As Rog said there’s nothing after a test,if they want to improve driving put a secondary test 6months after passing the initial make it easy as we can test.
If they pass the second test insurance goes down if they don’t tuff insurance gets a large didn’t learn anything coz I’m a numpty premium.
The problem runs far deeper than the test in my view. People are the problem.
Vast majority don’t give a flying one about anyone or anything apart from themselves. Cut someone up at the roundabout? Tough crap.
In the wrong lane? So what. Not ready to go on a green light? Deal with it.
An increase in population and vehicles combined with a decrease in respect. Bad combination 
youtube.com/watch?v=xGfLNqjh4j0
This is what the test should be like.
[zb] you guys with your nanny state ideas lol.
Edit: I’d like to add that I don’t think I have ever reversed a car around a corner apart from on my driving test. So I can understand why they would scrap it.
switchlogic:
Good idea. Testing needs to move with the times. People need to be taught that the satnav isn’t the holy grail and doesn’t override Road signs or common sense etc. Could Mark a big improvement.
Perhaps. But we all know that most sensible things people are told when learning to drive get binned the moment they are let loose on their own. Indicating, lane discipline, using mirrors, keeping your distance etc. etc. etc.
Increasing widespread use of sat navs can only serve to further erode the quality of driving on our roads, as they don’t encourage people to look further down the road than the end of their bonnets. People aren’t going to heed advice about looking at road signs & the road ahead when they are constantly in a state of feeling otherwise lost because they don’t know where they are going, they will just blindly follow the sat nav in desperation. We see plenty of our lot doing it & we are given good advice about using sat navs properly all of the time.
I’d rather the independent driving element of the test as it stands was ramped up & made more difficult. You shouldn’t get given turn by turn directions at any point in the test, rather things like “follow the road to the next roundabout and take the exit for the A46” and “follow the road for about a mile then turn left at the church”. Get people looking down the road!
Its gone a bit to far, there was a stage when i went by the sat nav and when i got to where i was there was no way i could get back to where i would like to because i would not have a clue how i got there in the first place, why because i would not be looking at road signs or junctions and would not have a clue where i was, its a fools convenience and over time you will lose all awareness of were you are.
If you go by a map or just by asking you learn a lot more and the brain works a lot better, just dont tell the A to B drivers that they might discover they have a brain
Oh great. So now they’re going to teach people to drive in to parking spaces instead of reversing in.
This is one of my pet hates. Especially when a hatchback, or even worse, a 4x4, pulls in next to you and you can’t see past the back of their vehicle to pull out.
And the amount of spastics I see reversing off their drives on to a fast flowing main road is unreal.
eagerbeaver:
The problem runs far deeper than the test in my view. People are the problem.Vast majority don’t give a flying one about anyone or anything apart from themselves. Cut someone up at the roundabout? Tough crap.
In the wrong lane? So what. Not ready to go on a green light? Deal with it.An increase in population and vehicles combined with a decrease in respect. Bad combination
Nail hit on head.
nightline:
Its gone a bit to far, there was a stage when i went by the sat nav and when i got to where i was there was no way i could get back to where i would like to because i would not have a clue how i got there in the first place, why because i would not be looking at road signs or junctions and would not have a clue where i was, its a fools convenience and over time you will lose all awareness of were you are.
If you go by a map or just by asking you learn a lot more and the brain works a lot better, just dont tell the A to B drivers that they might discover they have a brain
I must admit to being guilty of this. Although proper road-reading skills don’t go away. Last time I drove to Scandinavia my phone ‘failed’ up by the German/Danish crossing (turns out it actually ran out of data), and I couldn’t find the piece of paper with the route numbers on. Suddenly found myself with no way to call for help, work out where I was, or keep an eye on how much money I had. Like I say, you don’t lose the skills, and I found my way to Goteburg by signs before I realised why my phone had stopped navigating me.
AndrewG:
This has just got to be a wind up from Viz mag or some sort. A sat nav ffs, anyone can do that?? I suppose trying to teach some of the divs we have on the roads how to read a map would be too much of a challenge.
Plenty of stories of people in the news who have blindly followed Satnavs coming a cropper so this would teach them not to follow them verbatim but to exercise common sense.
