) I completely agree. How many cyclists have been killed because they were STUPID to get alongside a vehicle that was turning? They died due to their own stupidity, but sadly the PC world in which we live doesn’t allow us to say so.

It’s the same PC world that now sees idiots riding scooters any place they like without consequence, but diety help anyone driving a motor vehicle who hits them while they’re being morons.

[d_thompson]

stevieboy308:

D.Thompson:

There isn’t a driver shortage, there’s 600k qualified drivers that don’t drive to earn their living, Google it, 80k of them have a dcpc, there isn’t a driver shortage.

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process?

HGV driver shortage was inevitable

A culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price, has led to the crisis in road transport, says Richard Simpson

As a former editor of Trucking magazine, I can only say that the shortage of truck drivers has been a long time coming (HGV driver shortages could ‘cancel’ Christmas, warns Iceland boss, 25 August).

Road transport shares with the social care industry an enduring culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price. Both transport and care are now dominated by agencies, which seem to do little for the pounds of flesh that they extract from staff and clients. Unsurprisingly, people prefer to earn a living in other ways.

There are about 600,000 people holding LGV cat C (rigid truck) or cat C+E (articulated lorry) licences in the UK who do not currently drive trucks for a living. Why would they want to return to the job? Facilities are poor, the hours brutal and the responsibilities onerous. And these are only going to get worse.

The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

Richard Simpson

Launceston, Cornwall

theguardian.com/world/2021/ … inevitable

How can you have a shortage of drivers when there’s 600k of them that are choosing to do something else because they are getting a better deal?

That clearly means there isn’t a shortage, even if you took the RHA figure of 100k that they won’t believe themselves unless the completely stupid, then there’s 6 times the amount required drivers, that can not be considered a shortage.

The problem is the terms and conditions, thought i better write it in full this time! Aren’t good enough to entice them.

The law of supply and demand dictates that if demand is exceeding supply then the price goes up until the balance is met, simple concept, I really don’t understand why you’re struggling with it?

If you can’t get a plumber in your area, then the price plumber charge will go up, when I bought a house in the recession 11 years ago, the solicitor was charging half what they previously had been as there were more supply of solicitors than house moves needed.

Nowt wrong with agencies, if they did nothing for their money as some would have you believe, then they wouldn’t exist. But they do, because they do.

Why are you anti wage rise, it’s strange.

Try reading my post again then answer the question instead of repeating the same think over and over-

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process.

You say agencies are a good thing so I ask again -
How are you going to get better wages, facilities and reduced hours if agencies continue to dominate recruitment in the industry, as had been said they want their pound of flesh,

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

stevieboy308:

D.Thompson:

There isn’t a driver shortage, there’s 600k qualified drivers that don’t drive to earn their living, Google it, 80k of them have a dcpc, there isn’t a driver shortage.

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process?

HGV driver shortage was inevitable

A culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price, has led to the crisis in road transport, says Richard Simpson

As a former editor of Trucking magazine, I can only say that the shortage of truck drivers has been a long time coming (HGV driver shortages could ‘cancel’ Christmas, warns Iceland boss, 25 August).

Road transport shares with the social care industry an enduring culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price. Both transport and care are now dominated by agencies, which seem to do little for the pounds of flesh that they extract from staff and clients. Unsurprisingly, people prefer to earn a living in other ways.

There are about 600,000 people holding LGV cat C (rigid truck) or cat C+E (articulated lorry) licences in the UK who do not currently drive trucks for a living. Why would they want to return to the job? Facilities are poor, the hours brutal and the responsibilities onerous. And these are only going to get worse.

The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

Richard Simpson

Launceston, Cornwall

theguardian.com/world/2021/ … inevitable

How can you have a shortage of drivers when there’s 600k of them that are choosing to do something else because they are getting a better deal?

That clearly means there isn’t a shortage, even if you took the RHA figure of 100k that they won’t believe themselves unless the completely stupid, then there’s 6 times the amount required drivers, that can not be considered a shortage.

The problem is the terms and conditions, thought i better write it in full this time! Aren’t good enough to entice them.

The law of supply and demand dictates that if demand is exceeding supply then the price goes up until the balance is met, simple concept, I really don’t understand why you’re struggling with it?

