Cab Cams, It's time article 8 and CCTV laws are updated

[peirre]

Juddian:
As said, it’s usually the outfits who pay ■■■■ poor or middling money at best, and/or have no respect for the decent drivers they might have, who consequently have a high turnover of staff and who may well have reputations among drivers as places to avoid, end up having to take any clown who manages to negotiate their way through the door, who are the most likely to feel they need to fit driver facing cameras.

Despite your love for union backed working environments, you forgot to mention it’s these places that tend not to have any union presence which makes it even easier for the company to fit cameras and perpetuate the low pay revolving door scenario

[robroy]

peirre:

Juddian:
As said, it’s usually the outfits who pay ■■■■ poor or middling money at best, and/or have no respect for the decent drivers they might have, who consequently have a high turnover of staff and who may well have reputations among drivers as places to avoid, end up having to take any clown who manages to negotiate their way through the door, who are the most likely to feel they need to fit driver facing cameras.

Despite your love for union backed working environments, you forgot to mention it’s these places that tend not to have any union presence which makes it even easier for the company to fit cameras and perpetuate the low pay revolving door scenario[/quote,
Very true is that,

[peirre]

robroy:

peirre:

Juddian:
As said, it’s usually the outfits who pay ■■■■ poor or middling money at best, and/or have no respect for the decent drivers they might have, who consequently have a high turnover of staff and who may well have reputations among drivers as places to avoid, end up having to take any clown who manages to negotiate their way through the door, who are the most likely to feel they need to fit driver facing cameras.

Despite your love for union backed working environments, you forgot to mention it’s these places that tend not to have any union presence which makes it even easier for the company to fit cameras and perpetuate the low pay revolving door scenario

robroy:
Very true is that,

FTFY
Anyway back to the point, the OP comes on here because he or a “mate” got sacked for not wearing a seatbelt, despite being warned twice about it. Then tries to make a case that they where spied upon by invasive in cab cameras.
But you have to ask yourself why the firm installed them in the 1st place, and my guess would be that the drivers can’t be trusted to do the job safely and legally. Despite repeated attempts by management to resolve the situation amicably, they resorted to installing the cameras as a last resort to protect the company (legally and financially) from the knuckle dragging low paid chimps they employed. No doubt that there’s a long queue of chimps willing to work for them and keep the revolving door spinning. Meanwhile all the good drivers previously mention are in regular employment, and trusted to be left alone to do the job right

[robroy]

peirre:

robroy:

peirre:

Juddian:
As said, it’s usually the outfits who pay ■■■■ poor or middling money at best, and/or have no respect for the decent drivers they might have, who consequently have a high turnover of staff and who may well have reputations among drivers as places to avoid, end up having to take any clown who manages to negotiate their way through the door, who are the most likely to feel they need to fit driver facing cameras.

Despite your love for union backed working environments, you forgot to mention it’s these places that tend not to have any union presence which makes it even easier for the company to fit cameras and perpetuate the low pay revolving door scenario

robroy:
Very true is that,

FTFY
Anyway back to the point, the OP comes on here because he or a “mate” got sacked for not wearing a seatbelt, despite being warned twice about it. Then tries to make a case that they where spied upon by invasive in cab cameras.
But you have to ask yourself why the firm installed them in the 1st place, and my guess would be that the drivers can’t be trusted to do the job safely and legally. Despite repeated attempts by management to resolve the situation amicably, they resorted to installing the cameras as a last resort to protect the company (legally and financially) from the knuckle dragging low paid chimps they employed. No doubt that there’s a long queue of chimps willing to work for them and keep the revolving door spinning. Meanwhile all the good drivers previously mention are in regular employment, and trusted to be left alone to do the job right

I agree about the o/p’s ‘mate’, he was given fair warning for an illegal act, but I think you’re giving these modern management types too much credit tbh mate.

Ok, there is definitely an element of that, in the form of a reaction to some of their drivers who are in fact more steerers than actual drivers, but I think they would implement these things anyway, they seem to have this mindset of ‘keeping us in our place’.
What annoys me while currently working for one of these firms who employ a lot of assorted type chimps, the real drivers who are in the minority, get treated in the same way as these clowns.

Many Dutch outfits do a 2 tier system where you become eligible for Tier 1 after a certain time of proven employment, and get rewarded for it in terms of a slightly better pay rate, and t.s and c.s and left alone (basically treated like adults) if you do something drastic you get relegated until you can qualify again…so the real drivers get treated like real drivers, and the chimps get treated like chimps.

[robthedog]

I think you’ll find all these cameras spy in the cab crap has evolved since the influx of the EE driver. Due to their incompetence of rolling trucks smashing bits off them and general crap driving and bad habits companies insurance bills have rocketed so there lies the problem, so to reduce their insurance premiums this is how this has all come about.
I know some homegrown drivers aint up to much either, but none of this crap happened until the afore mentioned influx whether you agree or disagree with me its FACT, ask yourself when did all of this start happening and it was soon after the influx, sad fact and we are all lumbered with it now.

[rottweiler22]

Juddian’s got it right.

