Tonyshortstraw:
I spoke with a fellow driver. He claimed that he was ejected from a company that is using cab cams because he refused to wear a seat belt.
He claims he got 2 warnings, and on the 3rd time he was told to move on. He claimed that at no point did he trigger the cab cams. He believes that the company were snooping on him…
I guess the guys an idiot, he was warned to wear his seatbelt not once but twice. It wasn’t the cameras that lost his job, it was his own stupid arrogance
Why would anybody refuse to wear a seatbelt ffs
His own fault as you say.
Imagine picking up a granny at the Stockyard at grab a granny night disco , you bring her or her mate too, for some cab action and forget you are being filmed .
All the night planner sees a two furry rings going up and down .
Idiot or not for not wearing a seatbelt, the point is that he claims he was snooped on seditiously. That’s the point I’m making. Anyway anyone here who says someone is an idiot, please check your hypocrisy meter.
You calling someone an idiot when (lets me honest) unless you have never held your mobile phone (EVER) while in charge of a motor vehicle then please reframe from making judgments of other drivers. Let him cast the first stone who has not sinned. No one in the UK from what I’ve seen, that’s for sure.
Tarmaceater:
Imagine picking up a granny at the Stockyard at grab a granny night disco , you bring her or her mate too, for some cab action and forget you are being filmed .
All the night planner sees a two furry rings going up and down .
There’s the perfect reason in-cab cameras should be banned.
Having seen some of the mutton on offer at said establishment, I’d rather thrash one out, now if some of the staff were to offer services,I might change my mind…
Tonyshortstraw:
Idiot or not for not wearing a seatbelt, the point is that he claims he was snooped on seditiously. That’s the point I’m making. Anyway anyone here who says someone is an idiot, please check your hypocrisy meter.
You calling someone an idiot when (lets me honest) unless you have never held your mobile phone (EVER) while in charge of a motor vehicle then please reframe from making judgments of other drivers. Let him cast the first stone who has not sinned. No one in the UK from what I’ve seen, that’s for sure.
I take your point mate, as I said I certainly don’t agree with cameras, but all your mate is doing is giving them an excuse to justify them,.they’ll.say they catch drivers doing ILLEGAL stuff,.and he knows it’s illegal…or should.
If I was clocked taking a sip of coffee or scratching my arse,.I have grounds and room to tell em to go and ■■■■ themselves, but not wearing a belt is absolute,.and means he’s ‘banged to rights guv’’ with zero defence.
Why play into their hands? …plus he got two previous warnings ! so tbf ‘idiot’ is a fair analysis.
Tarmaceater:
Imagine picking up a granny at the Stockyard at grab a granny night disco , you bring her or her mate too, for some cab action and forget you are being filmed .
All the night planner sees a two furry rings going up and down .
A simpler method would be a close up parting of the cheeks at every opportunity…and less risk if I imagine correctly the quality of the ‘cabtraffic’ you’re on about
Tarmaceater:
Imagine picking up a granny at the Stockyard at grab a granny night disco , you bring her or her mate too, for some cab action and forget you are being filmed .
All the night planner sees a two furry rings going up and down .
A simpler method would be a close up parting of the cheeks at every opportunity…and less risk if I imagine correctly the quality of the ‘cabtraffic’ yo
u’re on about
Some of the takers, all dressed in Hi-viz top to bottom, with the charm of sledgehammer, and showering every week is optional… And the mutton fully spray-tanned, fully held together with spandex, and makeup applied by 3year old,. But the Alcohol they all down I think helps…
Tonyshortstraw:
Idiot or not for not wearing a seatbelt, the point is that he claims he was snooped on seditiously. That’s the point I’m making. Anyway anyone here who says someone is an idiot, please check your hypocrisy meter.
You calling someone an idiot when (lets me honest) unless you have never held your mobile phone (EVER) while in charge of a motor vehicle then please reframe from making judgments of other drivers. Let him cast the first stone who has not sinned. No one in the UK from what I’ve seen, that’s for sure.
You made a post on this forum asking for comments, you got them.
I agree with Rob, he had a couple of warnings and ignored them, so he`s an idiot.
This “mate” who got sacked …its not you is it?
