Race Trucker:
As above… DVLA mistake. To have D they must have taken a proper test, hence that should remove a 101 restriction on the D1 if I’m not up the wrong tree? You only normally see 101 when D1 or C1 is the highest entitlement on the licence, as anything above overrides it.
If its not a ■■■■ up, he can drive a small manual for fun, but can drive any auto for work.
The reason for this I think is that if a driver ‘loses’ his vocational entitlement to drive Cat. D (maybe his medical is not renewed, or not passed - for instance) he could still drive minibuses - not for hire & reward (restriction 101). I think that makes sense■■?
Whilst he holds Cat D. he may still drive auto. minibuses (restriction 78) for hire & reward.
As a footnote…his D1 restriction 101 is usually valid until 70th birthday…another reason it remains on a driver’s licence with added Vocational entitlements. The Vocational entitlements need renewing prior to this (medical, DCPC…). We had a situation where a C+E driver did his 35 hours & his DQC only had Cat. C group of entitlements…no D1(101). When he queried it we discovered this is not a ‘Vocational entitlement’ (unlike C1) therefore NOT part of DCPC requirements. Although I read a few days ago that drivers with D1(101) maybe coming under DCPC Periodic Training to satisfy there ‘in-scope’ operations (school internal transport, community, voluntary) ■■? Anyone know anything regarding this matter■■? (maybe needs a new thread?)
Actually, the PCV D comes into effect when there are 17 seat if it is 15 plus driver he can then drive it if it is 17 seats no … as for the Hire and reward that will be covered by his PCV D entitlement … look it up on the DVLA website or call them they will clarify it for you so I would say yes he can driver a 16 seater midi bus!
discoman:
Actually, the PCV D comes into effect when there are 17 seat if it is 15 plus driver he can then drive it if it is 17 seats no … as for the Hire and reward that will be covered by his PCV D entitlement … look it up on the DVLA website or call them they will clarify it for you so I would say yes he can driver a 16 seater midi bus!
I think you missed the point - the driver has AUTO D and D1 but the minibus is MANUAL D1
Some teachers are going through dcpc because the nature of using the minibus is where students specifically pay for using it
I think JLD driver training has just done the dcpc training for some college tutors
The whole thing has always been a shambles! The teachers who have done the dcpc will receive a DQC showing C CE unless they’ve actually passed a D1 test. This is because the training will “attach” itself to the appropriate licence category. Now this is fine - except there’s no cover for D and D1 and the training wont register at all if it’s a passenger specific course as there is no licence for it to go for.
You now have the interesting case of minibus drivers employed by, say, colleges for inter-campus transfers. The driving is their main occupation and yet they have been allowed to use a “grandfather rights” D1 with 101. But now they should have driver cpc as they are driving professionally. (Don’t see how anyone can say they are not). But, as I said above, the DQC will only show C CE and nothing for passengers.
I read recently that they are going to allow drivers in this category to sit the periodic training. And if that doesn’t make a nonsense of the whole thing, I’m not sure what does! But, until such time, they are IMO illegal. They are currently driving with no acquired rights for passenger cpc and this continues past the Sept 10th deadline - which doesn’t actually make any difference to these drivers.
Even more interesting to consider that, subject to certain conditions, a teacher can drive a minibus full of your kids and grandkids on a CAT B (car) licence. What do they do about driver cpc? Nothing of course.
We’ve always subscribed to the crazy idea that you’re only entitled to be driven by a properly qualified driver if you’re paying money. Unless this changes, there will always be minibuses piled up on the motorway. Hope to God my kids and grandkids aren’t involved.
Those tutors doing a dcpc course have all passed the PCV D1 test and are not doing dcpc for D1 101 and from the little I know they are not doing it for the sept deadline
If the minibus is operated under a section 19 permit then the driver does not need dcpc.
If it has an operators licence then the driver needs dcpc
Yes under certain circumstances the driver can drive a minibus licence on a car licence. I would say that a school teacher could not use this exemption as one of the criteria is that you are driving on a voluntary basis. How can it be voluntary if it is in school time and the teacher is being paid!
I have had some very interesting conversations with head teachers and cannot believe some of their attitudes to training and chance it and let teachers drive minibuses without a d1 licence at all!
In some places in Scotland the mini=buses can only be driven by holders of qualification called M.I.D.A.S.in Perthshire its done in-house the tester is one of the school caretakers.I know some bus drivers have applied to use the vehicles and been told not without MIDAS even though they have a higher qualification.
