Take it to court, I had a similer incident a few years ago, unmarked traffic car pulled me for speeding, he didnt have any recording equipment in the car. I took it to court, on the day the police officer phoned in sick, adjourned to another date, again police officer phone in sick, magistrate threw their case out and awarded costs to me. Moral is dont take anything lying down! There’s more rogues in the police force than anywhere else!
kemaro:
…he said that’s right its 30 and you were exceeding the limit, I said I was not, he said I’m on his gun exceeding 30, I asked to see the gun and the speed as the screen was blank, he reluctantly showed me , pressed a few buttons and a 44+ came up on the gun.he said I accelerated to 44 then slowed, if I kept under 42 he would have referred me to a speed awareness course, I queried the gun reading as I had not been speeding and asked to see the video footage of my car doing that speed on that road, he said I couldn’t as he was not recording!
No he doesn’t have to record on video, but the fact that he was reluctant to show you his gun readings, indicates he wasn’t being kosher. I would expect any police officer pulling me up for speeding to show me the evidence…
I would ask for precise time details for all the speed readings on that particular gun on that day, and hope you can remember what time exactly it was that he says you were speeding.
I think you’ll have to go to court, or declare that you’re contesting the charge, to do that though!
I agree with others that have said. Visit http://www.pepipoo.com
It seems that whatever a copper says…he is believed.nearly every copper thats been investigated, by the complaints commission, gets off…cos theyre all mates in it together…
And with speeding tickets, a lot of people say…dont forget to ask for the calibratiuon charts…how do you know the CB charts are the ones for the camera that nicked you…anyway…if you are telling the truth, and was not speeding…then fight it all the way…it does not seem right…but its the chance you have to take, and hopefully the judge will accept the fact that you have taken the trouble to take the case to court, and therefore there is something in it…so go for it…dont forget to mention to the judge that had it been a truck…you could have brought proof of the vehicles speed…but as its a car…no device was or can be fitted.
Turbo:
There’s more rogues in the police force than anywhere else!
I was told that…
by a police officer 
Tiger.
Ive contested a speeding summons in court for the very same reason : ie I wasn’t, and as far as I was concerned the Police were not going to win.
There were two Police Officers against me in court plus the Prosecution (acting for the Police), itself quite daunting as it was my first time in court for anything.
The Prosecution will do their best to to un-settle and put you off guard, so make sure that you tell the truth and tell it as it happened on the day…do not make stories up or they will look for inconsistance and pull your defence apart.
I had clean licence and proved as HGV driver driving thousands of miles a year I was not the type to speed, it was my livelihood and to drive in an un-professional manner would be stupid and reckless.If you have a history of speeding and other driving convictions the judge will not be so leniet and you will more than likely be fined.
The Prosecution asked if I was calling the Police liers to which I replied “yes”.Not something expected but
I won my case and was awarded all costs which amounted to £800
The Police often make comments such as “in a rush are we” or “late for something” as it gives you then the chance to shoot youself in the foot by replying “Well yes I was trying to get to work on time/cinema/catching a train” etc. Its the same as denying you were doing 40mph and then saying I was only doing 35mph (in a 30mph zone) dont catch yourself out.The Police will use all comments in court. All the best if you go ahead.
Melchett:
kemaro:
I was issued with a fixed penalty notice for 3 points and a £60 fine, I have to surrender my licence at the police station, and then I can fill in the back and ask to be dealt with by a court.I’d be tempted to bite the bullet mate, your word against a traffic cop with speed gun■■? By all means take it to court but I don’t fancy your chances… & you face an increased fine if they find against you + all associated costs! Up to you, get on pepipoo using the link above!
■■■■ right. I contested one, and proved in court I was not doing the speed alledged. But because the safety camera operator said ‘I looked tobe speeding’ (I wasn’t and I also had passengers that stated so) the DJ convicted me and gave me 4 points instead of three.
I wouldn’t bother mate, you’ve got little chance of success and you’ll get 4 or 5 points not three…
teatime:
“I asked to see the gun and the speed as the screen was blank, he reluctantly showed me , pressed a few buttons and a 44+ came up on the gun.”I would be interested to know the speed of the previous offender he nicked, just saying like
Thats the element of doubt that would help your defence and of course your witnesses to confirm your speed.
An alleged speed of 44+ came up but I would have thought the gun would have to show the vehicle registration number as well otherwise it could have been anyone - he could even have been trying it on with other drivers using the same numbers! I was in exactly the same position a few years ago, took it to court but still got fined, although the fine was exactly the same as the FPN.
personally i would go and get proper legal advice from a trained proffesional
scotstrucker:
personally i would go and get proper legal advice from a trained proffesional
Generally I’d say that was good advice but getting that “professional advice” is likely to cost + time off work + travel (if the court is some way away) + the big chance he will be found guilty… with extra fine + extra points possible!
I agree it’s unfair & some on this thread have actually won, but they are the exception! In most cases the maggies will side with the Occifer, the dice is loaded in their favour!
It’s all very well suggesting he should contest this, it’s not our money! I couldn’t sit here & advise someone to do something I wouldn’t… & in this case I wouldn’t!
Take the rap: £60 + 3 points.
Go not guilty: Who knows!
