‘They’ - the operator, should have realised before you pointed it out to them that you’d used up all your allowed weekly reductions.
What would have happened if you didn’t mention it? They would allow you to break the law - not good. Of course, they could come out with the magic saying ‘Just do it this once…to help us out’. Never do that as it sets a precedent and ‘just this once’ becomes a regular fixture.
I once worked for a firm with a lot of old-timers who used to plod on at their own pace…nobody ever left this firm. Then a new driver came & started knocking 2 hours off a regular run, he thought he was bees knees…so did planners. It backfired, he got everybody’s backs up & planners expected more ‘miracles’ from him. Beware!!! You call the tune - as much as possible.
tachograph:
You can’t be forced to reduce your daily rest, but lets face it these days most people who have a regular job want to hold onto it.
This is the attitude that helped to remove the word ‘Great’ from in front of Britain.
I don’t wish to sound like a history teacher, but the word Great, in Great Britain, has nothing to do with fantastic, excellent, etc…It is Great as in the land mass of the British Isles.
GBD:
Last year i was working general haulage and at the start i told them i would,nt work my 10th hour driving unless it was to my benefit to get back home. after continuously trying to plan me around 10 hours driving week in week out and my taking nights out they called me into the office and i told them it was the drivers choice to drive the extra hour or park up. basically they told me either do it or go and do one.
fortunately i took the latter offer and done one
Hence the reason i no longer work for them
Cant help but think this will be the story of your life. I cant see many firms wanting to pay unessesary night’s out or putting up you not getting to a collection or delivery then doing a 10 to get home
GBD:
Last year i was working general haulage and at the start i told them i would,nt work my 10th hour driving unless it was to my benefit to get back home. after continuously trying to plan me around 10 hours driving week in week out and my taking nights out they called me into the office and i told them it was the drivers choice to drive the extra hour or park up. basically they told me either do it or go and do one.
fortunately i took the latter offer and done one
Hence the reason i no longer work for them
Cant help but think this will be the story of your life. I cant see many firms wanting to pay unessesary night’s out or putting up you not getting to a collection or delivery then doing a 10 to get home
It’s annoying that some outfits will provide only day cabs, and then expect you to do a 8pm-11am shift.
“We don’t do nights out” they’ll say. Well, I’d say being out all night is a 'kin night out - wouldn’t you?
GBD:
Last year i was working general haulage and at the start i told them i would,nt work my 10th hour driving unless it was to my benefit to get back home. after continuously trying to plan me around 10 hours driving week in week out and my taking nights out they called me into the office and i told them it was the drivers choice to drive the extra hour or park up. basically they told me either do it or go and do one.
fortunately i took the latter offer and done one
Hence the reason i no longer work for them
Cant help but think this will be the story of your life. I cant see many firms wanting to pay unessesary night’s out or putting up you not getting to a collection or delivery then doing a 10 to get home[/quot
It’s annoying that some outfits will provide only day cabs, and then expect you to do a 8pm-11am shift.
“We don’t do nights out” they’ll say. Well, I’d say being out all night is a 'kin night out - wouldn’t you?
If your back to base each day within your time why wud you need a sleeper? although it aint nice goin home at that time of nite
Saaamon:
You know some firms expect you to work more than 15hours and take less than 9 off so it could be worse…
Oh Well, that makes it all right then, let’s all be thankful that we are in jobs, take it up the tradesmens, and say “It could be worse” …and at least the boss is kind enough to supply us with vaseline.
Saaamon:
You know some firms expect you to work more than 15hours and take less than 9 off so it could be worse…
Oh Well, that makes it all right then, let’s all be thankful that we are in jobs, take it up the tradesmens, and say at least the boss is kind enough to supply us with vaseline.
Saaamon:
You know some firms expect you to work more than 15hours and take less than 9 off so it could be worse…
Oh Well, that makes it all right then, let’s all be thankful that we are in jobs, take it up the tradesmens, and say at least the boss is kind enough to supply us with vaseline.
KY Jelly, c’mon
I wasn’t really speaking from experience. but hey! I’m broad minded, live and let live and all that, fair play to you, and each to his own
Saaamon:
You know some firms expect you to work more than 15hours and take less than 9 off so it could be worse…
Oh Well, that makes it all right then, let’s all be thankful that we are in jobs, take it up the tradesmens, and say at least the boss is kind enough to supply us with vaseline.
KY Jelly, c’mon
I wasn’t really speaking from experience. but hey! I’m broad minded, live and let live and all that, fair play to you, and each to his own
Quite right these shysters have just got some proper time that involves them not being out by Christmas. After all, the driver won’t be.
It isn’t just the smaller operators that act in this way.
The humongous corporations are just the same but as we all know they employ people to take it up the 'arris on their behalf and the corporate blurb and brochure always says that they do not condone illegal or immoral practices.
