Goldfinger:
Why not just look on the machines own weight plate and then do a bit of maths…?
All plant that I moved had their own weight plates.
As far as I know the weight plates are for the machines straight out of the factory? if the long reach arms were added later the weight plate could be different from the current set up of the machine?
A 360 grab we had at work was plated for 23 odd tonne but with the cab riser, grab and longer boom it was 27ish tonne when we put it on the weighbridge!
Think that might be what the OP is getting at as the machine is a long reach its heavier than a standard model?
Excluding attachments, shouldn’t the machine then be reweighed and re-plated then…?
It probably would be a good idea, especially for the OP, but my guess is it doesn’t happen as plant can be specified in all kinds of set ups for different work/customers. Same as lorries you don’t know the true tare until u weigh it.
Probably be a bit of a pain finding a weighbridge to fit that machine on to!
Goldfinger:
Why not just look on the machines own weight plate and then do a bit of maths…?
All plant that I moved had their own weight plates.
The plate will tell me what the original jcb js450 weighed but it’s got a long reach demolition arm on it, increased counter weight and heavy duty cab guards. No way of knowing exactly what it weighs without putting it on a bridge. Like the lads say, either an axle weigher or unit first then the trailer.
If in doubt. . . . libraweighing.co.uk/waw-whe … forms.html libraweighing.co.uk/mobile-scales.html
Axle weighing up to 27 tons and auto addition to give gross weight.
Portable wheel weighing pads up to 20 tons.
Take a measley 15 ton axle easily !
I`ve no idea whether or not these portable ones are used by VOSA, but I have seen them used by the French authorities. They carry them in some of their vans, the pads are easily manageable by one person. Could be carried in a car boot with an problems. Clever bits of kit.
Those manufacturer weight plates are a joke, woefully inaccurate sometimes.
I move a CAT312 for a customer, it’s a nominal 12t machine. The plate on it says it weighs 16t or something ridiculous, it doesn’t it weighs around 13t judging by the axle load indicator. Less than a Doosan DX140 or Hyundai 140 by about a tonne and similar to a ZX/JS 130 machine.
We’ve got identical machines in our yard bought just a couple of months apart with plates that do not tally by around 500kg
Which crane hire firm was it that recently lost their operators licence, for amongst other things one of their support vehicles carrying ballast weights was checked exceeding his 100tonne limit?
bestbooties:
Which crane hire firm was it that recently lost their operators licence, for amongst other things one of their support vehicles carrying ballast weights was checked exceeding his 100tonne limit?
Drivers are not held responsible for trucks that are overweight unbeknown to them unlike over in USA.
In my case if the paperwork says it’s 22 tonnes of fruit but VOSA weighbridge says different then boss must pay the fine and get overload sorted out and bill the customer.
No skin off my nose other than the hassle and the delay.
Repeat this too often and TC may get annoyed with him.
If I was in your position and my boss says I am underweight then I accept that until categorically informed otherwise.
If VOSA pull me a second time overloaded with the same machine on the back it could now be a problem for me too but Yes, VOSA can easily weigh you if STGO Cat 2.
You are telling your boss to now choose one of the following based only on your assumption of being overweight.
A new truck/trailer,
A new excavator
A new driver.
Assuming he is a real businessman I would just crack on.
Hurryup&wait:
Drivers are not held responsible for trucks that are overweight unbeknown to them unlike over in USA.
In my case if the paperwork says it’s 22 tonnes of fruit but VOSA weighbridge says different then boss must pay the fine and get overload sorted out and bill the customer.
No skin off my nose other than the hassle and the delay.
Repeat this too often and TC may get annoyed with him.
If I was in your position and my boss says I am underweight then I accept that until categorically informed otherwise.
If VOSA pull me a second time overloaded with the same machine on the back it could now be a problem for me too but Yes, VOSA can easily weigh you if STGO Cat 2.
You are telling your boss to now choose one of the following based only on your assumption of being overweight.
A new truck/trailer,
A new excavator
A new driver.
Assuming he is a real businessman I would just crack on.
But you will get a Fixed penalty for overloading, nomatterwhat you claim to know
Fixed penalties
If you get a fixed penalty from a Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) officer or the police, the amount you have to pay could depend on the circumstances and seriousness of the offence.
DVSA has published a guide to fixed penalties as well as a policy for road traffic offences, which includes a list of offences and penalty fine levels.
Examples of penalties
The penalties if your vehicle exceeds its maximum permitted axle weight are:
Vehicle overweight by Penalty
5% to 10% £100
10% to 15% £200
15% to 30% £300
More than 30% Court summons
The penalties for drivers’ hours offences are:
Symonatkinson:
Hi all,
I run a volvo plated at 80t, my tare with our 9ft low loader trailer is 27t so I can only carry a max 53t load.
Now then, the firm I work for has a Big long reach excavator that I estimate to be 55-60t but my boss keeps making me move it even under protest that I’m overweight. He just says no your not get on with it, they can’t weigh anything that big anyway.
Is that true? What sort of measures have they got to weigh you?
it took me all of 60 seconds to read your post and find out who you drive for…and you reg
Hurryup&wait:
Drivers are not held responsible for trucks that are overweight unbeknown to them unlike over in USA.
In my case if the paperwork says it’s 22 tonnes of fruit but VOSA weighbridge says different then boss must pay the fine and get overload sorted out and bill the customer.
No skin off my nose other than the hassle and the delay.
Repeat this too often and TC may get annoyed with him.
If I was in your position and my boss says I am underweight then I accept that until categorically informed otherwise.
If VOSA pull me a second time overloaded with the same machine on the back it could now be a problem for me too but Yes, VOSA can easily weigh you if STGO Cat 2.
You are telling your boss to now choose one of the following based only on your assumption of being overweight.
A new truck/trailer,
A new excavator
A new driver.
Assuming he is a real businessman I would just crack on.
But you will get a Fixed penalty for overloading, nomatterwhat you claim to know
Fixed penalties
If you get a fixed penalty from a Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA) officer or the police, the amount you have to pay could depend on the circumstances and seriousness of the offence.
DVSA has published a guide to fixed penalties as well as a policy for road traffic offences, which includes a list of offences and penalty fine levels.
Examples of penalties
The penalties if your vehicle exceeds its maximum permitted axle weight are:
Vehicle overweight by Penalty
5% to 10% £100
10% to 15% £200
15% to 30% £300
More than 30% Court summons
The penalties for drivers’ hours offences are:
I agree with you but it will be issued to the operator and not the driver.
In our place the boss picks up all fines generally unless it was pure driver carelessness and then we might have to share some or all of the pain.
In the unlikely event DVSA issue me one personally I am going to court if the shipper lied on his paperwork about the weight of the goods but I have never heard of DVSA doing that.