As for mobile phones, both of mine are kept in my coat pockets, the coat is left on the bunk out of reach, the truck doesn`t have a cab phone, so I have no reason (or desire) to use a mobile phone while driving. I can count the number of work or personnel calls I make during working hours in 1 month on 1 hand, 99.9% of my phone use at work is browsing the web while waiting to tip
biggriffin:
Having seen some of the mutton on offer at said establishment
As I live a stones throw from said establishment, the same bunny boilers frequent many of the pubs and working mens clubs I use, all I can say is “Thank Gawd for being in tier 3 lockdown”, so atm they`ve stuck with no where to go
Tonyshortstraw:
Any way, the point is this: Pay attention now: A drivers cab is a place a driver can spend many hours a day, sometimes 12 or more hours on his or her own. during that time, a driver may feel relaxed and comfortable, to the point a song comes on the radio, and as humans we all take the opportunity to have a little warble when behind the wheel, or we may think out loud, by talking to ourselves (hey I’m on the road alone for many hours) anyway my point is, that there should be a certain level of expected dignity.
My thoughts exactly. I made a similar thread when I first encountered an in cab camera early last year. I definitely behave differently when driving with a cam even though I know it’s not recording (only last 10 seconds or so on crash/harsh breaking detection). Fortunately only about half our trucks have one fitted and it’s only the older ones. The new ones they don’t seem to be bothering anymore. For me it really depends on the type of camera. If it’s accident only recording then I’m fine as for over a year I’ve not had any triggers but if it was live streaming/full time recording then I’d point it to the ceiling or refuse to drive for that company.
weareastrid.co.uk/gdpr-and- … -vehicles/
If you think your data is being processed without the proper consent then report the company to the ICO.
If you want to make a claim for breach of GDPR then £750 is about the going rate.
I did enquire why these systems were not used in the company cars (sales reps, managers etc) as well and the answer I was given assumed that none of them broke the law…go figure.
It is simply to reduce our instance premiums and that is it, despite their claims it has nothing to do with making sure we go home every night.
I did enquire why these systems were not used in the company cars (sales reps, managers etc) as well and the answer I was given assumed that none of them broke the law…go figure.
It is simply to reduce our instance premiums and that is it, despite their claims it has nothing to do with making sure we go home every night.
Presumably the correct impact assessment was made during the consulation period, negotiated with you via your union reps who in turn consulted the members about to be affected, and after voting whether to accept these things the majority of union members were in agreement about the implementation of these devices?
If the impact assessment was never made and agreements reached, and if they affect you enough to cause you to leave you may have a valid case for constructive dismissal, its all in black and white on the relevant govt website pages dealing with personal surveillance in such circumstances as a driver facing camera.
Look at the state of the industry,most of these firms putting in cameras have a high turn over of drivers.
If these drivers had stuck together and stood up for themselves then these cameras wouldn’t of been fit.
Would they risk not having any drivers for the sake of another H&S fad■■?..
But no the drivers let them do it them moan to everyone who will listen.
I’m sick of the brylcreme boys in the office brainwashing drivers saying they need to “buy in” to this and be “on board” with that and seeing guys with 30 odd years experience roll over for the little gets in the office and their corporate rubbish.
I know 100% my gaffer will never get them we don’t even have trackers,we work on trust and if we have problem we tell him and he listens.
I’m no big Union man or militant but drivers don’t realise the power they have
well if the bosses monitoring the above devices realise their drivers are becoming tired,fatigued or whatever,they might possibly realise drivers are working too many hours,and decide to cut the maximum shifts down from a 15 hour day,to say a 12 and a half hour day?
…i wait with baited breath…
carryfast-yeti:
well if the bosses monitoring the above devices realise their drivers are becoming tired,fatigued or whatever,they might possibly realise drivers are working too many hours,and decide to cut the maximum shifts down from a 15 hour day,to say a 12 and a half hour day?
…i wait with baited breath…
You beat me to it, that example is marketed on driver fatigue.
Sort out the cause of fatigue, instead of the symptom of the cause…cheaper and safer.
I love the way all these things are cleverly marketed as an advantage,.and as an aid and benefit to the driver.
edd1974:
Here’s a scenario. Drives have had in cab cameras for a few years is becoming the norm.
