Franglais:
shullbit:
DickyNick:
It takes a lot of force to make something heavy that’s not on wheels shift. On old trucks back in the so called golden age there probably wasn’t enough braking force from the truck to actually create a harsh enough brake to send something heavy flying forward. A modern truck can brake hard enough to shift a load so DVSA would probably say no to your question. Your never going to accelerate hard enough forward to create enough force to shift a heavy load backwards, and as long as you don’t corner too fast again you aren’t create enough Gs to send a heavy load sideways. In fact your much more likely to shift a light load with normal driving than you are a heavy load as it takes less G forces to shift something light than it does to shift something heavy.Dubious
Dubious?
You are being very polite!
Well I ain’t polite, he’s talking pure ■■■■■■■■. 
Indeed, you’d not want to be behind a Leyland/Scammell Constructor that jammed the brakes on hard in even the most modern lorries.
That pic above gives you the heebie jeebies, hopefully it slid past the driver leaving him relatively unscathed, but i bet every millisecond of that event is etched forever into his memory 
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Yorkielad:
Yes you can.
No it won’t be legal in the eyes of Vosa.
Everything is ratchet or XL restraints now, doesn’t matter if produce has been hauled from A to B for decades on a dolly safely it’s there way or else…
Highways agency have multiple 4x4’s up and down the network picking Up knackered ratchet straps off the carriageways because there better
The rules actually state that ropes can still be used to secure a load just as before so long as they are used properly.The problem now being more that manufacturers don’t provide rope hooks with curtain siders like too often in the case of tilts before that.
I stopped behind a stationary truck at a remote crossroads near Ville Romaine in France one day back in the 1980’s.
The driver was sat behind the wheel staring forward and the steel rebar he was carrying was through the front of his truck cab with his intestines draped over them.What had caused him to brake hard was long gone.
Something I will never erase from my memory.
robroy:
Franglais:
shullbit:
DickyNick:
It takes a lot of force to make something heavy that’s not on wheels shift. On old trucks back in the so called golden age there probably wasn’t enough braking force from the truck to actually create a harsh enough brake to send something heavy flying forward. A modern truck can brake hard enough to shift a load so DVSA would probably say no to your question. Your never going to accelerate hard enough forward to create enough force to shift a heavy load backwards, and as long as you don’t corner too fast again you aren’t create enough Gs to send a heavy load sideways. In fact your much more likely to shift a light load with normal driving than you are a heavy load as it takes less G forces to shift something light than it does to shift something heavy.Dubious
Dubious?
You are being very polite!Well I ain’t polite, he’s talking pure ■■■■■■■■.
Not entirely bollox.
Old John:
robroy:
Franglais:
shullbit:
DickyNick:
It takes a lot of force to make something heavy that’s not on wheels shift. On old trucks back in the so called golden age there probably wasn’t enough braking force from the truck to actually create a harsh enough brake to send something heavy flying forward. A modern truck can brake hard enough to shift a load so DVSA would probably say no to your question. Your never going to accelerate hard enough forward to create enough force to shift a heavy load backwards, and as long as you don’t corner too fast again you aren’t create enough Gs to send a heavy load sideways. In fact your much more likely to shift a light load with normal driving than you are a heavy load as it takes less G forces to shift something light than it does to shift something heavy.Dubious
Dubious?
You are being very polite!Well I ain’t polite, he’s talking pure ■■■■■■■■.
Not entirely bollox.
The post waffling on about “G-Forces” is bollox.
If it is less than total bollox that is due to it being vague enough to be generously interpreted.
At least he didn’t mutter about “centrifugal force”, so we can grateful for that I s’pose.
Tbh mate my eyes glazed over reading that screenshot after the first sentence,.and life was too short to try and take it in.
I’ll just continue to base my opinions on my own experiences and observations which are as follows…
1.I have never lost a load using ropes straps or chains and dwangs on any occasion.
2. If I drove like an idiot with his arse on fire, that experience would be no doubt different.
3.Nick the ■■■■ usually talks ■■■■■■■■ on here just for effect and a reaction, so I just assumed business as usual.
Cheers.
Franglais:
The post waffling on about “G-Forces” is bollox.
Remember the interesting discussion we had regarding kinetic energy being the relevant force contained in a load needing to be braked or turned.
That’s a more complicated equation than G force with a very different result regarding the amount of force involved acting on a lashing and certainly can’t be cancelled out by the load’s own weight and friction against the load bed.
The fact is the load will want to go in the direction it was heading at the speed relative to the outside world that it was travelling at.Not its speed relative to the truck.
Delivering the kinetic energy involved in that to the axles and ultimately tyres is the relevant reference point.The same applies when braking.
That’s why we don’t hold axles and truck load decks to the chassis with straps/ropes/chains.
Unfortunately in this case that’s the only practical choice but it’s far from ideal and it’s not a get out of jail free card.
Especially regarding the abysmal fore and aft securing provision of most truck load decks.
Yes you can - if you use enough rope and knots you can secure 28 tons to a flatbed trailer so 400 kgs shoud be acheivable .
Carryfast:
Franglais:
The post waffling on about “G-Forces” is bollox.Remember the interesting discussion we had regarding kinetic energy being the relevant force contained in a load needing to be braked or turned.
That’s a more complicated equation than G force with a very different result regarding the amount of force involved acting on a lashing and certainly can’t be cancelled out by the load’s own weight and friction against the load bed.
The fact is the load will want to go in the direction it was heading at the speed relative to the outside world that it was travelling at.Not its speed relative to the truck.
Delivering the kinetic energy involved in that to the axles and ultimately tyres is the relevant reference point.The same applies when braking.
That’s why we don’t hold axles and truck load decks to the chassis with straps/ropes/chains.
Unfortunately in this case that’s the only practical choice but it’s far from ideal and it’s not a get out of jail free card.
Especially regarding the abysmal fore and aft securing provision of most truck load decks.
Theres a more simple answer… chuck the ropes away, use straps and hopefully it stop VOSA emptying your bank account 
elsa Lad:
Theres a more simple answer… chuck the ropes away, use straps and hopefully it stop VOSA emptying your bank account
Their own rules say ropes are ok.While in many cases putting more rope over the load is better than fewer straps.Such as this example.
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I’d have roped the lower stack of rows first seperately then roped the second stack with double dollies.With 3 preferably 4 rope passes over each row of pallets using every hook and spread dollies if caught between.
While in other cases if ropes aren’t up to it then it needs chains.
Some things just need a bit of timber and packing round them.
Wheel Nut:
0Some things just need a bit of timber and packing round them.
Pick up a sealed container and you aren’t responsible for how it’s loaded…
Franglais:
Pick up a sealed container and you aren’t responsible for how it’s loaded…
That’s not what the road traffic act says.You’re at least responsible for knowing what’s in it and that’s going nowhere.
Kinetics in action.Rope or straps won’t stop that.That should be on a step frame trailer to start with not in a bleedin container.