newmercman:
True enough except that the Dutch didn’t park often. They were also fond of a drink and a punch up, big lads most of them too, best avoided when they started getting belligerent.
I have always found the Dutch lads spot on, good for a laugh and a few drinks, had some good nights out with a few.
The majority I knew spoke better English than many Brit drivers I have met 
…never had much bother with them at all.
I do get the potentially beligerent bit you are on about though, …I’m married to one.
(Not a Dutch trucker I hasten to add 
)
I remember those times well, the blue book was for EEC (now EU) tramping and several of the firms I was on had those.
Then there was also the green book, called an ECMT permit, which allowed you to do the same as the blue book, but there were more countries as members. This meant that you could go further afield.
I quite often did groupage from Italy to either Norway or Sweden (via Austria and a ferry from DDR,) which you couldn’t do with a blue book.
We had an interesting discussion on here about ‘open’ TIR too.
I can’t help agreeing with robroy’s very valid points in his two posts just above. 
newmercman:
True enough except that the Dutch didn’t park often. They were also fond of a drink and a punch up, big lads most of them too, best avoided when they started getting belligerent.
Oh is it?
Yes, having lacked the arrogance that comes with owning half the planet, the Dutch became masters at the next best thing. Belligerence… 
By the way, it’s your round. Hic. 
the nodding donkey:
newmercman:
True enough except that the Dutch didn’t park often. They were also fond of a drink and a punch up, big lads most of them too, best avoided when they started getting belligerent.
Oh is it?
Yes, having lacked the arrogance that comes with owning half the planet, the Dutch became masters at the next best thing. Belligerence…
By the way, it’s your round. Hic.
That’s typical of you. 
He got the last ones in and me before him.
robroy:
newmercman:
It’s not just me then robroy. It drives me up the wall, people have short memories. Lots of UK international hauliers broke every law in the book, some were downright criminals, not just going over their hours or running on red, but using stolen credit cards, counterfeit money, on the ■■■■ morning, noon and night, getting into punch ups and harassing the local talent and then there were those that got captured with contraband.
Yet to listen to some of the moaning about the EEs, you would think that everybody drove from church to church on every trip and offered bone marrow donations at every hospital they passed.
From what I’ve seen, these EEs are a bunch of ■■■■■■■ [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
I’ve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ‘trucking careers’ have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
Then they criticise guys who have driven through Gawd knows how many countries, and double manned, to find a back st. in London… for a pittance compared to what they are getting for their fully nursemaided (if that’s even a word) day runs.
I don’t give a [zb] if I upset anybody with this, it is fact and needs said to clear the air.
Nobody is willing to speak up for anything, foreign drivers/trucks, long hours, being pushed, crap pay, unfair t.s and c.s, and a the rest of the stuff that has gradually eradicated the quality of this job since I started it many years ago, they just [zb] moan about it and have zero [zb] intention of making the slightest [zb] effort to join together and deal with it.
That is the reason that I just look after numero uno, and succeed in having a much better life in the job than many of my counterparts, if I come across as conceited on that, tough crap, do the same yourselves if it bothers you.
Having a bad morning here, off to kick the cat if I had one.
Then a few pints with mates later on maybe to unwind, with the promise of not mentioning anything transport related.
So you’ve been on a ferry big ■■■■■■■ deal! Trucking God I kneel before thee! You talk about people joining unions and people speaking up, well we had a referendum and people spoke up and they showed what they want. If you step back a bit and read the more thoughtful posts you’ll see that generally the blame is not attached to guys from the EU scratching a living. It’s the EU system that’s flawed but it’s unfortunate that a well intentioned part of that system i.e. freedom of movement means unlimited numbers coming from areas of high unemployment to other places where some work is available. So effectively we’re importing their unemployment. That’s the sort of stroke that makes it a dog eat dog world. Anybody who lives in the real world could see the downside of total freedom of movement but of course the ■■■■■ who draft legislation like this live in cloud cuckoo land. That’s where the real blame lies for this mess. There is much going on in the modern world never mind the EU that might make this discussion seem like a flea bite on an elephants arse! I have a feeling it’s not going to get any better.
That is the reason I look after numero uno!
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
robroy:
newmercman:
It’s not just me then robroy. It drives me up the wall, people have short memories. Lots of UK international hauliers broke every law in the book, some were downright criminals, not just going over their hours or running on red, but using stolen credit cards, counterfeit money, on the ■■■■ morning, noon and night, getting into punch ups and harassing the local talent and then there were those that got captured with contraband.
Yet to listen to some of the moaning about the EEs, you would think that everybody drove from church to church on every trip and offered bone marrow donations at every hospital they passed.
From what I’ve seen, these EEs are a bunch of ■■■■■■■ [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
I’ve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ‘trucking careers’ have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
Then they criticise guys who have driven through Gawd knows how many countries, and double manned, to find a back st. in London… for a pittance compared to what they are getting for their fully nursemaided (if that’s even a word) day runs.
I don’t give a [zb] if I upset anybody with this, it is fact and needs said to clear the air.