But say Mr stobarat. Mr tuner or Mr FedEx. Etc decided to install cameras in there transport offices one on each pc to monitor his workforce. Do you think thed just accept it?
And personally I think they should do.
productivity might improve then. Instead of us being ignored while there on Facebook etc.
They do. It’s called browser history. Most companies have sophisticated software that logs every keystroke, time at the workstation etc etc. There’s been some high profile cases where people have been fired for checking Facebook on work time. Most offices have cameras installed for staff ‘safety’.
edd1974:
Here’s a scenario. Drives have had in cab cameras for a few years is becoming the norm.
But say Mr stobarat. Mr tuner or Mr FedEx. Etc decided to install cameras in there transport offices one on each pc to monitor his workforce. Do you think thed just accept it?
And personally I think they should do.
productivity might improve then. Instead of us being ignored while there on Facebook etc.
They do. It’s called browser history. Most companies have sophisticated software that logs every keystroke, time at the workstation etc etc. There’s been some high profile cases where people have been fired for checking Facebook on work time. Most offices have cameras installed for staff ‘safety’.
It’s not just driver’s who are being watched.
There’s a world of difference between being monitored and being literally watched though mate, surely you can see that.
And n the case of the driver who has these abominations fitted, it’s a double surveillance whammy, monitored by tacho and tracker, and watched by camera.
I am on the Agencies nowadays as it suits me and I dont need to work every hour (those days are long gone ) and I can please myself when or what or where I work , No I am not some Thicko who cant hold a full time job down I have done my bit in my time and it is unfair how some people discredit agency drivers , I have seen some full time drivers who should not be let loose in a van let alone an Artic ! , anyway back to the subject Cameras in Cab , the first time I come across them I will be straight back in my car and " Adios Senior " , if we all had stuck together at the start of them coming out they would not have happened but alas although we nowadays have more of an upper hand and crap firms do struggle to get and keep drivers we do seem to still put up with bits of crap like Cameras or No Parking money, 2021 and still some tight arse Hauliers think we are in the 1960s even though they can find money to fit Cab Cameras in.
As said, it’s usually the outfits who pay ■■■■ poor or middling money at best, and/or have no respect for the decent drivers they might have, who consequently have a high turnover of staff and who may well have reputations among drivers as places to avoid, end up having to take any clown who manages to negotiate their way through the door, who are the most likely to feel they need to fit driver facing cameras.
It’s a self sustaining transport business model, pay poorly or expect a week and a halfs worth of work for a weeks wages, and/or disrespect your decent staff and sooner or later the good ones will bugger off, so the also rans that inevitably get recruited do as anyone with half an ounce could have predicted, stupid behaviour, damage, accidents of varying severity.
In comes the greasy pole climbing manager of varying ability from the usual logistics backrounds, steeped in one size fits all based on the lowest common denominator methodology, wouldn’t know a proper lorry driver from a bar of soap, seen plenty of licence holders and very few drivers in the places they last ran and assume all licence holders are of the same competence and mentality, end up demoralising the good staff even more than they were so they gradually get cherry picked off by the few remaining well run outfits who value competence/loyalty etc, sure enough the accident/damage/complaint rate rises enough that insurers baulk at covering.
‘‘I know, we’ll fit live action cameras with remote viewing’’, which they then use to try and get drivers regardless of competence or history on some sort of written warning, supposed to keep them in line and on their toes…irony being the good drivers never needed any threats over their heads to do their work to the best of their ability, but these people don’t get irony it was bypassed at the logistics.com training program.
None of this ■■■■■■■■ is needed if you recruit by cherry picking in the first place, offer good terms and conditions and the sensible people you recruited, which is what cherry picking is all about , will bend over backwards to make the job last by doing the job right.
We have them fitted in ours but they were there before I started with them. Allegedly they only film the cab when the G-sensor hits a certain figure. All that happens is they get an SD card filled with footage of the cab at various jaunty angles somewhere down our farm tracks which have craters bigger than those found on the moon . Apparently the novelty quickly wore off and no-one’s bothered looking at them since.
I’m against them on principle as it implies they don’t trust you, but it’s worth remembering that virtually everyone employed in a retail or factory role has had their activities recorded since CCTV became a thing.
…plus he got two previous warnings ! 