Hi everybody
Truckersworld are conducting a Poll/ Vote on the implementation of the CPC.Its a smiple YES or NO. When I voted it was 91% against it. Presume they must be giving the results to Government. Just wondered why we dont do the same on TruckNet and conduct our own Poll?
mattcollin:
Hi everybodyTruckersworld are conducting a Poll/ Vote on the implementation of the CPC.Its a smiple YES or NO. When I voted it was 91% against it. Presume they must be giving the results to Government. Just wondered why we dont do the same on TruckNet and conduct our own Poll?
You can vote whichever way you like but it won’t change anything. There’s too much money to be made…
May be you are right but then again may be you are wrong? At least its an attempt to get this highway robbery knocked on the head. Got any other options, or do we all just sit back and take it up the t…pipe?
mattcollin:
May be you are right but then again may be you are wrong? At least its an attempt to get this highway robbery knocked on the head. Got any other options, or do we all just sit back and take it up the t…pipe?
Even if Barry got it knocked on the head, we would not be able to drive over the Channel without a DQC
There’s no chance whatsoever of getting the Driver CPC scrapped, but it may be possible to get the British government to change the way it’s carried out in the UK.
Having said that it has to be said that anyone who genuinely believes that the British government or JAUPT are going to change their minds on this probably also believes in Father Christmas and the tooth fairy.
Good luck anyway though 
mattcollin:
… Just wondered why we dont do the same on TruckNet and conduct our own Poll?
There was a DCPC poll on TN not long ago mate, it’s here:
Driver CPC. Your Opinions Please - THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE) - Trucknet UK
It would also depend on the purpose of the poll, because there’s this from our Forum Rule #6:
Forum Rule #6:
We don’t actively campaign as a general rule, although occasionally do support specific causes.
If you would like our help in that regard, PM Rikki-UK, or e-mail him at UKAdmin@Truck.Net
When the NERC act came in, it was blatently unfair, and the legislation meant a sector of those using public rights of way that had existed for 100’s of years were excluded from using them. Despite as high profile campaign as possible because those people who were concerned about the way the new law was being implemented are not “■■■■” to politicians or the media a completely unjust law has become day to day reality that we now have to live with.
There is no mainstream interest in opposing the DCPC from the general public or the media, and without that, any opposition is going nowhere, however well meaning and justified. Drivers can get as angry and worked up as they wish… the vast majority of the public will only see that LGV drivers are being forced to take extra training and welcome it, and never look into the issues around that training… the same with politicians
While I dislike the DCPC as it is implemented, we cannot even get any consensus or support from politicians or the general public on the basics like provision of over night parking for drivers, consignor repsonsibility for loads, drivers locked up for years in French prisons for unknowingly having drugs hidden in their loads and the travesty of the illegal immigrant fines imposed on innocent drivers. Which to me are far more basic and important than sorting out the DCPC.
Anyone who thinks they are going to get mainstream politcal and public support to change the DCPC probabaly also thinks if they urinate into the wind their trousers are not going to get wet.
Not good, not nice but the harsh reality
Rikki-UK:
When the NERC act came in, it was blatently unfair, and the legislation meant a sector of those using public rights of way that had existed for 100’s of years were excluded from using them. Despite as high profile campaign as possible because those people who were concerned about the way the new law was being implemented are not “■■■■” to politicians or the media a completely unjust law has become day to day reality that we now have to live with.There is no mainstream interest in opposing the DCPC from the general public or the media, and without that, any opposition is going nowhere, however well meaning and justified. Drivers can get as angry and worked up as they wish… the vast majority of the public will only see that LGV drivers are being forced to take extra training and welcome it, and never look into the issues around that training… the same with politicians
While I dislike the DCPC as it is implemented, we cannot even get any consensus or support from politicians or the general public on the basics like provision of over night parking for drivers, consignor repsonsibility for loads, drivers locked up for years in French prisons for unknowingly having drugs hidden in their loads and the travesty of the illegal immigrant fines imposed on innocent drivers. Which to me are far more basic and important than sorting out the DCPC.
Anyone who thinks they are going to get mainstream politcal and public support to change the DCPC probabaly also thinks if they urinate into the wind their trousers are not going to get wet.
Not good, not nice but the harsh reality
Spot on Rikki. Could not agree more. 
East Anglian Trucker:
You can vote whichever way you like but it won’t change anything. There’s too much money to be made…
Ditto above.
Rikki-UK:
There is no mainstream interest in opposing the DCPC from the general public or the media, and without that, any opposition is going nowhere, however well meaning and justified. Drivers can get as angry and worked up as they wish… the vast majority of the public will only see that LGV drivers are being forced to take extra training and welcome it, and never look into the issues around that training… the same with politicians
Perfect speil from “Management” and not a driver.