Nobody is willing to speak up for anything, foreign drivers/trucks, long hours, being pushed, crap pay, unfair t.s and c.s, and a the rest of the stuff that has gradually eradicated the quality of this job since I started it many years ago, they just [zb] moan about it and have zero [zb] intention of making the slightest [zb] effort to join together and deal with it.
That is the reason that I just look after numero uno, and succeed in having a much better life in the job than many of my counterparts, if I come across as conceited on that, tough crap, do the same yourselves if it bothers you.
Having a bad morning here, off to kick the cat if I had one.
Then a few pints with mates later on maybe to unwind, with the promise of not mentioning anything transport related.
Oh the irony of it all, the gainsayer and those he paradoxically gainsays. Is it any wonder nothing will change when drivers follow the example of Robroy. Well done m8, I make that a direct hit with both barrels into the one foot. Now go and limp down the pub to drown your sorrows, of which you and others of your ilk are the only architects.
I admit that I do indeed look after No 1, but at least I run my own business against all competitors, standing on your own two feet isn’t how I would describe those in the employ of others, you’ve just as much a nurse maid [in the shape of an employer] as all others who seek the security of a guaranteed weekly wage, whether they deliver to Morrison’s in England or Gibraltar.
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Bit early to be on the pop?
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Are you quoting me or Robroy? Cos’ it might make a difference… 
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
newmercman:
It’s not just me then robroy. It drives me up the wall, people have short memories. Lots of UK international hauliers broke every law in the book, some were downright criminals, not just going over their hours or running on red, but using stolen credit cards, counterfeit money, on the ■■■■ morning, noon and night, getting into punch ups and harassing the local talent and then there were those that got captured with contraband.
Yet to listen to some of the moaning about the EEs, you would think that everybody drove from church to church on every trip and offered bone marrow donations at every hospital they passed.
From what I’ve seen, these EEs are a bunch of ■■■■■■■ [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
I’ve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ‘trucking careers’ have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
Then they criticise guys who have driven through Gawd knows how many countries, and double manned, to find a back st. in London… for a pittance compared to what they are getting for their fully nursemaided (if that’s even a word) day runs.
I don’t give a [zb] if I upset anybody with this, it is fact and needs said to clear the air.
Nobody is willing to speak up for anything, foreign drivers/trucks, long hours, being pushed, crap pay, unfair t.s and c.s, and a the rest of the stuff that has gradually eradicated the quality of this job since I started it many years ago, they just [zb] moan about it and have zero [zb] intention of making the slightest [zb] effort to join together and deal with it.
That is the reason that I just look after numero uno, and succeed in having a much better life in the job than many of my counterparts, if I come across as conceited on that, tough crap, do the same yourselves if it bothers you.
Having a bad morning here, off to kick the cat if I had one.
Then a few pints with mates later on maybe to unwind, with the promise of not mentioning anything transport related.
So you’ve been on a ferry big [zb] deal! Trucking God I kneel before thee! You talk about people joining unions and people speaking up, well we had a referendum and people spoke up and they showed what they want. If you step back a bit and read the more thoughtful posts you’ll see that generally the blame is not attached to guys from the EU scratching a living. It’s the EU system that’s flawed but it’s unfortunate that a well intentioned part of that system i.e. freedom of movement means unlimited numbers coming from areas of high unemployment to other places where some work is available. So effectively we’re importing their unemployment. That’s the sort of stroke that makes it a dog eat dog world. Anybody who lives in the real world could see the downside of total freedom of movement but of course the [zb] who draft legislation like this live in cloud cuckoo land. That’s where the real blame lies for this mess. There is much going on in the modern world never mind the EU that might make this discussion seem like a flea bite on an elephants arse! I have a feeling it’s not going to get any better.
That is the reason I look after numero uno!
Look mate if I’ve just described your career and you don’t like it, I can’t help that so don’t come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ■■■■ me off)
I’m just sick of all the ■■■■■■■ in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh I’ve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.
Btw Thanks for recognising my ‘Trucking God’ status but please don’t kneel down in front of me in that position … …I aint that kind of a guy.
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Bit early to be on the pop?
Just getting sick of all this " I’m doing great thanks " ■■■■■■■■ Mule.
What a bunch of weak and selfish bellends we have in our own ranks FFS. My job’s a cracker though
Lorn trakta:
robroy:
newmercman:
It’s not just me then robroy. It drives me up the wall, people have short memories. Lots of UK international hauliers broke every law in the book, some were downright criminals, not just going over their hours or running on red, but using stolen credit cards, counterfeit money, on the ■■■■ morning, noon and night, getting into punch ups and harassing the local talent and then there were those that got captured with contraband.
Yet to listen to some of the moaning about the EEs, you would think that everybody drove from church to church on every trip and offered bone marrow donations at every hospital they passed.
From what I’ve seen, these EEs are a bunch of ■■■■■■■ [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]
I’ve said many times on here that many of the ones who do all the shouting about this stuff have never been anywhere (or dared to go) south of Dover.
Their ‘trucking careers’ have consisted of monotonous daily timed deliveries to Tescos and Travis Perkins, with their sat navs (that they can not find their own arse holes without using) all done with driving in their pristine hi viz, and then home to bed.
