Cat C driver looking into upgrading to C+E but unsure what way to go about this alongside my current (class 2) job and having a hard time tracking down info if anyone had any insight would be really grateful.
-No opportunities to upskill with current employer.
Would have to use annual leave for each try at c+e intensive week which is no issue but would like to try some single days tuition on weekends.
My issue is I can’t find what way this would fit into drivers hours.
The closest I can find, but not sure if it’s right is that the training wouldn’t require a digicard so wouldn’t impact driving hours but that job specific training would cut into my weekly rest period.
Cat C driver looking into upgrading to C+E but unsure what way to go about this alongside my current (class 2) job and having a hard time tracking down info if anyone had any insight would be really grateful.
-No opportunities to upskill with current employer.
Would have to use annual leave for each try at c+e intensive week which is no issue but would like to try some single days tuition on weekends.
My issue is I can’t find what way this would fit into drivers hours.
The closest I can find, but not sure if it’s right is that the training wouldn’t require a digicard so wouldn’t impact driving hours but that job specific training would cut into my weekly rest period.
Thanks for any help.
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Great question, never heard it being asked before
Interested to know how you would get around it
How many hours a day working and driving
How many days a week
Take a week off and do a crash course
Cat C driver looking into upgrading to C+E but unsure what way to go about this alongside my current (class 2) job and having a hard time tracking down info if anyone had any insight would be really grateful.
-No opportunities to upskill with current employer.
Would have to use annual leave for each try at c+e intensive week which is no issue but would like to try some single days tuition on weekends.
My issue is I can’t find what way this would fit into drivers hours.
The closest I can find, but not sure if it’s right is that the training wouldn’t require a digicard so wouldn’t impact driving hours but that job specific training would cut into my weekly rest period.
Thanks for any help.
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You can do a lot during your weekly rest. For example you could do a course at the Open University or an actual University or be a drag racer during your weekly rest. Or heck even do a wilderness survival weekend. The point is yea it is called weekly rest. But what it really means is you get to do whatever you want during your free time without your employer calling you into work / making you work.
Now I am sure some numpty here will say what I said is incorrect but you can ignore them. I am always right.
So, it wont impact your weekly rest as you do not have to declare it on your tacho.
Your also correct that during training the tacho is not even used. Most trainers do not even have a tachograph card until after they have passed and got a licence and done their CPC.
For example I took my full motorcycle training / test during a weekly rest years ago. No issue.
Agree with Adam, no tacho used when I did my training or test.
As long as it’s not your employer putting you through it, then it’s rest.
Get an assessment. You will not need a week. A day or 2 should be enough if you can already drive C.
Having you answered your own question
No digital card required as you said
So why would you ask the question your free to do as you please
Ie simple if you’re not using your digital card for training then who is going to know
An interesting subject, how does it work if a firefighter was on call, waiting for the buzzer to go off , they get paid to be on call, per call out and so much per hour at the incident?
The driver works all week, Monday to Friday.
If it was a large barn or factory fire from Friday night as soon as a HGV driver walks in the door at home,and it lasts until the early hours of Monday morning then the driver whose has been at the fire all weekend will then do a 10 hour drive and a 15 hour day in the lorry.
The same situation for being on a training weekend with no sleep with the reserve forces.
Tom Wellington:
An interesting subject, how does it work if a firefighter was on call, waiting for the buzzer to go off , they get paid to be on call, per call out and so much per hour at the incident?
The driver works all week, Monday to Friday.
If it was a large barn or factory fire from Friday night as soon as a HGV driver walks in the door at home,and it lasts until the early hours of Monday morning then the driver whose has been at the fire all weekend will then do a 10 hour drive and a 15 hour day in the lorry.
The same situation for being on a training weekend with no sleep with the reserve forces.
if you are in the reserves then that is considered exempt. So you can do your weekend in the army and come back with ■■■■ all sleep and crack on as a hgv driver doing a full week. Now is that right? Probably not but that is the way it is.
As for firefighters… I imagine they don’t even bother with tachographs… lol. I don’t really picture them doing manual entries before starting the engine and rushing to a fire… or telling the boss that they can’t attend the fire for another 30 minutes because they are on tacho break.
Sorry, i didn’t explain it clearly as I was thinking of a non driving role when being on call at the weekend for the fire service, the fire engine truck doesn’t have a tachograph fitted , but it would be interesting to know if the driver is required to have a digital card even though he or she won’t need it to drive the fire engine and take a DCPC or not?
When I was in the RAF they never asked me about tachograph regulations and driving in a civilian role at 03.00 am Monday, but when I was leaving they had updated themselves on all the WTD regulations and civilian drivers taking part in training weeks and training weekends and being to fit to work Monday morning or not.
I kept it quiet to the instructors,some captains of ships commute hundreds of miles before and after their duties, one was based on the south coast but lived in Scotland and found the driving a time to relax and contemplate, in a therapeutic way.
VettelAMR22:
-No opportunities to upskill with current employer
“Upskill”? What kind of language is that for a truck driver on TN? That’s “Linked In language”.
VettelAMR22:
Would have to use annual leave for each try at c+e intensive week which is no issue but would like to try some single days tuition on weekends.
My issue is I can’t find what way this would fit into drivers hours.
The closest I can find, but not sure if it’s right is that the training wouldn’t require a digicard so wouldn’t impact driving hours but that job specific training would cut into my weekly rest period.
Any form of training, whether in a vehicle or outside of it, done in your own time (eg annual leave) and for which you are obviously not being paid, does not count towards Drivers Hours nor WTD/RTD, nor are Driver Cards used for training, the tacho will be set to “out of scope” by default.
Think about it for a minute: most people in a training vehicle are not yet qualified HGV drivers, so most would not yet possess a Driver Card, just because you are already Cat C does not mean that different rules apply to you.
Single days of weekend tuition will need to be negotiated with the particular training school you choose, some may offer them, some may not.
I concur about upskilling as you can’t ,because by driving, it’s simply that , driving, you can’t be more skilled ,as it’s just holding on to a steering wheel all day, keep in a straight line, keep it upright and avoid the incompetent drivers.
The skill is getting the naive and gullible to believe you missed the Herald by two minutes and was the middle one on the balcony siege while waiting for 5 hours to tip and 4 hours for the paperwork at the RDC waiting room with lighting that makes drivers have a mental breakdown, I did see that happening once, instead of I am a celebrity get me out of here, it was I am a driver get me out of here.
I was more aiming at the fact that “upskill” is an invented Management Newspeak word, often seen in the company of other LI-style nonsense, such as “visualizing effective digitized strategic synergies to leverage end-point outcomes via actualization models of solution-delivered targets”
Or those annoying long winded buzz or corporate words on trailers involving the words of logistics, corporation, integrated,balanced, harmonised , strategic ,strategy or other nonsense.
Tom Wellington:
Or those annoying long winded buzz or corporate words on trailers involving the words of logistics, corporation, integrated,balanced, harmonised , strategic ,strategy or other nonsense.
The one I see most commonly abused “Delivering (XYZ) Solutions”, with the inference that a “delivery task” is actually “a problem” that requires “a solution”. The more I see of this kind of testicles, the more I realise the genius of Ronseal’s marketing “Does what it says on the tin”.
While I’m in min-rant mode, another one I despise is this idea that we “consume media”
WTF? I’m enjoying listening to my favourite song, revelling in the memories and associations it has, I’m not just “consuming media”, that makes it sound like you’re eating a bag of crisps purely out of boredom.
That’s “Linked In language”.