The truth is that T/Net do not want opposition to be seen, because it might have a bearing on their flogging one of the most expensive CPC Courses on the Market, “The Big Train”
If you deny your members any opposing threads or links then they are more inclined to think they must do the CPC and of course on T/N is the Big Train.
Sit on the fence, and rake in the money is far easier.
Thanks for the replies fellas (and ladies) knew I’d be shot for it. I see it this way, this is a truck forum for drivers and IMHO the CPC stinks, I’m sorry but I dont want telling how to stuck eggs and have my pocket robbed in the process!! Just because some pen pushing EU Ministers want to bring this in doesnt mean we have to sit back and take it. At least some are prepared to have a go. Where’s the have ago attitude and grow some!
I agree with some of the points on here but dont see what harm could come of a Poll on here. Diesel, you say that a Poll would have to have some bearing or advantadge towards helping other drivers. I respect your opinion and have read a lot of your posts, youre clearly a switched on bloke. But I see that this IS a point that will help other drivers. £3k to £4k to get behind wheel of an artic without the chance of walking straight into a job and then pay some more for useless course is unfair
Moreover Rikki I quote you," completely unjust law has become reality that we now have to live with", you are a moderator on the site and wont press this further. May be I havent looked into this far enough on the site and as Diesel says there is another thread which I havent looked at. But come on! You clearly dont agree with it and have some clout to do something about it. Dont know how many memebers are on T/N but couple the two together with Truckerworld and I bet you have 10 to 20k plus! Your decision.
May be its here to stay but there is nothing wrong with trying to alter how its funded or put in place. There needs to be changes and the I’m not doing nothing but zbing and moaning about it attitude ■■■■■ in my eyes, anybody can do that. If everybody had had took that attitude when Mr Mc Millan came brandishing a letter off the plane in the 1930’s we’d all be speaking German!!
PS. I was naive to think this was an open forum with no axe to grind and an impartial opinion but I I’m slowly changing my mind.
Go for it mate… a poll that indicates 90% of truck drivers don’t like the CPC is like asking turkey’s if they like the idea of Christmas. Most will say no, but that won’t change the fact that Christmas is here to stay.
If truck drivers opinions can’t force MSA’s to install clean showers, how many truck drivers opinions do you think are going to change the Government’s chance to earn millions from driver CPC’s…?
But hey, it’s a free world. You go for it mate, and good luck to you. Protest all you like, and if you change anything I’ll be the first person to applaud you for your tenacity. Of course, you could take the other attitude which is if you don’t like being told how to ■■■■ eggs and be robbed at the same time, don’t do it. Stop driving and do something else!
Personally, life’s too short as it is, and, to be honest, no matter how much I dislike having to do a CPC after driving for 35 years, I don’t really see the driver’s CPC as being on quite the same level as Hitler’s plans to change the entire free world.
Aye, and my wallet is too small to pay for this crap that I dont need. Sorry, your entitled to your opinion but I dont agree with it. . Herd mentality.Easy to spout, its here to stay, its a money making thing etc, etc. Nevermind about facilicities here in the UK they are crap, we’ve just been dealt more crap!
EA-Trucker dont wish to get into a slagging match, these are my opinions and the way I express them my be a bit OTT, but I’m trying to make a point, thats all. Dont think the Driver CPC equates to WW2 its A WAY OF GETTING A POINT ACROSS. As to me finding another job, well I like mine, four on four off £27000 a year, so IF I have to have somebody telling me to ■■■■ eggs so be it.The point here is the course is pointless, incidentally, the firm I work for have now said they will put me through this crap at no cost to myself, I still dont agree with it.
johnno:
Rikki-UK:
There is no mainstream interest in opposing the DCPC from the general public or the media, and without that, any opposition is going nowhere, however well meaning and justified. Drivers can get as angry and worked up as they wish… the vast majority of the public will only see that LGV drivers are being forced to take extra training and welcome it, and never look into the issues around that training… the same with politiciansPerfect speil from “Management” and not a driver.
The truth is that T/Net do not want opposition to be seen, because it might have a bearing on their flogging one of the most expensive CPC Courses on the Market, “The Big Train”
If you deny your members any opposing threads or links then they are more inclined to think they must do the CPC and of course on T/N is the Big Train.
Sit on the fence, and rake in the money is far easier.
Actually if you keep an eye at the top of the page, there is an advert that is for a course for £48 including upload fee… probably close to one of the cheapest around,
And I have stated on many occassion I think the way it is implemented is a mistake. there are many threads on here criticising the DCPC including one who yourself have taken an active part in
But why let facts get in the way of a good discussion 
EastAnglianTrucker:
But hey, it’s a free world. You go for it mate, and good luck to you. Protest all you like, and if you change anything I’ll be the first person to applaud you for your tenacity. Of course, you could take the other attitude which is if you don’t like being told how to ■■■■ eggs and be robbed at the same time, don’t do it. Stop driving and do something else!
