what about taking a break in a moving vehicle (passenger seat) while part of a two man crew where the vehicle is a van (with tacho)?
dockspotter:
what about taking a break in a moving vehicle (passenger seat) while part of a two man crew where the vehicle is a van (with tacho)?
The first 45 minutes of POA is counted as a break, the rest of the time you are duty bound to hang from the top bunk like a bat, unless you are joining the Royal Navy
dockspotter:
what about taking a break in a moving vehicle (passenger seat) while part of a two man crew where the vehicle is a van (with tacho)?
VOSA will count the first 45 minutes of POA whilst you’re in the passenger seat as break when you’re on a multi-manning journey.
dockspotter:
what about taking a break in a moving vehicle (passenger seat) while part of a two man crew where the vehicle is a van (with tacho)?
Yes, I do just that 5 nights a week, except in a truck not a van.
tachograph:
dockspotter:
what about taking a break in a moving vehicle (passenger seat) while part of a two man crew where the vehicle is a van (with tacho)?VOSA will count the first 45 minutes of POA whilst you’re in the passenger seat as break when you’re on a multi-manning journey.
Two Man Crew - Double manning - Team Driving - Double Driving
If you are taking a break in a passenger seat of a moving vehicle that was not multi-manned then I´d think you´d have other non-legal problems.
Biscuits:
If you are taking a break in a passenger seat of a moving vehicle that was not multi-manned then I´d think you´d have other non-legal problems.
Biscuits:
If you are taking a break in a passenger seat of a moving vehicle that was not multi-manned then I´d think you´d have other non-legal problems.
Yes it could be a problem 
Seriously though, the fact that there are two drivers in the vehicle doesn’t mean the trip meets the legal definition of multi-manning as defined by article 4 - (EC) 561/2006.
Just had one of those discussions about BREAKS and was informed I couldn’t take a break while sat within 18 inches of the steering wheel.
Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!
I’m not talking about rest periods and sleeper cabs.
Cheers
Work Shy:
Just had one of those discussions about BREAKS and was informed I couldn’t take a break while sat within 18 inches of the steering wheel.Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!
I’m not talking about rest periods and sleeper cabs.
Cheers
You can take a break stood on your head on the depot managers desk as long as it lasts either 15 or 30 minutes in that order.
Who told you otherwise?
Work Shy:
Just had one of those discussions about BREAKS and was informed I couldn’t take a break while sat within 18 inches of the steering wheel.Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!
I’m not talking about rest periods and sleeper cabs.
Cheers
This is a myth that I haven’t heard for some time 
Anyway the requirement for a break is that the time should be used exclusively for recuperation, you do not have to be able to freely dispose of the time or do what you like or any of the other myths and misinformation that does the rounds amongst drivers, you are free to have a break sat behind the steering wheel or sat on top of it if you wish.
Page 13 - Drivers hours and tachograph regulations guide.
A break is any period during which a driver may not carry out any driving or any other work and which is used exclusively for recuperation. A break may be taken in a moving vehicle, provided no other work is undertaken.
A fellow driver who I met while working on the agency, I’ve tried researching it, but can’t find anything in black and white, one way or the other.
I’ve never heard of it before and i’ve taken many a break sat in drivers seat.
But sometimes these urban myths have a grain of truth.
Work Shy:
Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!
Work Shy:
I’ve tried researching it, but can’t find anything in black and white, one way or the other
You won’t find anything in black and white to disprove it because there is no such regulation, we go on what the regulations say not what they don’t say.
Ask your colleague for evidence to back up his claim and I can guarantee he won’t be able to provide any
Work Shy:
But sometimes these urban myths have a grain of truth.
Not this time it doesn’t
Work Shy:
Just had one of those discussions about BREAKS and was informed I couldn’t take a break while sat within 18 inches of the steering wheel.Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!
Hi Work Shy,
tachograph has given the definition of “break” and a link to a credible source of info.
Putting it quite simply, the person who mentioned the “18 inches” might not be able to do that.
Another source of info to answer your question is the actual law itself.
Regulation (EC) No 561/2006 Article 4(d)
(d) ‘break’ means any period during which a driver may not carry out any driving or any other work and which is used exclusively for recuperation;
That’s the whole of Article 4(d) and there’s no mention of a steering wheel or any kind of seat!! 
So the answer to your question is’ YES,’ provided that you meet the legal definition above, you can take a break whilst you’re sitting in the driver’s seat.
Congratulate the person who told you this and tell them they scored a 7 on this chart.
tachograph:
Work Shy:
Can anybody point me in the direction of information to prove/disprove this!Work Shy:
I’ve tried researching it, but can’t find anything in black and white, one way or the otherYou won’t find anything in black and white to disprove it because there is no such regulation,
I think you mean anything to prove it because Article 4 (d) of (EC) No 561/2006 does a grand job of disproving it.
There used to be an idea about what constitutes a sleeper cab and I heard people say then that you had to be so far away from the steering wheel when in the bunk. It was to stop the gaffers giving you a plank to ledge between the doors and calling your day cab a sleeper. Now I don’t know if it was ever a design spec or just a rumour, but I’ll hazard a guess that this is what he is referring to.
ps. Wheelnut, you are wrong. If you had your break in the TM office, upside down, he would class you as a paperweight which you would then need to record as other work. However if the paper isn’t going to be used for 3 hrs and you knew this advance, you could call it a POA.
DoYouMeanMe?:
ps. Wheelnut, you are wrong. If you had your break in the TM office, upside down, he would class you as a paperweight which you would then need to record as other work. However if the paper isn’t going to be used for 3 hrs and you knew this advance, you could call it a POA.
good one
DoYouMeanMe?:
There used to be an idea about what constitutes a sleeper cab and I heard people say then that you had to be so far away from the steering wheel when in the bunk. It was to stop the gaffers giving you a plank to ledge between the doors and calling your day cab a sleeper. Now I don’t know if it was ever a design spec or just a rumour, but I’ll hazard a guess that this is what he is referring to.
Could be what he was referring to but it is, and was, ■■■■■■■■. You can legally night out in a day cab provided it has ‘suitable seeping facilities’ and those facilities do not have to be a certain distance from the steering wheel.
DoYouMeanMe?:
ps. Wheelnut, you are wrong. If you had your break in the TM office, upside down, he would class you as a paperweight which you would then need to record as other work. However if the paper isn’t going to be used for 3 hrs and you knew this advance, you could call it a POA.
Better a paperweight in that position than a pen holder! 
tachograph:
DoYouMeanMe?:
ps. Wheelnut, you are wrong. If you had your break in the TM office, upside down, he would class you as a paperweight which you would then need to record as other work. However if the paper isn’t going to be used for 3 hrs and you knew this advance, you could call it a POA.
Does he mean me.
In that case I can also use the 3 hours to split my rest to benefit me later
If it qualifies for break, etc etc etc