If you can’t get a plumber in your area, then the price plumber charge will go up, when I bought a house in the recession 11 years ago, the solicitor was charging half what they previously had been as there were more supply of solicitors than house moves needed.

Nowt wrong with agencies, if they did nothing for their money as some would have you believe, then they wouldn’t exist. But they do, because they do.

Why are you anti wage rise, it’s strange.

Try reading my post again then answer the question instead of repeating the same think over and over-

While i agree there is not a shortage of potential drivers there is a shortage of drivers driving or willing to drive as Richard Smith says below the industry is dominated by agencies taking their pound of flesh how are you going to force change and get better facilities, reduce hours and get more money in the process

I’ve read it again, and the answer is the same.

Do I need to say it again? Probably!

I don’t need to do anything, why would I, why is it up to me?

If companies haven’t got enough drivers, then they will do what they are currently doing, putting the money up, offering flexible shifts / pick your days, taking car drivers and putting them through their tests, better spec’d vehicles.

That is supply and demand at work, that is the market at work.

If we have more than enough drivers, then as you accept, we can not have a shortage of drivers, that’s a fact, so what we have is some companies not having good enough T&C’s to attract those drivers from what they are currently doing, this problem is fixed by bettering the T&C’s.

Agencies have their place, they provide a service, if they didn’t their business model wouldn’t work.

[wheelsofcardiff]

12 hours on full pay doing nothing.Our mob actually drive us to our training school.Better than sitting in traffic.

[d_thompson]

If companies haven’t got enough drivers, then they will do what they are currently doing, putting the money up, offering flexible shifts / pick your days, taking car drivers and putting them through their tests, better spec’d vehicles.

No what will happen is agencys who as it has been stated provide a huge number of drivers will find desperate drivers who will accept the current wages and nothing will change apart from more companies will use them.

Have you noticed a distinct lack of agreement from fellow drivers in this thread for your thoughts on the subject of wages surely if it was this simple drivers would be buzzing thinking about all the new things they can spend their new found wealth on.

Keep living the dream!

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

If companies haven’t got enough drivers, then they will do what they are currently doing, putting the money up, offering flexible shifts / pick your days, taking car drivers and putting them through their tests, better spec’d vehicles.

No what will happen is agencys who as it has been stated provide a huge number of drivers will find desperate drivers who will accept the current wages and nothing will change apart from more companies will use them.

Have you noticed a distinct lack of agreement from fellow drivers in this thread for your thoughts on the subject of wages surely if it was this simple drivers would be buzzing thinking about all the new things they can spend their new found wealth on.

Keep living the dream!

Are you really telling me wages aren’t going up? You can’t be.

There aren’t desperate drivers chasing work, there are desperate firm and desperate agencys chasing drivers

Again that is why wages are going up.

Why don’t you put another poll up, are wages going up? But you know you’ll get the same outcome as you’re last poll, I’m saying it how it is

[d_thompson]

Why don’t you put another poll up, are wages going up? But you know you’ll get the same outcome as you’re last poll, I’m saying it how it is

You mean the poll where the winning option so far is the one that states -
New drivers are not allowed out in artics until they have been mentored and feel comfortable driving them, your point is?
I assume you stuck with the first option which is in second place - having posted “there is also 2 firms who will pay for you to go from car to class 1”

There aren’t desperate drivers chasing work, there are desperate firm and desperate agencys chasing drivers

So if there are no desperate drivers chasing work why did you make such a fuss about my suggestion to stop DCPC to let these driver back into the industry to alleviate the __*__current shortage, you said these same drivers would basically stop the shortage meaning you wouldn’t get your wage rise? you need to stop moving the goal posts!

* Not a driver shortage a shortage of drivers willing to come back to the job (before you start with the “there isn’t a driver shortage angle” again.)

Are you really telling me wages aren’t going up? You can’t be.

