TiredAndEmotional:
eagerbeaver:
I was on about that Tiredwithoutaclue chap RobPass the pork scratchings over fatty and pay attention
Another wet behind the ears kid with a gobā¦
Itās my Mumās fault. She wonāt let me have a towel anymore because I make love to it.
robroy:
Lorn trakta:
robroy:
newmercman:
Itās not just me then robroy. It drives me up the wall, people have short memories. Lots of UK international hauliers broke every law in the book, some were downright criminals, not just going over their hours or running on red, but using stolen credit cards, counterfeit money, on the ā ā ā ā morning, noon and night, getting into punch ups and harassing the local talent and then there were those that got captured with contraband.Yet to listen to some of the moaning about the EEs, you would think that everybody drove from church to church on every trip and offered bone marrow donations at every hospital they passed.
From what Iāve seen, these EEs are a bunch of ā ā ā ā ā ā ā [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
Iāve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ātrucking careersā have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
Then they criticise guys who have driven through Gawd knows how many countries, and double manned, to find a back st. in Londonā¦ for a pittance compared to what they are getting for their fully nursemaided (if thatās even a word) day runs.
I donāt give a [zb] if I upset anybody with this, it is fact and needs said to clear the air.
Nobody is willing to speak up for anything, foreign drivers/trucks, long hours, being pushed, crap pay, unfair t.s and c.s, and a the rest of the stuff that has gradually eradicated the quality of this job since I started it many years ago, they just [zb] moan about it and have zero [zb] intention of making the slightest [zb] effort to join together and deal with it.
That is the reason that I just look after numero uno, and succeed in having a much better life in the job than many of my counterparts, if I come across as conceited on that, tough crap, do the same yourselves if it bothers you.Having a bad morning here, off to kick the cat if I had one.
Then a few pints with mates later on maybe to unwind, with the promise of not mentioning anything transport related.Oh the irony of it all, the gainsayer and those he paradoxically gainsays. Is it any wonder nothing will change when drivers follow the example of Robroy. Well done m8, I make that a direct hit with both barrels into the one foot. Now go and limp down the pub to drown your sorrows, of which you and others of your ilk are the only architects.
I admit that I do indeed look after No 1, but at least I run my own business against all competitors, standing on your own two feet isnāt how I would describe those in the employ of others, youāve just as much a nurse maid [in the shape of an employer] as all others who seek the security of a guaranteed weekly wage, whether they deliver to Morrisonās in England or Gibraltar.
Well, ā¦Congratulations for running āyour own businessā am I meant to be impressed.
ā¦go on then Iāll say I am to, just to make you happy.
As for your opinion on me, yeh you are fully entitled to it.
But two words describe itā¦Totally irrelevant.
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
Look mate if Iāve just described your career and you donāt like it, I canāt help that so donāt come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ā ā ā ā me off)
Iām just sick of all the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh Iāve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.Btw Thanks for recognising my āTrucking Godā status but please donāt kneel down in front of me in that position ā¦ ā¦I aint that kind of a guy.
My career is far more varied and exciting than you can imagine! This IS the internet after ll where we can be anything we wanna be! So Iāve done this and Iāve done that, wellā¦
Look mate you appear to be wanting a spat with me, I have already said I agree with your political views.
No offence but it comes across by your sarcasm, implying that you may be looking back and wishing you had done more, so you deal with it by having a pop at those that haveā¦(ā¦the ferry/trucking god crack for example) as I said I can not help what you have or have not done in the past, (nor tbh care) so I wonāt be a whipping boy for your perceived self shortcomings
Sorry, but have a go at somebody else, as insults never have a real effect on me both on here and real lifeā¦water off a duckās wotsit in fact.
I miss the gehaktballen that some petrol stations used to sell, next to the coffee percolatorā¦
There always seemed to be time for a quick coffee and a āballetje metā when fueling upā¦
For over 20 years ive been in business, theres been highs and lows but every year theres been a profit . This year im buying my very first new truck and as ive always done with my old used ones will be paying for it outright and this is even taking into account competition with EE companies who we do business with as well.
As RobRoy says and ive also previously mentioned, anyone not liking EE drivers making a living in the UK do something about it! Will it happen? Of course it wont, the whingers and whiners would rather spout off on a forum instead of getting off their arse and doing something proactive 
Andā¦its nearly always those that havent been further south than Travis Perkins Dover who call London to Birmingham long distanceā¦ 
Lorn trakta:
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.
Wow! 
Well Iāve certainly got under you skin mate, calm down man, go and count your tractors for a bit of therapy.