Not my cash or my licence but I know what I would do…
I dont know how these speed guns work …but i was under the impression that the user has to input a speed first…(say 10 or 14 mph over the speed limit for that road) and then the machine automatically records any vehicle over the inputted speed.
Or is that just the one that Sheriff Lyle uses in Convoy 
i would ask for photo evidence follwed by any spelling mistakes on any paperwork vehicle reg name etc etc i got caught doin 47 in a 30 naughty i know got pulled i requested photoevidence and when letter arrived in post it was addressed to mr whitehouse not mr whitehead the pic was my car but the reg in letter had couple of letters wrong way round i took it to court and case was dropped immediatly
i would seriously request photo evidence i think by law they have to provide and also request when the gun was recalibrated
Melchett:
scotstrucker:
personally i would go and get proper legal advice from a trained proffesionalGenerally I’d say that was good advice but getting that “professional advice” is likely to cost + time off work + travel (if the court is some way away) + the big chance he will be found guilty… with extra fine + extra points possible!
I agree it’s unfair & some on this thread have actually won, but they are the exception! In most cases the maggies will side with the Occifer, the dice is loaded in their favour!
It’s all very well suggesting he should contest this, it’s not our money! I couldn’t sit here & advise someone to do something I wouldn’t… & in this case I wouldn’t!
Take the rap: £60 + 3 points.
Go not guilty: Who knows!
Not my cash or my licence but I know what I would do…
they rely on the person being fined too just take it and pay up and not question it. there are quite a few soliciters now adays that will give you your first 30 minute slot for free, yes it will cost money if he does go too court and loses and his record blemished but it will always be in the back of his mind that he should have fought it. good luck what ever he decides
If it was Europe I would have said his wifes washing machine had broken down or his car needed repairs and he was merely using his speed gun to cover the cost 'course this is Britain and our law officers are all upstanding members of the community.next time just bung him.
If it were a Gatso you would have no defence.As this is down to the officers integrity its another ball game. Its easy for us to say fight the barsteward but I hope that you do have your day in court and let us all know how you got on.
teatime:
I would be interested to know the speed of the previous offender he nicked, just saying like
Thats the element of doubt that would help your defence and of course your witnesses to confirm your speed.
Quite so.
I believe its proven some guns are inaccurate.
Sometimes the signal bounces off other things and affects the reading.
Have you ascertained the type of gun used?
You might find this of interest:
dailymail.co.uk/news/article … andal.html
You sure you didn’t accelerate away from the fuel station whilst chatting with your passengers & temporarily get over 30 before realising and dropping back? Its easy done. Diesel A4’s arent that slow, my '98 2.5Tdi Avant is wick.
Unfortunalety I think you’ll find passengers in the same vehicle are not credible witnesses in this case.
This might also be worth looking at: (should you decide to join, please mention my user name here)
teatime:
“I asked to see the gun and the speed as the screen was blank, he reluctantly showed me , pressed a few buttons and a 44+ came up on the gun.”I would be interested to know the speed of the previous offender he nicked, just saying like
Thats the element of doubt that would help your defence and of course your witnesses to confirm your speed.
Irrelevant as he is been prosecuted for going above 30 and not for going at 44. You would have no access to that information as it probably wasn’t even recorded, as the offence is exceeding the speed limit of 30mph and not doing 44mph. Even if it was the CPS would just say coincidence.
How could the witnesses confirm his speed, they were all in his car so obviously not impartial.
As already mentioned anything over 30mph is breaking the law and be careful as 44 in a 30 could be construed as a quite serious offence as you exceeded the limit by nearly 50%. The mags may take a very dim view.
You may want to enter your details into this;
I wish you luck, however standby for Points, Fine, Costs and Victim Surcharge.
If there was just one cop in the car it’s non collaboration.
Plus if the reading on the gun was wrong (as you suspect it to be) and the car was not recording…
I’d stick in a complaint for good measure, but if there was one cop it’s non collaboration.
stagedriver:
If there was just one cop in the car it’s non collaboration.Plus if the reading on the gun was wrong (as you suspect it to be) and the car was not recording…
I’d stick in a complaint for good measure, but if there was one cop it’s non collaboration.
He doesn’t need collaboration, officer makes judgement that driver is speeding, uses equipment to confirm his suspicions and bingo your nicked and believe me the Mags will convict. It’s the way speed camera vans work single manned, (although I note this was a patrol car) the video is only classed as the officer’s electronic notebook so you would have no legal right to see it. That is done to circumnavigate the defendant having the legal right to see the video and all the other (alleged) offenders on it, thereby negating the privacy issues.
I not saying it’s right but that’s the way it is. Most law firms would not touch this sort of work with any confidence of success, you would need to hire someone like Mr Loophole.
Many people have thrown lots of money at getting this system overturned, so unless you won tonight’s euro millions and want to make a name for yourself, seriously consider where you are going with this.
The end result of this could go either way if you take it to court. Personally if I had to put money on it based on what you’ve said, and having had a significant number of dealings with pigs, I reckon you’re on a hiding to nothing. If you get off with it then you’ve caught the magistrate on an ‘off’ day as 95% of the time they’ll side with the pigs as they’re as bent as they are.
All pigs are [zb]s. Their sole purpose is to [zb] you over and extract monies from you to keep funding their corruption. People that still believe they are there to help and serve us and see that justice is being done are very detached from reality.
A very fashionable diatribe, Rob.