I work as a night trunker 5 nights a week. My week starts about 6.00pm on Monday evening , then working approximatly 12 hours per shift for 5 shifts and finishing my week at 6.00am on Saturday morning . My company has arranged for me to attend CPC Training on a Sunday between the hours of 8.00am and 16.00 , and i am then expected to return to work again on Monday at 6.00pm.
This will mean i will have attended work / work related training for 13 consecutive calender days with only one break of 26 hours between Saturday morning and Sunday morning and another 26 hours between Sunday afternoon and Monday evening. Whilst attending the training on Sunday i will be inserting my tacho card into a vehicle because under WTD Rules training associated with work is to be included in the weekly working time total. Bearing this in mind is what i am being asked to do legal ■■
as the reduced has to be repaid en-bloc you will need a 62 hr break one weekend (before the end of the 3rd week), because you won’t have have enough time added to a 9 hr (i.e second 26 hr break) as you require 19 hrs pay back and 9 off of 26 is only 17 hrs, its not illegal to ask you to attend but they will have to make arrangements for you to be able to repay the time. the only let out would be if you were paying for the coarse yourself and not the company and they have just told you the coarse is on and you can attend if you want, then you don’t have to show anytime for attending the coarse, i will possibly shot down for saying that from the more ■■■■ on here!!! but this has been discussed on here before with letters published from vosa on this point
tamarman:
I work as a night trunker 5 nights a week. My week starts about 6.00pm on Monday evening , then working approximatly 12 hours per shift for 5 shifts and finishing my week at 6.00am on Saturday morning . My company has arranged for me to attend CPC Training on a Sunday between the hours of 8.00am and 16.00 , and i am then expected to return to work again on Monday at 6.00pm.
This will mean i will have attended work / work related training for 13 consecutive calender days with only one break of 26 hours between Saturday morning and Sunday morning and another 26 hours between Sunday afternoon and Monday evening. Whilst attending the training on Sunday i will be inserting my tacho card into a vehicle because under WTD Rules training associated with work is to be included in the weekly working time total. Bearing this in mind is what i am being asked to do legal ■■
As long as the weekly rests for the previous and following weeks are full weekly rests then YES, ITS LEGAL
The first reduced weekly rest of 26 hours requires 19 hours of payback and I think you normally have 60 hours off over the weekends
A full 45 plus 19 = 64 hours so the payback cannot be attatched to that 60 hour rest period HOWEVER, it can be done this way …
Take a full weekly rest the weekend after doing the dcpc
Take a reduced weekly rest the following week of 41 hours plus 19 hours payback = 60 hours which leaves a new 4 hours of payback
That 4 hours can be paid back with the next full weekly rest if so desired
I would ask how he spends his time off ? when are you supposed to have some quality time for you and your family ? im afraid he would get the big V from me.
shytalk:
I would ask how he spends his time off ? when are you supposed to have some quality time for you and your family ? im afraid he would get the big V from me.
A lot of drivers do alternate full and reduced weekly rest weekends so I do not see any great issues
In the case of the OP he is only being asked to do an odd reduced weekly rest and as that is actually two reduced weekly rests totalling 52 hours then is that really an issue??
Er, all you need is to do the training every other weekend, if there is to be more than one training session.
26 hours Sat am - Sunday am, then some training, then 26 hours Sunday pm - Monday pm, is a reduced weekly rest plus the required compensation. You are still getting 52 hours of rest in that weekend, which is well over the required 45 so no further compensation needed.
your boss sounds a right nescafe shaker, your day off he wants you in doing the DCPC, I would ask him to arrange it in work time not on a day off unless it is triple time but if you was in scotland 6 quid an hour wouldnt be worth it sit on dole better off!!! doing a 60 week you must be nuts.
The only legal barrier that I can see is the 60 WORKING hours absolute maximum.
Working on the info in the OP 12(hours per day) x 5(shifts in the week) = 60 - 3.45 (breaks taken) = 56.25 hours used before training. Unless you have more than the minimum breaks or POA you don’t have the WORKING hours available to do 7 hours of training.
The weekly rest is good albeit not your usual pattern.
Although it is perfectly legal. I wouldn’t want one of my drivers anywhere near a lorry after splitting his sleep pattern up this way.
You are a night worker, You should be doing your training in work time. Between 6pm and your usual finish time Monday to Friday.
It sounds like you take your orders from a manager? I wounldn’t expect the owner of a business to do this.
sewerat:
Although it is perfectly legal. I wouldn’t want one of my drivers anywhere near a lorry after splitting his sleep pattern up this way.
You are a night worker, You should be doing your training in work time. Between 6pm and your usual finish time Monday to Friday.
It sounds like you take your orders from a manager? I wounldn’t expect the owner of a business to do this.
I do no know abou the OP but I used to be on the exact same shift pattern many years ago
Finish sat am and sleep til lunchtime - get up albeit a bit tired
Normal sleep sat night and get up about 7 am sunday perfectly refreshed
sleep sunday niight but get up really early on monday so a bit tired in the afternoon to have a few hours kip before starting mon night shift