GBD:
Last year i was working general haulage and at the start i told them i would,nt work my 10th hour driving unless it was to my benefit to get back home. after continuously trying to plan me around 10 hours driving week in week out and my taking nights out they called me into the office and i told them it was the drivers choice to drive the extra hour or park up. basically they told me either do it or go and do one.
fortunately i took the latter offer and done one
Hence the reason i no longer work for them
Cant help but think this will be the story of your life. I cant see many firms wanting to pay unessesary night’s out or putting up you not getting to a collection or delivery then doing a 10 to get home
It’s annoying that some outfits will provide only day cabs, and then expect you to do a 8pm-11am shift.
“We don’t do nights out” they’ll say. Well, I’d say being out all night is a 'kin night out - wouldn’t you?
Well, if it’s legal, they can ask you to do it, if it isn’t they can’t, simples.
If they regularly plan you & other drivers right to the wire, if something serious happens, i.e. a fatal accident the firm may be in the frame for corporate manslaughter & VOSA along with the HSE will be their new world of pain.
Many firms forget this but of course it’s funky dory till the ■■■■ hits the fan, then it’s pass the buck time.
It’s unfortunate that so many firms in haulage are so close to the profitability wire for this culture to be prevalent.
Someone on here once said you don’t want to work for a haulier who is hire & reward you want to be on for own account firms who manufacture their own stuff or distribute to their own stores as they aren’t under as much cost pressure & so less stress on the driver to produce £’s, true dat.
Was speaking to a Stobbies lad the other day and if they’ve had their allowed brakes, they have to ring in to ask permission to stop for a ■■■■! Now I know Eddie is a good firm, the work & pay are passable but really.
Silver_Surfer:
Was speaking to a Stobbies lad the other day and if they’ve had their allowed brakes, they have to ring in to ask permission to stop for a ■■■■! Now I know Eddie is a good firm, the work & pay are passable but really.
Well if that is true, and they are that bloody spineless to accept that and actually do it , they deserve all they get, wtf has happened to this job when this sort of practice is considered acceptable, and worse still adhered to.
Silver_Surfer:
Well, if it’s legal, they can ask you to do it, if it isn’t they can’t, simples.
If they regularly plan you & other drivers right to the wire, if something serious happens, i.e. a fatal accident the firm may be in the frame for corporate manslaughter & VOSA along with the HSE will be their new world of pain.
Many firms forget this but of course it’s funky dory till the [zb] hits the fan, then it’s pass the buck time.
It’s unfortunate that so many firms in haulage are so close to the profitability wire for this culture to be prevalent.
Someone on here once said you don’t want to work for a haulier who is hire & reward you want to be on for own account firms who manufacture their own stuff or distribute to their own stores as they aren’t under as much cost pressure & so less stress on the driver to produce £’s, true dat.
Was speaking to a Stobbies lad the other day and if they’ve had their allowed brakes, they have to ring in to ask permission to stop for a ■■■■! Now I know Eddie is a good firm, the work & pay are passable but really.
If they’re paid for those allowed breaks, then fair enough, the firm would have some say over how many/much of them you get to take, 1.00hr per day probably being the benchmark.
If they don’t pay for breaks, then I can’t see it as being any of their business how many and when you take them.
Having never worked there, I’ll leave it to everyone else’s judgement as to which of the above applies.
Personally, I might find myself working 12-15 hours and taking in that time a 15+30+45 to break the day up, and avoid the 6hour WTD infringement whilst I’m at it. I might be docked 45-60 mins worth of whatever I took, but I’d still object if docked more than 1hr even if I’ve taken 90mins worth - bearing in mind that doing more than 12 hours I consider to be a favour that entitles one to actually take an extra break in the first place!
Silver_Surfer:
Was speaking to a Stobbies lad the other day and if they’ve had their allowed brakes, they have to ring in to ask permission to stop for a ■■■■! Now I know Eddie is a good firm, the work & pay are passable but really.
Hmmm, I wonder what happens if one of them rings up wanting ‘permission’ ( ) to stop for a ■■■■ and the planner says no?
Last time I had to ask to go for a ■■■■ was when I was at school.
There is a driver shortage so they will, of course, try to get as much work out of you as possible
If you don’t want to work the extra hours, say you are tired. It would then be illegal for them to impose extra workload… If they quibble, speak to the nominated-on-the O-licence transport manager.
You are on a day rate so they will push their luck
Divide your gross weekly pay by the number of hours worked. Ensure that you are being paid above the National Minimum Wage.
If you fear that you might subsequently be the victim of unfair dismissal, ensure that you have spoken to your Union rep.
News to me … when did it change from a driver surplus which it has been since at least 2008 ?
As far as I know there are more driver jobs than drivers to fill them - if what you state was true then newbies would be walking into a job the day after passing
Euro:
There is a driver shortage so they will, of course, try to get as much work out of you as possible…
I think it’s a case of firms employing too few driver’s and pushing those they have to the max. Rather than a ‘driver shortage’. In reality, considering back hauls & nights out etc. SOME firms are getting three mens work out of two drivers. Only possible if everything close to being maxxed out, sometimes only just legally.
Oh Well, that makes it all right then, let’s all be thankful that we are in jobs, take it up the tradesmens, and say “It could be worse” 
…and at least the boss is kind enough to supply us with vaseline.
