The Sarge:
A very fashionable diatribe, Rob.
Roll your eyes all you like, itâs true. I wouldnât expect someone with a username of âThe Sargeâ to agree. Nuff said.
Not a copper mate, never have been. But have needed their assistance on more than one occasion.
All coppers are â â â â â â â â - just the same as saying all truckers are fat lazy drunkards (present company excepted). Generalisations are very popular with some peopleâŚ
kemaro:
i was doing 30⌠maybe less as i just pulled out from the garage and i have a 1998 diesel audi a4 that doesnât accelerate to rapidlyâŚ
Maybe his gun was set for km/h as 44 mph is just under 30mph (27,34 mph) exactly.
have been summoned to court, in november, in the next county?.. i can go to court and plead guilty but can only plead not guilty by post?.. also the police officers witness statement for the prosecution says , and this is all its says , that i asked to be let off as im an hgv driver⌠that is a lie! i never asked to be let off anything as i had not done anything, a letter is being sent with my not guilty plea, surely it is upto them to prove without reasonable doubt that i was speeding not for me to prove that i was within in the law⌠nay ideas why i would be summoned to court in the next county nearly 70 miles away, the alleged offence took place in pembrokeshire and the officer was from the police station here and we have a magistrtes courtâŚ
kemaro:
have been summoned to court, in november, in the next county?.. i can go to court and plead guilty but can only plead not guilty by post?.. also the police officers witness statement for the prosecution says , and this is all its says , that i asked to be let off as im an hgv driver⌠that is a lie! i never asked to be let off anything as i had not done anything, a letter is being sent with my not guilty plea, surely it is upto them to prove without reasonable doubt that i was speeding not for me to prove that i was within in the law⌠nay ideas why i would be summoned to court in the next county nearly 70 miles away, the alleged offence took place in pembrokeshire and the officer was from the police station here and we have a magistrtes courtâŚ
No idea why its in the next county. On what basis are you pleading not guilty? Iâm not being funny with you, but its no good going to court saying i wasnât speeding if a copper says you where. If he âthinksâ you where speeding and he says his speed gun confirms it, then unfortunateley that is âbeyond all reasonable doubtâ. Just trying to save you time and money !!!
the reason i am going to court and pleading not guilty is because i was not speeding!..
kemaro:
the reason i am going to court and pleading not guilty is because i was not speeding!..
I know youâve already said you wherenât speeding. Iâm asking you what you have as evidence that you where not, because from what youâve told us you will definatley be found guilty. So, what do you have, just your word for it?
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.
kemaro:
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.
Well unless youâre a vicar and your passengers were Inspectors Morse and Poirot â â ? 
kemaro:
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.
Ok, let me be the first to sayâŚyou where told. Three points and a bigger fine and costs on the way . Good luck .
Mike-C:
kemaro:
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.Ok, let me be the first to sayâŚyou where told. Three points and a bigger fine and costs on the way . Good luck .
But, in the same respect, if you definately werenât speeding, good on you for fighting it.
Too many people bend over and take it because theyâre scared of getting found guilty, if youâre innocent then you shouldnât be found guilty.
If more people fought some of the crap we have to put up with, then maybe thereâd be fewer horror stories.
Best of luck
Iâve lost count of the number of times Iâve been in court but on a few occasions (3) when I felt I had an argument I appeared personally and presented my case to the magistrates. I won on each occasion in spite of the record the magistrates have in front of them. You must appear in person to have any chance and it should go without saying âsuited and booted with a fresh shave and haircut!â. You might not be the only one challenging this copperâŚ? Do your homework and also ask why the case is not being heard locally, that seems strange to me? Do not, under any circumstances, appoint a lawyer 
contest it!!! I did the same in similar circumstances, wrote a letter to the court pleading not guilty, the reasons and witness statements from 3 other guys who were in the car at the time, got thrown outâŚ
tbh i was,nt speeding,
on another occasion when i may have been, the ticket given stated the wrong vehicle, again thrown outâŚ
a police friend of mine in the met reckons on average 80% of contested tickets are thrown out, as they either dont have the time ect to spend obtaining further info/ or they know its a lost caseâŚ
waynedl:
Mike-C:
kemaro:
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.Ok, let me be the first to sayâŚyou where told. Three points and a bigger fine and costs on the way . Good luck .
