erfguy:
Here’s the machine, mobile mix what you want machine
As a non-lgv license holder (yet) all I can say is, that is a truck, and I pray that if ever one comes up behind me that’s its a qualified truck driver at the wheel. The licence laws in this country are bloody ridiculous. Before I passed my pcv test I used to drive a minibus as a volunteer on a car licence, yet if I wanted to be paid for it I had to pass the D1 test. Who the hell makes up these rules? 
I used to drive a volumetric concrete mixer and yes u can drive on a car license no you Carnt run on red anymore you could at one stage, gaffer got fined when they come in our yard and next door to us one morning, we still carried on thow as was only 600 quid fine and they hadn’t been for two years previous
From the D.O.T. website;
I can see why people get confused. The definitions are rather vague.
I’m not sure about red diesel. I do know that my neighbour, who is a groundwork contractor with his own JCB, has to run that on white diesel.
That has all changed, you could drive a concrete pump on a car licence…ie classed as plant, not any more…as for red in the tank if the mixer is used on a site only and classed as not used on the highway then red can be used.
mobile plant is what the fairground lads drive under, no hgv
There is a separate classification for Showmans’ Vehicles, I believe.
My understanding of the red diesel situation is whether the vehicle can carry a load or not. Clearly a pump carries no load so is considered plant so red diesel would be approriate I’d say. Same goes for cranes which carry no load, not sure about the licence.
Sidevalve:
From the D.O.T. website;I can see why people get confused. The definitions are rather vague.
I’m not sure about red diesel. I do know that my neighbour, who is a groundwork contractor with his own JCB, has to run that on white diesel.
the only way he would need to do that is by carrying goods ,like a bucket full of stone to a job down the road etc
carrying you buckets/breaker etc is fine
8wheels:
I’d wonder about who might employ a non HGV driver to drive one, with people doing HGV work for peanuts it can’t be a money thing. Surely putting a non trained driver in one is not sensible, I suppose if you had someone with a non EU HGV type licence then it’d make sense but I’d wonder how things would pan out if the driver injured or killed someone. Would it be decided that the driver had not had suitable instruction.Plant operators need no formal certification only that they are competent and have received instruction. Or similar wording.
Unless they’ve moved the goalposts yet again, I believe you’ll find plant operators do need certification for every category of plant they operate and they have to be able to log so many hours per year for each category on their card or lose it.
What I disapprove of with these lorry based items of plant is they can go on the highway driven by operators who may have driven heaven knows how many miles to and from site plus long shifts spent pumping concrete. stick the same chassis under a haulage body and call it a lorry which would declare the operator to be called a driver who is then restricted by just about every rule and law you can think of, how the heck is that right?
BB
Red diesel is on site plant only…not for any road going vehicle, and you cant drive an 8 wheeler mixer or 6 wheeler on a car licence thats total bollox…even the concrete pumps etc has all changed, the op that said he has a lad driving his 8 wheeler on a car licence must be on drugs or just thick.
shytalk:
Red diesel is on site plant only…not for any road going vehicle, and you cant drive an 8 wheeler mixer or 6 wheeler on a car licence thats total bollox…even the concrete pumps etc has all changed, the op that said he has a lad driving his 8 wheeler on a car licence must be on drugs or just thick.
dedicated gritters run on red 
Unless they’ve moved the goalposts yet again, I believe you’ll find plant operators do need certification for every category of plant they operate and they have to be able to log so many hours per year for each category on their card or lose it.
No it’s a common misconception. Many sites will not allow operators without tickets / qualifications but they are not required legally.
