ROG:
The main problem is not the basic test but post test where there is … nothing
That’s maybe the whole problem Rog.
The training criteria is ‘‘How to pass a test’’ not ‘‘How to drive’’
What do you reckon as an instructor?
robroy:
ROG:
The main problem is not the basic test but post test where there is … nothingThat’s maybe the whole problem Rog.
The training criteria is ‘‘How to pass a test’’ not ‘‘How to drive’’
What do you reckon as an instructor?
You can only teach so much in a certain time frame
What is needed is a much longer time frame which means introducing graduated licencing which perhaps spans up to a five year period
The longer the period the more time there is for good driving habits to become the norm
Regular assessments - not tests - are also needed throughout a drivers life to check that they are still driving safely but more importantly to get them to think again about their driving
ROG:
The main problem is not the basic test but post test where there is … nothing
It needs “staging” first test is like a permission to go solo for 3 months. Then after all the experience gained durine those 3 months, a second test to a higher standard. Insurance companies and hauliers would be keen to employ provisional passes wouldn`t they, and the candidates would love doing two tests and paying twice.
Or maybe not.
ROG:
robroy:
ROG:
The main problem is not the basic test but post test where there is … nothingThat’s maybe the whole problem Rog.
The training criteria is ‘‘How to pass a test’’ not ‘‘How to drive’’
What do you reckon as an instructor?You can only teach so much in a certain time frame
What is needed is a much longer time frame which means introducing graduated licencing which perhaps spans up to a five year period
The longer the period the more time there is for good driving habits to become the norm
Regular assessments - not tests - are also needed throughout a drivers life to check that they are still driving safely but more importantly to get them to think again about their driving
A practical DCPC ?
Yes, but it`ll cost money and unless it is a test and so fail-able, what is the point? A good idea in principal, but in the real world?
Basic test would be pass/fail but compulsory assessments would be simply to see if safe driving was being done with the option of referring back to basic training and test should the need arise
To get an idea of what I mean in practice a driver could take the FREE advanced driving assessment
ROG:
Basic test would be pass/fail but compulsory assessments would be simply to see if safe driving was being done with the option of referring back to basic training and test should the need ariseTo get an idea of what I mean in practice a driver could take the FREE advanced driving assessment
As soon as anything is compulsory itll be a (rising) cost. Enough drivers moan about the existing DCPC already. Maybe if it was tougher, and actually had some teeth it would make all who pass more respected, and even better paid? Maybe Im guilty of wishful thinking in that last bit though.
I’m with Rog up to a point on periodic assessments, but for everybody? I aint so sure.
What if you have a clean licence, virtually no minor scrapes for years, with an excellent driving record…, would that guy have to rock up behind Billy Bigbollocks who habitually drives like a ■■■■ in his V8 Scania, causing daily mayhem, and constantly on maximum licence points?
Also why do the powers that be think it’s essential to do periodic training for the farce that is the DCPC ■■■■■■■■, but not for driving a 44 tonner on the road.
Btw not casting aspersions on Scania V8 drivers. 
robroy:
I’m with Rog up to a point on periodic assessments, but for everybody? I aint so sure.
What if you have a clean licence, virtually no minor scrapes for years, with an excellent driving record…, would that guy have to rock up behind Billy Bigbollocks who habitually drives like a [zb] in his V8 Scania, causing daily mayhem, and constantly on maximum licence points?Also why do the powers that be think it’s essential to do periodic training for the farce that is the DCPC ■■■■■■■■, but not for driving a 44 tonner on the road.
Btw not casting aspersions on Scania V8 drivers.
I see what you mean,but how to know who needs to be Assessed? A Pre-Assessment, Assessment to sort `em out?
Franglais:
robroy:
I’m with Rog up to a point on periodic assessments, but for everybody? I aint so sure.
What if you have a clean licence, virtually no minor scrapes for years, with an excellent driving record…, would that guy have to rock up behind Billy Bigbollocks who habitually drives like a [zb] in his V8 Scania, causing daily mayhem, and constantly on maximum licence points?Also why do the powers that be think it’s essential to do periodic training for the farce that is the DCPC ■■■■■■■■, but not for driving a 44 tonner on the road.
Btw not casting aspersions on Scania V8 drivers.
I see what you mean,but how to know who needs to be Assessed? A Pre-Assessment, Assessment to sort `em out?
Licence and driving record like I said.
robroy:
Franglais:
robroy:
I’m with Rog up to a point on periodic assessments, but for everybody? I aint so sure.