While there is a shortage obviously firms that can afford it will pay more but for a lot of drivers its not just about pay (i refer you yo Terrys post below) will it be enough to encourage drivers who have left for reasons other than pay (as Terry discusses below)to come back i doubt it as for new drivers i dread to think what will happen if this carries on and all these newly qualified drivers turn up on day one and take an artic out with no mentoring (firms like you and the 8 other members know in the poll)

Terry T wrote:

The point we’re at now started a few decades ago IMO. I first climbed into a truck aged 6 in 1986 and I’ve been in and out of them since that day. Can’t say when that all stopped exactly but nowadays taking your kids with you on runs is very much unheard of. I imagine many of us on here got into this industry in this way.

Then came along the in cab phones, trackers and worst of all, driver facing cameras. Not to mention EU driving rules increasing the max working day to 15 hours.

Oh and did I forget the 24/7 shopping, next day delivery lifestyle we created for ourselves. Artics running 200 mile from one amazon depot to another on a Sunday night with 2 pallets on coz of the oh so important parcels on the back which must be delivered tomorrow or the world will end.

Went to an RDC last week and when I asked about the toilet I was directed to a portaloo. And they want more women in the industry. Yeah right.

Why would a young person put themselves forward for all this. When I say it out loud I wonder why I do it myself. I guess mostly coz I foolishly left school with nothing worth shouting about and I can’t be arsed to do anything about it and I can’t earn this money anywhere else.
Kids are at school till 18 these days and have more options. I imagine truck driving is pretty low down.

[zac_a]

ScaniaUltimate:

Conor:
…Go to any DCPC module on EU drivers hours regs and you’ll have a room full of drivers bleating on about how it’s all crap and they don’t need teaching to ■■■■ eggs and then when it comes to questions and answers all but a handful will get answers wrong…

True, & I suggest the DCPC system is incapable of teaching the Driver’s Hours Rules. Hence the reason even after the day’s course they are unable to answer the questions.
The course providers are not taught the very detailed Driver’s Hours Rules as a specialist subject & are not taught how to teach.
They therefore often only have a working knowledge, like most drivers, & even if they know the rules well, they have no idea of how to teach the complexities of the rules in a way that can make them fully understood by their pupils. Knowing a subject & teaching it are different areas of expertise.

Blimey! that’s a massive generalisation. As I’ve said many times, different training providers, different course content and quality.

Yes there are some people who should not be teaching this subject, some who don’t make any effort to make it interesting, but the place where I send drivers to have some very good trainers; one is a hugely experienced external TM with several years of experience, plus he also wrote a drivers instruction booklet on the subject, another is a TM and experienced driver of 20 years experience, and the other has about 30 years of experience as a driver and driver-trainer. I’m quite satisfied all these guys “know their onions”

[zac_a]

D.Thompson:
So if there are no desperate drivers chasing work why did you make such a fuss about my suggestion to stop DCPC to let these driver back into the industry to alleviate the __*__current shortage,

That’s just one of the ways where the guy with the petition went wrong, there’s no evidence to show that DCPC has led to the driver shortage, that’s just unsubstantiated opinion, and linking the two things is how it can be easily dismissed out of hand, even if it did manage to get to 10,000 votes, which I doubt is even remotely likely.

Are you aware this has been tried on multiple occasions?
2014
petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/65155
2016
petition.parliament.uk/archived … ons/136693

And so on and so forth…
you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ … pc-renewal
change.org/p/scrap-the-driver-cpc
change.org/p/theresa-may-mp … driver-cpc
parallelparliament.co.uk/pe … -emergency

[d_thompson]

That’s just one of the ways where the guy with the petition went wrong, there’s no evidence to show that DCPC has led to the driver shortage, that’s just unsubstantiated

He said -

“Scrapping the CPC requirement will enable LGV license holders to return to driving who currently cannot do so due to not having a DCPC”

which makes perfect sense.

He also said -

“The scheme never fulfilled the promises made when it was introduced and has exacerbated the driver shortage to the point that the economy will suffer, it’s time now to rethink this poorly thought out legislation that caused a large exodus of drivers”

Which is obviously an exaggeration but there will be many drivers for who along with poor working conditions, long hours and low pay find DCPC just another nail in the coffin when thinking of leaving the industry.

.

Government and the Department for transport need to remove the requirement for a driver to hold a DCPC also known as drivers certificate of professional competence, this has been required since 2009.