A CPCS cardholder does have to log a minimum amount of hours per category to retain it though.
d4c24a:
shytalk:
Red diesel is on site plant only…not for any road going vehicle, and you cant drive an 8 wheeler mixer or 6 wheeler on a car licence thats total bollox…even the concrete pumps etc has all changed, the op that said he has a lad driving his 8 wheeler on a car licence must be on drugs or just thick.dedicated gritters run on red
Do they ? i must have put the wrong diesel in when i worked for Derbyshire district council then !
shytalk:
d4c24a:
shytalk:
Red diesel is on site plant only…not for any road going vehicle, and you cant drive an 8 wheeler mixer or 6 wheeler on a car licence thats total bollox…even the concrete pumps etc has all changed, the op that said he has a lad driving his 8 wheeler on a car licence must be on drugs or just thick.dedicated gritters run on red
Do they ? i must have put the wrong diesel in when i worked for Derbyshire district council then !
yes you did as for the 18 years i drove them up until recently the dedicated gritters ran on red , not demounts
Tractors or light agricultural vehicles — including self-propelled harvesters — used on public roads solely for agriculture, horticulture or forestry purposes, and for cutting verges, hedges or trees bordering public roads
Other vehicles, licensed for limited use, used only for agriculture, horticulture or forestry purposes and used on public roads only in passing between different areas of land occupied by the same person, providing that the distance between the two areas does not exceed 1.5km
Works trucks for carrying goods in the same way as the above, but subject to a limit of 1km between private premises occupied by different people
Mowers and agricultural engines
Snow clearing vehicles and gritters when in use or travelling to and from the place of use, clearing snow and ice from public roads
Mobile cranes and diggers when in use or travelling to and from the place of use, providing they do not carry any unnecessary load
Road construction vehicles, subject to certain conditions
All you have listed are classed as plant…and do have exemptions to travel limited distances on a public highway…correct.
Just looked this up in the FTA Yearbook of Road Transport Law.
Basically you cannot drive any type of concrete mixing truck on a car licence. Most insurers will invalidate the insurance policy for a vehicle driven by someone with the incorrect licence.
You cannot run any type of concrete mixing truck on red diesel, but you can run a specialised concrete pumping vehicle on red diesel.
A dedicated gritter and / or snowplough can be run on red diesel.
shytalk:
All you have listed are classed as plant…and do have exemptions to travel limited distances on a public highway…correct.
did you not read it fully then 
Snow clearing vehicles and gritters when in use or travelling to and from the place of use, clearing snow and ice from public roads
d4c24a:
shytalk:
All you have listed are classed as plant…and do have exemptions to travel limited distances on a public highway…correct.did you not read it fully then
Snow clearing vehicles and gritters when in use or travelling to and from the place of use, clearing snow and ice from public roads
Im on about mixers …not snow ploughs gritters, never ever …ever put red diesel in the gritter i drove for DDCC , and i can read …KNOB.
shytalk:
d4c24a:
shytalk:
All you have listed are classed as plant…and do have exemptions to travel limited distances on a public highway…correct.did you not read it fully then
Snow clearing vehicles and gritters when in use or travelling to and from the place of use, clearing snow and ice from public roads
Im on about mixers …not snow ploughs gritters, never ever …ever put red diesel in the gritter i drove for DDCC , and i can read …KNOB.
Err no ■■■■■■■■ you were talking about gritters not running on red to me ,and all that was listed is not plant sure you can read ,or cant you handle being wrong 
This vehicle was classed as ‘mobile plant’ at one stage I was told to enable it to run on red diesel. The rules changed a little in about 2005 time so it could be classed as a cherry picker / elevated access vehicle and thus in it’s own right could run on red diesel.
However, you still need the correct licence to drive it. It used to be that you could on a car licence but that was changed back in the 90s I think.
Class 2 for that truck, although ISTR the driver had a Class 1 anyway. They certainly didn’t let anyone out in that one without less than 10 years driving experience. I was only on 7.5’s in that company.
If the OP’s mate has drivers without the correct licencing to drive those vehicles then he will no doubt get a rude awakening when someone (because eventually someone will) dobs him into the authorities, and we all know that ignorance of the law is now excuse these days!