I am sorry to be bringing what appears to be bad news for you. The ability to transfer grandfather rights into a qualification certificate expired a long time ago. If however you took an exam it is likely tohave been the already mentioned Royal Society of ARts who were the issuing body.
movingon.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/30 … nning-out/
This below is the guidance issued at the time for those wishing to acquire a certificate based on past practical experience
cav551:
I am sorry to be bringing what appears to be bad news for you. The ability to transfer grandfather rights into a qualification certificate expired a long time ago. If however you took an exam it is likely tohave been the already mentioned Royal Society of ARts who were the issuing body.movingon.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/30 … nning-out/
This below is the guidance issued at the time for those wishing to acquire a certificate based on past practical experience
I was TM for 10 years solid up to aprox 2007/2008 so does that mean I’d still be able to get it?
I just find everything online regarding this pretty hard to understand lol
If anyone can explain in Baby language? Lol
My reading of it is that you have missed the boat, sorry. The link below lists telephone numbers for the offices of the various area traffic commissioners who will be able to answer any questions you may have. They will also advise you on what options you and your son have. It is just possible he will be granted an interim licence on the condition that you (or he) enroll in a course and pass the exam. The time necessary for you to do this could be shorter than the time required for his application to be processed.
The Outlaw:
cav551:
I am sorry to be bringing what appears to be bad news for you. The ability to transfer grandfather rights into a qualification certificate expired a long time ago. If however you took an exam it is likely tohave been the already mentioned Royal Society of ARts who were the issuing body.movingon.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/30 … nning-out/
This below is the guidance issued at the time for those wishing to acquire a certificate based on past practical experience
I was TM for 10 years solid up to aprox 2007/2008 so does that mean I’d still be able to get it?
I just find everything online regarding this pretty hard to understand lol
If anyone can explain in Baby language? Lol
Hi Outlaw,
I replaced mine in 2012.
EU REGULATIONS
P.O.BOX 178
LEEDS LS9 1BS
ATTN.ACQUIRED RIGHTS
01132543202
Cheers Malc
malc step:
The Outlaw:
cav551:
I am sorry to be bringing what appears to be bad news for you. The ability to transfer grandfather rights into a qualification certificate expired a long time ago. If however you took an exam it is likely tohave been the already mentioned Royal Society of ARts who were the issuing body.movingon.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/30 … nning-out/
This below is the guidance issued at the time for those wishing to acquire a certificate based on past practical experience
I was TM for 10 years solid up to aprox 2007/2008 so does that mean I’d still be able to get it?
I just find everything online regarding this pretty hard to understand lol
If anyone can explain in Baby language? Lol
Hi Outlaw,
I replaced mine in 2012.
EU REGULATIONS
P.O.BOX 178
LEEDS LS9 1BSATTN.ACQUIRED RIGHTS
01132543202Cheers Malc
The expiry date for Grandfather Rights was 20 November 2013
ocr.org.uk/images/16454-repl … rm-cpc.pdf
I applied for a replacement certificate earlier this year, and it took about 2 months to get a copy back.
But i had passed the exam back in 83. Would be cheaper for you to sit the exam.
Dean
cav551:
malc step:
The Outlaw:
cav551:
I am sorry to be bringing what appears to be bad news for you. The ability to transfer grandfather rights into a qualification certificate expired a long time ago. If however you took an exam it is likely tohave been the already mentioned Royal Society of ARts who were the issuing body.movingon.blog.gov.uk/2013/10/30 … nning-out/
This below is the guidance issued at the time for those wishing to acquire a certificate based on past practical experience
I was TM for 10 years solid up to aprox 2007/2008 so does that mean I’d still be able to get it?
I just find everything online regarding this pretty hard to understand lol
If anyone can explain in Baby language? Lol
Hi Outlaw,
I replaced mine in 2012.
EU REGULATIONS
P.O.BOX 178
LEEDS LS9 1BSATTN.ACQUIRED RIGHTS
01132543202Cheers Malc
The expiry date for Grandfather Rights was 20 November 2013
I had just over 12 months to spare.
deanno:
http://www.ocr.org.uk/images/16454-replacement-certificate-application-form-cpc.pdfI applied for a replacement certificate earlier this year, and it took about 2 months to get a copy back.
But i had passed the exam back in 83. Would be cheaper for you to sit the exam.Dean
It’s £42 for the search and £1300 for the course.
So I’ve missed it then it seems ?
