CPC Conversion Test (2024!)

Hi, I’m wondering if someone can clarify this for me.

I currently hold full Category C and D licences. However, my DQC only covers buses.

I now want to obtain a CPC for HGV and someone who has done the same mentioned you can do a conversion test.

Is this still possible, as others have informed me I have to resit modules 2 and 4? I can’t find anything about a conversion test on the DVSA website, so I’m wondering if it’s too good to be true.

Thanks in advance :slight_smile:

I don’t think there is a test no.

If you have held a DQC for cat C at some point before, the route is 35 hours, if not modules 2 and 4.

Edit: I better also say that if you have acquired rights C1 of course you can do 35 hours instead of the modules.

I’m not aware of any conversion course, I’ve never met anyone who has spoken about it. Most DQCs I’ve seen where a driver has both C and D entitlements show both on the front of the DQC. Definitley no need to do Mods 2 & 4. Maybe contact DVSA? You may be able to get a card issued showing both entitlements.

@zac_a Although displayed on the same card, the CPC is separate for bus and lorry.

The initial CPC is distinct for each. When doing ongoing training some modules count for one or the other and some for both.

The ones displaying both most likely were existing drivers and have done modules counting for both throughout.

Strangely enough if you have an acquired rights D1 (not for hire or reward), you are permitted to do 35 hours rather than initial CPC I believe.

But if you have that you also have the acquired rights C1, so both/either allows candidates to skip the Mod 2 / Mod 4 (both of those are ridiculously easy tick-box exercises)

@zac_a, Well, I looked up the data, seeing as you seemed to think the case studies is ridiculously easy. Maybe you meant ridiculously easy for a qualified transport manager and former driver (but that isn’t the typical person sitting the test is it?).

For most of the theory test centres the range seems to be 75% to 80% pass rate.

I also found that there IS a CPC conversion test that doesn’t seem to be sat very often. However, for the two test centres I found with data for a previous year, the pass rate was below 50%.

The way to find out if you can sit it would be to try booking one online (for the o/p). I am guessing the practical would still need to be done.

I’m far too long in the tooth to have done the Mod 2, but this week I trained someone for their Mod 4, on the same day he’d taken and passed his Mod 2, and he said it was “a piece of p155”, and this is not someone used to exams, he was an ex-squaddie-turned-HGV-fitter.

Clearly if it is accurate that there is a 75%-80% pass rate, it is well within the capabilities of the average person sitting the test; having seen quite a few of those doing Mod 4 training, who have by default passed the Mod 2, I’d hate to see the state of those who couldn’t pass it.

I haven’t done it either, but if there is a pass mark it isn’t a box tick exercise.

You can just about cast iron guarantee the difficulty is set so that there are failures. Obviously in your opinion the difficulty doesn’t need to be very high in order to achieve this. :rofl:

So do you expect that everything should be set up so everyone passes everything and no one fails?

The chap I described said it was multiple choice responses, so yes, literally tick-boxes

Well, did I say that anywhere?

So you said mod 4 was a tick box exercise, but that is a practical.

I just thought it was misleading to say it is ridiculously easy on a forum where presumably people are coming on without the first clue and wanting to know if they need to study.

You said that there was a pass rate because some people fail it: If no one ever fails a test, how is a test?

Seriously? You’ve never heard the use of “tick box exercise” as a description of something as simple as falling off a log? Practical tasks of great simplicity can legitimately be described as “tick box exercises”.

I occassionally get asked to do the Mod 4 preperation training, whoch consists of a video and a powerpoint detailing

  1. what questions you will be asked
  2. which answers you are expected to give
  3. a demonstration of how to use a ratchet strap, chain and binder, and load bar.
  4. which questions require you to demonstrate the use of which item from #3
  5. How to do a walkaround check, and,
  6. How to check your vehicle for the presence of Robroy’s favourite members of the human race, “clandestine entrants” being the preferred term.

Anyone who cannot pass this “test” :roll_eyes: after being shown, and told, what to do and say, is not fit to do anything more than push a broom around.

It’s a government-sponsored joke.

As part of a training package, most drivers will be signed up to something like “DTS anywhere” which will cover what they need to do for Mod 2.

Ok @zac_a you are getting a bit silly now aren’t you? Or are you for real here?

Try reading what you have written today:

As I said, if there is a pass mark, it isn’t a box tick exercise.

Do you want to put any more words in my mouth, or accuse me of thinking anything else?

You must be “on the spectrum” to some degree;

  1. it’s a tick box exercise ie it’s just going through the motions and no real effort is required
  2. “literally a tick box exercise”, ie it is “exactly what it says on the tin” it literally is an exercise in ticking boxes

Ok @zac_a, it is clear to me that you have some issues which I can’t resolve.

My wish was to be clear to new drivers that a test with a pass mark, for which you need to study, isn’t ridiculously easy, as demonstrated by the fact that people fail the test.

You clearly wish to muddy the waters and try to turn things around, but guess what, not today.

No doubt you will want the last word as always, the floor is yours.

You’re very full of yourself I can see, and now you’ve become sanctimonious. I think you’re suffering from a bout of Dunning-Kruger syndrome, no doubt encouraged by some online “test” that you passed.

Mod 2 is ridiculously easy to pass, end of.
Mod 4 too, ridiculously easy to pass. Unlike you, I actually meet these Initial DCPC candidates in person.

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