It’s only the crap companies have these cameras. The ones who want maximum hours for a whisker above minimum wage. The only people they can get to work for them are morons. Morons have more accidents. Accidents cost money. By pointing a camera at these morons, it may dissuade them from doing the stupid things that cause accidents (using phones, rolling ■■■■, etc). Force these reprobates to do their job properly by pointing a camera at them.

What gets me is that management love to use “safety” as the reason for these cameras. If haulage company managers are so obsessed with safety, stop planning day drivers for 70 hours a week, and sending out untrained, unbriefed agency drivers then.

As. a lorry driver you give up a lot to do the job. To me, your employer needs to value you. And these cameras are a direct demonstration of how much of a piece of s*it your employer thinks you are. Why on earth anyone would give up their working life to work for firms like this is completely beyond me.

[robroy]

Rottweiler22:
Juddian’s got it right.

It’s only the crap companies have these cameras. The ones who want maximum hours for a whisker above minimum wage. The only people they can get to work for them are morons. Morons have more accidents. Accidents cost money. By pointing a camera at these morons, it may dissuade them from doing the stupid things that cause accidents (using phones, rolling ■■■■, etc). Force these reprobates to do their job properly by pointing a camera at them.

What gets me is that management love to use “safety” as the reason for these cameras. If haulage company managers are so obsessed with safety, stop planning day drivers for 70 hours a week, and sending out untrained, unbriefed agency drivers then.

As. a lorry driver you give up a lot to do the job. To me, your employer needs to value you. And these cameras are a direct demonstration of how much of a piece of s*it your employer thinks you are. Why on earth anyone would give up their working life to work for firms like this is completely beyond me.

Right here’s my two penneth on that bud.
Going by what you say, it’s time for a Alchoholic’s anonymous type ( or Morons Anonymous ) confession then.
(Here’s a bottom page signature for a couple of my ‘fans’ ‘‘Robroy wrote…’’ )

My names Rob and I’m a moron…there I’ve said it.

In mitigation I live in an area that is made up of mostly crap type transport firms, all with similar crap type wage rates, and crap type t.s and c.s…like the ones you list in fact.

After jacking as an owner driver I spent 18 or so years working for firms away from here, one in Essex, and two in Europe,.keeping my motor at home.
The job situation is such around here, that you need to try for the best of a bad bunch rather for a ‘good firm to work for’ , cos basically there ain’t any.
I get ex colleagues and mates saying ‘‘Why do you work for …’’
but that is the situation,…as it is in many other areas around here.
I as I have said before, just look after myself, keep my swede down, do the job the very best I can, but don’t allow myself to be run ragged,.and so far it has worked.

You’re entitled to your opinion, …but maybe best not to generalise eh?
But cheers anyway for ‘‘outing’’ me .

[rambo19]

Juddian:
Proper unionised workforces haven’t accepted them, and they arn’t fitted, in some cases the company fitted them before consulation, lorries didn’t leave the yard, in cab cameras removed and stayed removed, other union sites pre empted things by telling the company don’t even think about it.
Put as many round the outside as you like, protects the driver as well as the company.

Unions are terrible, don’t join one

Not true, London buses have had them for years.

[robroy]

rambo19:

Juddian:
Proper unionised workforces haven’t accepted them, and they arn’t fitted, in some cases the company fitted them before consulation, lorries didn’t leave the yard, in cab cameras removed and stayed removed, other union sites pre empted things by telling the company don’t even think about it.
Put as many round the outside as you like, protects the driver as well as the company.

Unions are terrible, don’t join one

Not true, London buses have had them for years.

Maybe so, but this ain’t BUS Net is it.
If I was on the buses, picking up the assortment of scrotes, ■■■■ heads, smack heads, and the like, as well as the traditional type nutter, I’d be accepting a live constant watch camera WAS for my good and protection and welcome it tbh.

Driving (and living) in a truck x no of days a week for me personally,.it would be a ■■■■■■■■■ a liberty,.and an affront to my professionalism, …as well as a self concious distraction taking my mind off the job,.the event type I have now is bad enough.

[redrooster]

peirre:
Simples … Just remember not to ■■■■■■■■■■ while on a night out

Or ■■■■■■■■■■ regularly, they may not want to keep looking

[juddian]

rambo19:

Juddian:
Proper unionised workforces haven’t accepted them, and they arn’t fitted, in some cases the company fitted them before consulation, lorries didn’t leave the yard, in cab cameras removed and stayed removed, other union sites pre empted things by telling the company don’t even think about it.
Put as many round the outside as you like, protects the driver as well as the company.

Unions are terrible, don’t join one

Not true, London buses have had them for years.

Different scenario completely, wagons don’t normally stop and open the passengers door to allow all and sundry access to the driver, as Robroy notes if i drove a bus in the hell taht is london or any other big city i’d be wanting CCTV pointed at me in the hope that should some scrote attack me then someone might be held to account, and yes we all know that certain favoured groups are exempt from the once normal expected standards of behaviour in this country.

I like having the 270’ coverage of the outside camera system, it helps protect me in the eent of an incident, never bothered me if they covered every possible three dimensional angle of the outside of a vehicle, but i wasn’t and never will accept a driver facing camera pointed at me, the sole occupant in a lorry, someone who has been HGV1 man and boy for 45 years and counting and whom up until now just like the many thousands of drivers like me have been trusted to do our jobs on our earned merits.