Rather than waste my time trading child like insults. Iāll just keep my dignity, which you appear to have lost btw by your āā ''cant think of anything relevant to say so Iāll go for personal jibesā¦(.tut tut ) tone in your post 
And urge you to read my last paragragh aimed at your mate who is competing this pincer movement towards me only for telling a few home truths. 
the nodding donkey:
I miss the gehaktballen that some petrol stations used to sell, next to the coffee percolatorā¦
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What those spiced meatballs?
The wife makes them, they go with mashed mixed creamed potato and carrots, follwed by Dutch fresh fruit and cream pancakesā¦Dutch delish. 
ā¦a bit like the wife.
Gives us a warm feeling in our cold council house.
robroy:
the nodding donkey:
I miss the gehaktballen that some petrol stations used to sell, next to the coffee percolatorā¦
ā¦What those spiced meatballs?
The wife makes them, they go with mashed mixed creamed potato and carrots, follwed by Dutch fresh fruit and cream pancakesā¦Dutch delish.Gives us a warm feeling in our cold council house.
The creamed potato and carrots is called hutspot. Have you tried boerekool met spek en rook worst?
robroy:
Lorn trakta:
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.Wow!
Well Iāve certainly got under you skin mate, calm down man, go and count your tractors for a bit of therapy.Rather than waste my time trading child like insults. Iāll just keep my dignity, which you appear to have lost btw by your āā ''cant think of anything relevant to say so Iāll go for personal jibesā¦(.tut tut
And urge you to read my last paragragh aimed at your mate who is competing this pincer movement towards me only for telling a few home truths.
Hmmnn. Where do I start with you Tractorman? How about thisā¦I have never met Robroy, and have no idea about the status of his abode. What I do know though is that he had the balls to set up as an owner driver and give it a go. He also seems to tell things as he seeās them, and does not seem to me at least to be the type of chap who needās acceptance off total strangers on an internet forum.
You mention derision and the lack of a brainā¦yet you then seem to imply that a council house is a symbol of failure. One of my family members rented a council house for many years, then bought it. Sold it after 2 years in an affluent area, and used the proceeds to purchase their own house which is now worth a fortune. Pretty intelligent in my view.
Your opinions regarding having balls and brains are somewhat wasted considering that I donāt believe you possess either.
robroy:
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
Look mate if Iāve just described your career and you donāt like it, I canāt help that so donāt come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ā ā ā ā me off)
Iām just sick of all the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh Iāve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.Btw Thanks for recognising my āTrucking Godā status but please donāt kneel down in front of me in that position ā¦ ā¦I aint that kind of a guy.
My career is far more varied and exciting than you can imagine! This IS the internet after ll where we can be anything we wanna be! So Iāve done this and Iāve done that, wellā¦
Look mate you appear to be wanting a spat with me, I have already said I agree with your political views.
No offence but it comes across by your sarcasm, implying that you may be looking back and wishing you had done more, so you deal with it by having a pop at those that haveā¦(ā¦the ferry/trucking god crack for example) as I said I can not help what you have or have not done in the past, (nor tbh care) so I wonāt be a whipping boy for your perceived self shortcomings
Sorry, but have a go at somebody else, as insults never have a real effect on me both on here and real lifeā¦water off a duckās wotsit in fact.
If you come out with stuff like this what do you expect? Theyāre not putting food on the table?
Iāve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ātrucking careersā have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
newmercman:
Franglais, as you say, we were among the few that used a blue book as it was intended, but we werenāt alone.Yes the lorries in Zeebrugge were tipping and loading to/from the UK, but I donāt think the Belgian traction boys were too happy about it.
I can remember retail parks starting to ban overnight parking in the 90s, long before the EE invasion, the reason was because of the mess the drivers were leaving behind, you say itās worse now, that may be the case, but it was still an issue before they came, who knows, they could have adopted a when in Rome attitude.
There is an awful lot going on here. I started on Euro work in the back end of the 80s. I still do a bit. The cowboy UK outfits running then were largely matched by the cowboy Dutch outfits and most other countries. The world was a different place, and although Ill prop up a bar with others and fondly reminisce I wouldnt want to return. The EE drivers we have now are nothing like as professional as those from that era. Most EEs from then were perfectly competent drivers. They were well paid by the standards of their own country and got on with the job properly. From talking to one of the current crop it seems they are not so well treated today. From what he was saying (a Romanian driver for a Spanish firm) the transport companies now running are only offering a little more than a domestic wage for drivers to go away. They really are cutting down on everything they can. And the standard is dropping. They are no longer the pros doing a good job we remember, but steering wheel attendants. IMHO the rest areas are dirtier now than before. There are as many or maybe more clean up crews out there but theyre losing the battle. I dont maintain all EE citizens are dirty or anything, but with less western trucks and more EE what are we to think? I dont want to be prejudiced, but I wont ignore the evidence of my own eyes in the name of P.C. The restaurants we used are closing. More trucks on the road, more drivers, but less restaurants. They cant afford to eat out as we used to. Cant blame them for wanting to send money home rather than go on the booze can we? Heres a few figures if youre interested. Its from WHO on road deaths, but may be a hint about driving standards?
https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate/
Extracting a few bits, Road Fatalities Per Hundred Thousand Vehicles.