Nobody uses maps to navigate on the road anymore except knuckle draggers. Unless you go hiking or you’re in the military there is no need to be able to map read, certainly not when driving.
I’m against a driving test of ‘x’ months or multiple tests/ progressive access or whatever you want to call it.
I took my motorbike test on a 1 litre motorcycle restricted and 2 years later I done the exact same thing just unrestricted. What did I learn? nothing. The entire thing was just a way to grab more money.
If they make it stupidly hard to get then they should also make all current drivers take the tests again and not get grandfather rights.
Edit: I think there should be a medical though before you get your provisional licence.
Conor:
AndrewG:
This has just got to be a wind up from Viz mag or some sort. A sat nav ffs, anyone can do that?? I suppose trying to teach some of the divs we have on the roads how to read a map would be too much of a challenge.Plenty of stories of people in the news who have blindly followed Satnavs coming a cropper so this would teach them not to follow them verbatim but to exercise common sense.
Nobody uses maps to navigate on the road anymore except knuckle draggers. Unless you go hiking or you’re in the military there is no need to be able to map read, certainly not when driving.
Shows how much you know, you complete fud. 
You were agency for 2 decades, you utter failure.
A.
Conor:
AndrewG:
This has just got to be a wind up from Viz mag or some sort. A sat nav ffs, anyone can do that?? I suppose trying to teach some of the divs we have on the roads how to read a map would be too much of a challenge.Plenty of stories of people in the news who have blindly followed Satnavs coming a cropper so this would teach them not to follow them verbatim but to exercise common sense.
Nobody uses maps to navigate on the road anymore except knuckle draggers. Unless you go hiking or you’re in the military there is no need to be able to map read, certainly not when driving.
Except when the roads closed with no diversion marked and the satnav keeps directing you through the closure.
Conor:
AndrewG:
This has just got to be a wind up from Viz mag or some sort. A sat nav ffs, anyone can do that?? I suppose trying to teach some of the divs we have on the roads how to read a map would be too much of a challenge.Plenty of stories of people in the news who have blindly followed Satnavs coming a cropper so this would teach them not to follow them verbatim but to exercise common sense.
Nobody uses maps to navigate on the road anymore except knuckle draggers. Unless you go hiking or you’re in the military there is no need to be able to map read, certainly not when driving.
Here’s a little sat nav story, several weeks ago my daughter and 2 of her mates set off from Bristol to go to Cardiff to watch some band so I give her car a quick going over (oil, coolant,tyre pressures etc) and off she goes with the message of “text when you get there”.
Anyway 2 hours later nothing so Mrs BB and I are a little apprehensive but then a phone call saying " it took nearly 2 hours to get I don’t know where we went but I remember seeing signs for Gloucester City Centre, she’d somehow had the avoid toll roads box ticked on her sat nav so therefore went via Gloucester oh well she said saved on the bridge toll !!
Kids !!
I recently had a van I purchased delivered from Carlisle to Matlock where I live, it took the chap eight hours via his satnav. He remembered going through Accrington, around Sheffield twice (!) and then Bolsover, he finally reached Matlock via Alfreton? He was an ex HGV driver as well.
Pete.
windrush:
I recently had a van I purchased delivered from Carlisle to Matlock where I live, it took the chap eight hours via his satnav. He remembered going through Accrington, around Sheffield twice (!) and then Bolsover, he finally reached Matlock via Alfreton?Pete.
did he go via Brum ?
blue estate:
windrush:
I recently had a van I purchased delivered from Carlisle to Matlock where I live, it took the chap eight hours via his satnav. He remembered going through Accrington, around Sheffield twice (!) and then Bolsover, he finally reached Matlock via Alfreton?Pete.
No he actually missed Brum out, possibly because he wont use motorways!
Pete.
I think it’s not a bad thing, not a fan of Sat nav, but is more about distraction.
Most accidents with young people are caused by distraction.
Also if they are anything as my sister in law, she takes with the sat nav twice as long, as soon as the sat nav tells her to turn left or right, she immediately turned.
Causing the sat nav in the end becoming suicidal.
They should also do the test with some garage sound playing on full blast (that’s what most of the youth will do when they pas.