I read they automatically sent some out so I’m wondering if they sent me one but I can’t recall it tbh .
My operators licence is still on the “search for operator” on the Government website and lists me as TM. It says my old O licence expiry date was 2014.
malc step:
Hi Outlaw,
I replaced mine in 2012.
EU REGULATIONS
P.O.BOX 178
LEEDS LS9 1BSATTN.ACQUIRED RIGHTS
01132543202Cheers Malc
The expiry date for Grandfather Rights was 20 November 2013
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I had just over 12 months to spare.
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I was meaning that that the OP needed to be aware that your application was ‘in date’ whereas his would not be.
The Outlaw:
So I’ve missed it then it seems ?I read they automatically sent some out so I’m wondering if they sent me one but I can’t recall it tbh .
My operators licence is still on the “search for operator” on the Government website and lists me as TM. It says my old O licence expiry date was 2014.
The only way you are going to get anywhere is to speak to a TC’s office.
My feelings are that you should view the cost of a training course and the exam in the light of reviewing how well your past experience stacks up against the very challenging operating conditions of today. Only you know why you chose to surrender your O licence and that is a personal matter. Only you know how relevant your previous experience is to the sector of the industry your son wishes to enter.
I took the RSA exam in around 1980 and practised as a TM shortly afterwards. I have not been practising for the best part of 30 years now. Although entitled to, I would not dream of re- entering the profession without undergoing a refresher course. I consider my knowledge to be out of date even though I try hard to keep in touch. Below is the current syllabus, much of which is entirely new to the old RSA exam.
Should I wish to do exactly what you intend then I would be asking myself the following questions: Is my knowledge of the current regulations governing the industry up to date and do I understand them? Do I know where to look up anything I am not sure about? Does my knowledge of 2017 business operating practices and conditions in the sector of the industry my son wishes to operate instill me with confidence in my own ability? And more importantly in my son’s business plan?
Read through the syllabus and check your knowledge. Try checking your knowledge against past question papers.
That £1300 could be a very sound investment .
ocr.org.uk/Images/152108-cpc … -guide.pdf
At random a search for past question papers revealed:
cav551:
malc step:
Hi Outlaw,
I replaced mine in 2012.
EU REGULATIONS
P.O.BOX 178
LEEDS LS9 1BSATTN.ACQUIRED RIGHTS
01132543202Cheers Malc
The expiry date for Grandfather Rights was 20 November 2013
I had just over 12 months to spare.
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I was meaning that that the OP needed to be aware that your application was ‘in date’ whereas his would not be.
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Looks like my son will have to pay TM until he sits his course.
As others have said, you are out of luck. If you were in a qualifying position, the last opportunity for swapping your certificate for an Acquired Rights Certificate was December 2013.
This is taken from:
‘Statutory Document No. 3
TRANSPORT MANAGERS’
54. In line with Article 9, the previous ‘Grandfather Rights’ have been replaced by
new ‘Acquired Rights’ certificates. The responsibility for issuing these
certificates lies with the Secretary of State. They are issued on the basis of a
declaration that the individuals in question can provide proof upon request that
they have ‘continuously managed’ a road haulage or a road passenger
transport operation in one or more Member States for the period of 10 years
ending on 4 December 2009. Acquired Rights certificates are being
automatically issued to all transport managers exercising ‘grandfather rights’ on
an operator’s licence at the date of implementation. Those holding ‘Grandfather
Rights’ but not listed as a transport manager on an operator’s licence at that
date are also able to apply for an “Acquired Rights” certificate.
55. Only transport managers with existing Grandfather Rights are eligible to apply
for Acquired Rights. Those who are not listed as a transport manager on a
current operator’s licence are required to apply to the Secretary of State for an
Acquired Rights certificate by 4 December 2013.
56. The Secretary of State’s decision is based on details contained in an application
form. The details required include: the serial number of the current GFR
certificate, date and place of birth (as required by the new UK National Register
of Hire or Reward Operators), details of the work undertaken as a transport
manager from 4 December 1999 to date including names and addresses (and
O-licence numbers where possible) for all operators worked for. That
information is therefore available from Department for Transport records.
Thanks for the help guys. I think he’s going to go down the pay a TM route for the start and then sit his cpc course next year.
It will get him on his feet for a Start. I’ll jump on his truck next year while he sits it.
Shame I’ve lost my rights to be a TM after 20 odd years of operating my own trucks.
My next thread will be regarding FORS acredidted lol