UK 3.6
France 7.6
Germany 6.8
Poland 15.8
Hungary 20.7
Romania 31.4
Not proof positive, but a bit of a hint I`d say?
eagerbeaver:
robroy:
Lorn trakta:
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.Wow!
Well Iāve certainly got under you skin mate, calm down man, go and count your tractors for a bit of therapy.Rather than waste my time trading child like insults. Iāll just keep my dignity, which you appear to have lost btw by your āā ''cant think of anything relevant to say so Iāll go for personal jibesā¦(.tut tut
And urge you to read my last paragragh aimed at your mate who is competing this pincer movement towards me only for telling a few home truths.Hmmnn. Where do I start with you Tractorman? How about thisā¦I have never met Robroy, and have no idea about the status of his abode. What I do know though is that he had the balls to set up as an owner driver and give it a go. He also seems to tell things as he seeās them, and does not seem to me at least to be the type of chap who needās acceptance off total strangers on an internet forum.
You mention derision and the lack of a brainā¦yet you then seem to imply that a council house is a symbol of failure. One of my family members rented a council house for many years, then bought it. Sold it after 2 years in an affluent area, and used the proceeds to purchase their own house which is now worth a fortune. Pretty intelligent in my view.
Your opinions regarding having balls and brains are somewhat wasted considering that I donāt believe you possess either.
Cheers for that support EagerB, but Iāve no intention of trying to justify myself to this individual, he wonāt even see me in his league, what with him being such a high flying businessman, ā¦and me being a failed owner driver who now lives in a council house , not on an estate btw but a small row on rural fields with a lovely countryside view, (which will no doubt differ from Mr Bigās perception of a ā ā ā ā hole with a fridge and a scrap Mondeo in the front garden )
But that says a lot more about his character than mine eh? 
eagerbeaver:
robroy:
Lorn trakta:
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.Wow!
Well Iāve certainly got under you skin mate, calm down man, go and count your tractors for a bit of therapy.Rather than waste my time trading child like insults. Iāll just keep my dignity, which you appear to have lost btw by your āā ''cant think of anything relevant to say so Iāll go for personal jibesā¦(.tut tut
And urge you to read my last paragragh aimed at your mate who is competing this pincer movement towards me only for telling a few home truths.Hmmnn. Where do I start with you Tractorman? How about thisā¦I have never met Robroy, and have no idea about the status of his abode. What I do know though is that he had the balls to set up as an owner driver and give it a go. He also seems to tell things as he seeās them, and does not seem to me at least to be the type of chap who needās acceptance off total strangers on an internet forum.
You mention derision and the lack of a brainā¦yet you then seem to imply that a council house is a symbol of failure. One of my family members rented a council house for many years, then bought it. Sold it after 2 years in an affluent area, and used the proceeds to purchase their own house which is now worth a fortune. Pretty intelligent in my view.
Your opinions regarding having balls and brains are somewhat wasted considering that I donāt believe you possess either.
Yes people who run their own business and live in their own homes [that have never been council houses] are symptoms of abject failure, like your post and its intentions.
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
Look mate if Iāve just described your career and you donāt like it, I canāt help that so donāt come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ā ā ā ā me off)
Iām just sick of all the ā ā ā ā ā ā ā in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh Iāve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.Btw Thanks for recognising my āTrucking Godā status but please donāt kneel down in front of me in that position ā¦ ā¦I aint that kind of a guy.
My career is far more varied and exciting than you can imagine! This IS the internet after ll where we can be anything we wanna be! So Iāve done this and Iāve done that, wellā¦
Look mate you appear to be wanting a spat with me, I have already said I agree with your political views.
No offence but it comes across by your sarcasm, implying that you may be looking back and wishing you had done more, so you deal with it by having a pop at those that haveā¦(ā¦the ferry/trucking god crack for example) as I said I can not help what you have or have not done in the past, (nor tbh care) so I wonāt be a whipping boy for your perceived self shortcomings
Sorry, but have a go at somebody else, as insults never have a real effect on me both on here and real lifeā¦water off a duckās wotsit in fact.If you come out with stuff like this what do you expect? Theyāre not putting food on the table?