That is good advice, there are loads of good jobs around, you could be a taxi driver, CPC course required, A JCB 360’ driver, CMPE required. A brickies labourer CITB required. Child care professional, needing CRB, Pediatric First Aid and a teaching skill. How about a Chef? food hygiene, hotel management, health and safety and college courses.
I see lots of info for retraining or specialist training that lasts longer than 7 or 8 hours driving an empty lorry as long as 40 years ago. Most of those little jobs I mentioned require some refresher training but a lorry driver can pass a fairly simple driving test after a few hours in the cab.
I don’t like the idea of being taught to ■■■■ eggs, but a well chosen provider who offers me something like ADR, Gas and Explosives may be of use. Tacho skills are necessary as we can always brush up on something or maybe take a Moffet course to bulk out our hours.
As long as these courses give something back the ones which are classroom based and not interesting will die out, that rusting metal frame with frayed straps and ropes hanging from it will join the breadmaker in the garage, The poor providers, like the gizmo that peels vegetables while you are in the bath and the automatic dog walker will just end up in landfill.
Like the revolting students complaining about tuition fees and they should be paid by tax payers. They are still too stupid to realise that when they do graduate and get a high paid job, they will be tax payers! Those that are training to be a footballer or gay rights activist should pay for themselves anyway…
mattcollin:
Thanks for the replies fellas (and ladies) knew I’d be shot for it.
Hi mattcolin,
I’ve not shot you for anything mate. As a Moderator, I simply stated our forum rule about campaigning.
Still speaking as a Moderator, I’d add that that rule existed before any of this DCPC stuff became an issue for some folks, but by the fact of signing up and posting on TNUK, we’ve all electronically agreed to accept the TNUK forum rules. It really is that simple.
mattcollin:
May be its here to stay but there is nothing wrong with trying to alter how its funded or put in place.
I completely agree with you there, but speaking as a driver and ordinary member, we’re all free to make a choice as to whether to get involved with that in any shape or form.
BTW, I’m not knocking you or TW, but please accept that I get to choose whether or to what extent I wish to become involved.
Please consider that other folks might feel the same way.
TBH, and personally speaking, I don’t like the DCPC in its present form, but to get any kind of process of change started, I think that the Govt. would have to own-up to having made some kind of error, but I wouldn’t hold my breath whilst I wait for them to do that.
The DCPC is a hash and a Minister might well have had his arse kicked big-time, but do any of us think that we’ll ever get to know? I reckon the Govt. will simply batten down the hatches and wait for it all the fuss to die down.
mattcollin:
PS. I was naive to think this was an open forum with no axe to grind and an impartial opinion but I I’m slowly changing my mind.
If that’s true, can you point to anywhere where somebody’s words have been censored?
Can you point to where somebody’s post has been removed solely for their views?
Can you point to a time when we locked or deleted this topic because of the subject matter?
No matter how passionately any person feels about any subject, my personal comment is to suggest that they shouldn’t always take it for granted that other folks will automatically share that passion to the same extent.
While I dont agree with the dcpc in its present form it is EU law & most of the EU have this in some form
Yes it can be improved which maybe a better way to go as it is here to stay
Some employers are paying for the drivers to go through it although many arent but that is a different thread altogether
The question was if a Poll could be arranged on the site, Yes or No. Now its being altered to me finding another job! Its so easy for somebody to say “thats good advice” and spout off. Stating the obvious, yes I could find another job but may be I dont want to. May be I shouldnt have mentioned it as I half knew some of the responses I’d get. Diesel Dave and Rikki you have given me the reason why you dont wish to run a Poll on the site rather than just a NO it cant be done,thats fair enough for me.
mattcollin:
The question was if a Poll could be arranged on the site, Yes or No. Now its being altered to me finding another job! Its so easy for somebody to say “thats good advice” and spout off. Stating the obvious, yes I could find another job but may be I dont want to. May be I shouldnt have mentioned it as I half knew some of the responses I’d get. Diesel Dave and Rikki you have given me the reason why you dont wish to run a Poll on the site rather than just a NO it cant be done,thats fair enough for me.
You can make your own poll with a simple yes no, without asking a moderators permission. 
My spouting off was to point out the alternatives and we, as drivers are not being singled out for additional training
mattcollin:
The question was if a Poll could be arranged on the site, Yes or No.
Hi mattcolin,
The answer to that question is “yes.” It’s perfectly OK to make a poll, and as Malc pointed out, you don’t need permission to do so.
In answer to your OP, I pointed out that there had been something similar on TNUK recently.
mattcollin:
Now its being altered to me finding another job!
I think that anybody posting anything about DCPC will probably receive a very wide variety of opinions, including a suggestion about the option of finding another job.