But, in the same respect, if you definately werenât speeding, good on you for fighting it.
Too many people bend over and take it because theyâre scared of getting found guilty, if youâre innocent then you shouldnât be found guilty.
If more people fought some of the crap we have to put up with, then maybe thereâd be fewer horror stories.
Best of luck
Wayne, i agree with your take on it. Iâve been to court twice, once for a fixed gatso and once for the same camera as he had, However in both them cases i seen a way out,i was not found not guilty but the case could not go any further as they where not allowed to produce their evidence.So i âgot offâ . if heâs gonna rely on " i wasnât speeding" then heâll be done. Anyone wanna run a book on it?
Mike-C:
waynedl:
Mike-C:
kemaro:
yes , my word and two witnesses that were passengers in my car at the time.Ok, let me be the first to sayâŚyou where told. Three points and a bigger fine and costs on the way . Good luck .
But, in the same respect, if you definately werenât speeding, good on you for fighting it.
Too many people bend over and take it because theyâre scared of getting found guilty, if youâre innocent then you shouldnât be found guilty.
If more people fought some of the crap we have to put up with, then maybe thereâd be fewer horror stories.
Best of luck
Wayne, i agree with your take on it. Iâve been to court twice, once for a fixed gatso and once for the same camera as he had, However in both them cases i seen a way out,i was not found not guilty but the case could not go any further as they where not allowed to produce their evidence.So i âgot offâ . if heâs gonna rely on " i wasnât speeding" then heâll be done. Anyone wanna run a book on it?
I agree. Need a better story than that, even if it is true. Also the 2 âfriendsâ in the car with him as witnesses wonât âwashâ with the magistrate either. GAR!
in my case, which is similar to the o/p,s, i was driving with 3 work colleaques in the vehicle, on a road notorius for a copper hiding in a bus stop, we also had a base about 2 miles past this bus stop with several guys mobile and radio communication, I knew that the copper was in the bus stop and my speed was 30+ but limit was 40, an approaching bus stop he flagged me down, saying i was doing 45-50mph, I told him no way and my colleaques backed me up, his device for catching my speed was a watch! timing me between 2 white squares painted on the roadâ â ? anyways he procedded with the ticket and it went to court, the outcome as stated thrown outâŚ
my wife is contesting a gasco one at the moment as the picture issued is taken from behind and we cannot identify the driver 
the car as 3 named drivers as well as other none named but 3rd party drivers⌠during a telephone call she was told to put it in writing and 99% sure that it will be scrappedâŚ
You said he showed you his speed gun at 44mph how do you know that was your speed it could of been a previous car he nicked and did not cancel and reset the speed gun just a thought as you are adamant you were under 30 mph.
i have sent my NOT GUILTY plea in the post along with a long letter, as much as i would like to attend court in person I am not able too due a being away on a pre booked holiday, i have put copies of tickets etc to prove this fact, we shall see what happens, im not bending over and taking it as i did not do it⌠i did state in my letter that the only reason at the time we could i was being puled for was that there were three guys in the car on a saturday evening and he perhaps thought that i had a drinkâŚ
dle1uk:
my wife is contesting a gasco one at the moment as the picture issued is taken from behind and we cannot identify the driver
Sorry Iâm not following that. 
AFAIK, all the gatso cameras take 2 pictures from behind, to identify the reg of the vehicle. Donât think they are intended to recognise the driver. I take it you mean 3 named drivers on the insurance policy. A vehicle can only have 1 registered keeper, but may be owned by someone else.
So an NIP has been sent to the registered keeper, itâs down to them to either confirm they are the driver at the time or say who the driver was, so they can be prosecuted.
Sorry I canât see from what youâve said, how it can be contested.
dle1uk:
my wife is contesting a gasco one at the moment as the picture issued is taken from behind and we cannot identify the driver
Again Iâm not so sure itâs that easy and you could potentially end up lumbered with an MS90 which is 6 points and causes problems with future insurance if youâre not careful 