Then they criticise guys who have driven through Gawd knows how many countries, and double manned, to find a back st. in London… for a pittance compared to what they are getting for their fully nursemaided (if that’s even a word) day runs.
I don’t give a [zb] if I upset anybody with this, it is fact and needs said to clear the air.
Nobody is willing to speak up for anything, foreign drivers/trucks, long hours, being pushed, crap pay, unfair t.s and c.s, and a the rest of the stuff that has gradually eradicated the quality of this job since I started it many years ago, they just [zb] moan about it and have zero [zb] intention of making the slightest [zb] effort to join together and deal with it.
That is the reason that I just look after numero uno, and succeed in having a much better life in the job than many of my counterparts, if I come across as conceited on that, tough crap, do the same yourselves if it bothers you.
Having a bad morning here, off to kick the cat if I had one.
Then a few pints with mates later on maybe to unwind, with the promise of not mentioning anything transport related.
Oh the irony of it all, the gainsayer and those he paradoxically gainsays. Is it any wonder nothing will change when drivers follow the example of Robroy. Well done m8, I make that a direct hit with both barrels into the one foot. Now go and limp down the pub to drown your sorrows, of which you and others of your ilk are the only architects.
I admit that I do indeed look after No 1, but at least I run my own business against all competitors, standing on your own two feet isn’t how I would describe those in the employ of others, you’ve just as much a nurse maid [in the shape of an employer] as all others who seek the security of a guaranteed weekly wage, whether they deliver to Morrison’s in England or Gibraltar.
Well, …Congratulations for running ‘your own business’ am I meant to be impressed. 
…go on then I’ll say I am to, just to make you happy.
As for your opinion on me, yeh you are fully entitled to it.
But two words describe it…Totally irrelevant.
eagerbeaver:
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Bit early to be on the pop?
Just getting sick of all this " I’m doing great thanks " ■■■■■■■■ Mule.
What a bunch of weak and selfish bellends we have in our own ranks FFS. My job’s a cracker though
You’ve walked into the wrong pub mate… we’re reminiscing about Euro work here.
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Bit early to be on the pop?
Just getting sick of all this " I’m doing great thanks " ■■■■■■■■ Mule.
What a bunch of weak and selfish bellends we have in our own ranks FFS. My job’s a cracker though
You’ve walked into the wrong pub mate… we’re reminiscing about Euro work here.
I went to St Malo once on a school trip
eagerbeaver:
the nodding donkey:
eagerbeaver:
" …look after numero uno…" Yet another thread with the “I’m alright Jack element”
Anyone else ever watched a crisp packet being blown around in the wind?
Bit early to be on the pop?
Just getting sick of all this " I’m doing great thanks " ■■■■■■■■ Mule.
What a bunch of weak and selfish bellends we have in our own ranks FFS. My job’s a cracker though
I’m surprised you’re having a pop at me beav tbh, but that’s up to you.
But believe me I’ve tried countless times with our lot to try and motivate something, but it’s like ■■■■■■■ against the wind.
Cameras, ridiculous start times when a Sun run was being saved on, general bs, and lot of other examples which I can’t be arsed to try and recall,…but no, same re.action every time moan about it but do ■■■■ all, then just accept it…and continue to moan.
So what should I do, join the ranks of the ■■■■ walking dead and just bend down and then roll over, or try and make things easier for myself.
Please do tell me.
I was on about that Tiredwithoutaclue chap Rob
Pass the pork scratchings over fatty and pay attention
robroy:
Look mate if I’ve just described your career and you don’t like it, I can’t help that so don’t come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ■■■■ me off)
I’m just sick of all the ■■■■■■■ in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh I’ve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.
Btw Thanks for recognising my ‘Trucking God’ status but please don’t kneel down in front of me in that position … …I aint that kind of a guy.
My career is far more varied and exciting than you can imagine! This IS the internet after ll where we can be anything we wanna be! So I’ve done this and I’ve done that, well…
TiredAndEmotional:
robroy:
Look mate if I’ve just described your career and you don’t like it, I can’t help that so don’t come on here giving me a hard time, and trying (and failing btw to ■■■■ me off)
I’m just sick of all the ■■■■■■■ in the wind and all mouth with no action.
As it is I agree with most of your political views stated, I was just speaking against drivers blaming other drivers for all the crap that goes on in this job, instead of at least trying to improve things themselves.
Yeh I’ve been on ferries including the Woolwich one, but the best by far is the Windermere one in the Lake District, you get a far better class of person on there I find.
Btw Thanks for recognising my ‘Trucking God’ status but please don’t kneel down in front of me in that position … …I aint that kind of a guy.
My career is far more varied and exciting than you can imagine! This IS the internet after ll where we can be anything we wanna be! So I’ve done this and I’ve done that, well…
If you can be anything you want to be, why have you chosen to be a ■■■■?
eagerbeaver:
I was on about that Tiredwithoutaclue chap Rob
Pass the pork scratchings over fatty and pay attention
Another wet behind the ears kid with a gob…