What if you have a clean licence, virtually no minor scrapes for years, with an excellent driving record…, would that guy have to rock up behind Billy Bigbollocks who habitually drives like a [zb] in his V8 Scania, causing daily mayhem, and constantly on maximum licence points?Also why do the powers that be think it’s essential to do periodic training for the farce that is the DCPC ■■■■■■■■, but not for driving a 44 tonner on the road.
Btw not casting aspersions on Scania V8 drivers.
I see what you mean,but how to know who needs to be Assessed? A Pre-Assessment, Assessment to sort `em out?
Licence and driving record like I said.
So, we have a ban after 12 points? Maybe a compulsory assessment after, say 6 points? Could work well two ways: weed out the muppets before they kill anyone, and/or re-educate those who are slipping down somehow?
The world is going mad ffs 
The idea of periodic assessments done in own vehicle for about 1 hour so the cost is minimum would be to make drivers THINK about their own driving - that is what is lacking
So long as they teach people to mute their sat nav and use it like you’d use the minimap in GTA. So many times I see people swerving from lane to lane because the sat nav is probably saying ‘turn left’ ‘turn right’ ‘turn right’ etc, where they could simply see the path ahead and choose an appropriate lane. And it’d be useful if they taught people to ■■■■ off their rear view mirror and reverse using door mirrors. I’m bored of being sat infront of someone in a Honda Jazz on a single track lane constantly shunting to reposition their car cause they’re reversing using the rear view.
ROG:
The idea of periodic assessments done in own vehicle for about 1 hour so the cost is minimum would be to make drivers THINK about their own driving - that is what is lacking
As it stands the last thing we need is a training regime that isn’t fit for purpose ( brakes to slow gears to go for example ) re affirming its stupid driving ideas.
While the idea that the test now panders to drivers not having a clue regards knowing where they are going,in addition to not being able to drive something with a proper gearbox,is even more laughable.On that note if we want drivers to ‘think’ then the regime wouldn’t be pushing the idea of sat nav use bearing in mind that I’d fail the new test because I’ve never used one,don’t know how to use one and don’t need/want to use one.
In which case at least why not just make the sat nav part of the test for those that need/intend to use them.In a similar way that if someone has no intention of driving a manual they can just do an auto test.
ROG:
The idea of periodic assessments done in own vehicle for about 1 hour so the cost is minimum would be to make drivers THINK about their own driving - that is what is lacking
OK, I see what you mean.
Yep, it`d probably make a halfway conscientious driver review and improve his/her driving.
Maybe driving alone too often makes us blind to our own faults?
Some would not listen to any constructive criticism, of course, but then, they are beyond help already.
Franglais:
ROG:
The idea of periodic assessments done in own vehicle for about 1 hour so the cost is minimum would be to make drivers THINK about their own driving - that is what is lackingOK, I see what you mean.
Yep, it`d probably make a halfway conscientious driver review and improve his/her driving.
Maybe driving alone too often makes us blind to our own faults?
Some would not listen to any constructive criticism, of course, but then, they are beyond help already.
The way to do an assessment is not to criticise but to point out alternatives and then let the driver decide
ROG:
Franglais:
ROG:
The idea of periodic assessments done in own vehicle for about 1 hour so the cost is minimum would be to make drivers THINK about their own driving - that is what is lackingOK, I see what you mean.
Yep, it`d probably make a halfway conscientious driver review and improve his/her driving.
Maybe driving alone too often makes us blind to our own faults?
Some would not listen to any constructive criticism, of course, but then, they are beyond help already.The way to do an assessment is not to criticise but to point out alternatives and then let the driver decide
Very diplomatic!
Pointing out even a glaring fault, however politely, to some of the more sensitive souls who drive trucks would ensure a verbal, if not physical, punch-up.
Glaring fault - say to driver - do you think WE could have done that a little differently? - and do it with smile on face
Good idea. Testing needs to move with the times. People need to be taught that the satnav isn’t the holy grail and doesn’t override Road signs or common sense etc. Could Mark a big improvement
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Right well after reading the .gov on this earlier it states that the sat navigation will be set up and provided by the examiner. The sat navigation will be used in 1 in 5 of tests.
The 3 point turn and the reverse around the corner must be taught by the instructor during lessons.
On the test the learner must reverse in/out of a bay. Also must parallel park and must be able to reverse 2 car lengths and rejoin traffic. The independent drive has been increased from 10 min to 20 min.
My personal thought is that on a test all of the above should be proved. The increased independent drive should hopefully sort out a lot the dross as being able to keep a lid on it for 10 min not to hard, 20 min will show up more faults.
Why gov can’t make as hard to pass as it was pre 97 god knows as retesting most post 97 would remove a lot of shocking drivers.