The RHA and FTA I’ve been asking the government to help the haulage industry with the driver shortage, scrapping the CPC requirement will enable LGV license holders to return to driving who currently cannot do so due to not having a DCPC, The scheme never fulfilled the promises made when it was introduced and has exacerbated the driver shortage to the point that the economy will suffer, it’s time now to rethink this poorly thought out legislation that caused a large exodus of drivers.

[stevieboy308]

Yeah that’s it, your poll that is currently at 82% of firms will take on new passes with no experience to drive an artic.

So park your straw man argument / get out of jail card, but some will send them out with someone else 1st, so, I went out with someone for a day and a half then followed him or just went by myself for the 2nd half of the shift, I can’t remember. Either way, your poll, that is your poll is currently saying 82% will take on a new pass to drive an artic, most would give further training before being allowed out by themselves, but they will take on new passes to drive an artic.

So my point is, no shocker to me, but you were wrong when you said

“as new drivers won’t be driving artics the moment they get their licence,”

Your poll says you’re wrong.

How am I moving the goal posts?

firms and agencies chasing drivers means the wages goes up, you want to add to the pool of drivers by scrapping the dcpc, this will lead to reduced wages, remember supply and demand you’ve learnt about, if you increase the supply of drivers then the price will go down. I want the money to go up and or conditions to entice people to say it’s now worth me coming back or doing the dcpc so I can come back.

Terry is still doing it despite his moan, yes increasing the wages will bring in more people to the pool of drivers, both returning drivers and new drivers who may get a job driving and artic as their 1st job! That is a fact, some people wouldn’t come back if the wages were 100 or 200k but I don’t think wages would need to get anywhere near there before there’s enough drivers driving

I never said I didn’t get any mentoring, I said my 1st job was driving an artic, either way the government think they are perfectly safe to go out by themselves, the guy showing me wasn’t teaching me to drive, it was mainly about the paperwork, how to use a tail lift, just a general what to do for that particular job and of course some pointers. I think he did all the driving.

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

That’s just one of the ways where the guy with the petition went wrong, there’s no evidence to show that DCPC has led to the driver shortage, that’s just unsubstantiated

He said -

“Scrapping the CPC requirement will enable LGV license holders to return to driving who currently cannot do so due to not having a DCPC”

which makes perfect sense.

He also said -

“The scheme never fulfilled the promises made when it was introduced and has exacerbated the driver shortage to the point that the economy will suffer, it’s time now to rethink this poorly thought out legislation that caused a large exodus of drivers”

Which is obviously an exaggeration but there will be many drivers for who along with poor working conditions, long hours and low pay find DCPC just another nail in the coffin when thinking of leaving the industry.

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Government and the Department for transport need to remove the requirement for a driver to hold a DCPC also known as drivers certificate of professional competence, this has been required since 2009.

The RHA and FTA I’ve been asking the government to help the haulage industry with the driver shortage, scrapping the CPC requirement will enable LGV license holders to return to driving who currently cannot do so due to not having a DCPC, The scheme never fulfilled the promises made when it was introduced and has exacerbated the driver shortage to the point that the economy will suffer, it’s time now to rethink this poorly thought out legislation that caused a large exodus of drivers.

The RHA and FTA are not your friend, they represent the haulier, they want an over supply of drivers to keep wages low, and you’re agreeing with them, wake up man.

[d_thompson]

The RHA and FTA are not your friend, they represent the haulier, they want an over supply of drivers to keep wages low, and you’re agreeing with them, wake up man.

Wow i have my own forum stalker change the ■■■■■■■ record.

[stevieboy308]

D.Thompson:

The RHA and FTA are not your friend, they represent the haulier, they want an over supply of drivers to keep wages low, and you’re agreeing with them, wake up man.

Wow i have my own forum stalker change the [zb] record.

Dude seriously, stalking you… I think you’re starting to believe your own ■■■■■■■■

You can’t see the wood for the trees, a driver wanting to bring an end to the current wages rises.

You’re either a gaffer trying to ■■■■ a few in or are you jealous if the ones getting the wage rises and want it to end because you’re not worthy?

Think it through, you want to end the shortage, you want lower wages, hope your doors don’t fall off your car any time soon