Iāve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ātrucking careersā have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
I never ever doubted they were putting food on the table, nor that they were doing their job well, that is entirely off the point, but I think you already know that anyway donāt you.
What I was questioning was, are they really qualified to make a negative judgement, or comment on a job done by foreign drivers which is much harder and challenging than the comparitively easy life they have doing a one drop Tesco and home.
Lorn trakta:
eagerbeaver:
robroy:
Lorn trakta:
You are possibly one the greatest pointers as to why UK truck drivers are so easily treated with contempt, always expecting others to do that which you havenāt the balls or brains to do yourself, you are just one of those masses you look down upon, and brainlessly deride. I little wonder why you ended up in life as a council house tenant, without a nurse maid to employ you and The State to house you what exactly are you?.Wow!
Well Iāve certainly got under you skin mate, calm down man, go and count your tractors for a bit of therapy.Rather than waste my time trading child like insults. Iāll just keep my dignity, which you appear to have lost btw by your āā ''cant think of anything relevant to say so Iāll go for personal jibesā¦(.tut tut
And urge you to read my last paragragh aimed at your mate who is competing this pincer movement towards me only for telling a few home truths.Hmmnn. Where do I start with you Tractorman? How about thisā¦I have never met Robroy, and have no idea about the status of his abode. What I do know though is that he had the balls to set up as an owner driver and give it a go. He also seems to tell things as he seeās them, and does not seem to me at least to be the type of chap who needās acceptance off total strangers on an internet forum.
You mention derision and the lack of a brainā¦yet you then seem to imply that a council house is a symbol of failure. One of my family members rented a council house for many years, then bought it. Sold it after 2 years in an affluent area, and used the proceeds to purchase their own house which is now worth a fortune. Pretty intelligent in my view.
Your opinions regarding having balls and brains are somewhat wasted considering that I donāt believe you possess either.
Yes people who run their own business and live in their own homes [that have never been council houses] are symptoms of abject failure, like your post and its intentions.
I would have another go at that one mate if I were you, just read it back and come back to us when you realise what you have just said .
And donāt be using sarcasm and irony as an excuse to regain credibility.
Weāre talking about the negative impact of a mass influx of cheap labour on terms and conditions.
TiredAndEmotional:
Weāre talking about the negative impact of a mass influx of cheap labour on terms and conditions.
So then why go around the houses (not council btw ) to have a go at me,.especially when I agree with you.
Just curious.
the nodding donkey:
robroy:
the nodding donkey:
I miss the gehaktballen that some petrol stations used to sell, next to the coffee percolatorā¦
ā¦What those spiced meatballs?
The wife makes them, they go with mashed mixed creamed potato and carrots, follwed by Dutch fresh fruit and cream pancakesā¦Dutch delish.Gives us a warm feeling in our cold council house.
The creamed potato and carrots is called hutspot. Have you tried boerekool met spek en rook worst?
Wife tells me itās a type of sausage with potato and kaleā¦ and that I donāt like it.
Loving the housewifenet theme here btw.
Itās nothing to do with running a business or not. For the record I had my own business for a number of years (not truck related), and only stopped doing it because of an unfortunate family break up.
I did not think I was better than anyone else then, just as I did not when I was homeless for a short period in my life. I was brought up in a really nice area bordering a golf course, and then lived in a mouldy flat above a shop in Northwich as a teenager before then graduating to a council flat in a very rough area of Warrington.
After that I worked every hour I could in some of the worst jobs possible so that I could get away from all the drug abuse and crime on this estate. I managed to save enough money up to get myself started in a small business, and from there got out of the estate and grew my business to such an extent that I quickly had money in my pocket and managed to buy a brand new 4 bed house in Warrington.
The thing is though Lawn Cack, I have never looked down my nose at ANYONE in life, but you do.
You come across as a sad and conceited individual, full of arrogance and self importance. Let you into a secret fellaā¦you crap out of a hole like I do. You drive a truck like I do. And you will either end up buried or burnt like I will be.
When you have little respect for others, no one will have ANY respect for you. Wake up and smell the coffee. (Chester services is highly recommended)
robroy:
I would have another go at that one mate if I were you, just read it back and come back to us when you realise what you have just said
And donāt be using sarcasm and irony as an excuse to regain credibility.
Oh I see, Iām supposed to play by your rules, well what a surprise that is.