Brexit stuff in one place [MERGED]

[anon84679660]

whisperingsmith:
anon84679660 — Don’t bother, you can’t debate with Union JACKERY

Union JACKERY is a new craze from the very same people that voted to split Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK and given Scottish nationalism a massive boost

Brexiters displaying the Union Jack are like big game hunters who mount the head of some poor animal they are proud to have slaughtered

I usualy try not to get myself involved in any arguing on here, as no time, busy providing for the family, but today, I’ve been given day off by wifey, so I thought , lets see what;s happening at trucknet.

I very well know, have learned it some time ago, that trying to discuss anything with Brexit Taliban is a waste of time, that’s whay what I mostly do is I just copy and paste interesting articles from some papers, to let them get educated while at the same time not wasting my private time on spending hours, days, on arguing

[anon84679660]

whisperingsmith:
anon84679660 — Don’t bother, you can’t debate with Union JACKERY

Union JACKERY is a new craze from the very same people that voted to split Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK and given Scottish nationalism a massive boost

Brexiters displaying the Union Jack are like big game hunters who mount the head of some poor animal they are proud to have slaughtered

I usualy try not to get myself involved in any arguing on here, as no time, busy providing for the family, but today, I’ve been given day off by wifey, so I thought , lets see what;s happening at trucknet.

I very well know, have learned it some time ago, that trying to discuss anything with Brexit Taliban is a waste of time, that’s whay what I mostly do is I just copy and paste interesting articles from some papers, to let them get educated while at the same time not wasting my private time on spending hours, days, on arguing

[suedehead]

So we cant harvest Mussels , make Sausages ,grow trees and breed horses any more?
We are doomed i tell thee.

[msgyorkie]

Hkloss I have come to the conclusion after your rant that you are a bit of a fool.
The Irish problem is a very very tricky one to solve. In 1998 the Uk and Ireland with mediation from the USA signed the Good Friday agreement. In effect ending the “troubles” in Northern Ireland. The peace has held but only just. There have been tensions but mediation has helped to keep the peace.
Fast forward to today. Nobody and in particular Ireland did not want a hard border between North and South. The EU made this a red line non negotiable at the Brexit talks.
The UK relented but negotiations are STILL ongoing regarding the small details such as soil on diggers etc etc. This will take time to sort out, everybody knew this.
However only a few weeks into the new order and BOOM the EU threw away their hard won red line in order to “punish” the UK over the covid vacination ineptitude shown by the EU.
You really need to brush up on the Irish problem before spouting your anti Brexit bile!!!

[robroy]

Could you just clarify something for me Mr Kloss…Brexit Taliban?
Where, or what, is the connection between an Afghani Islamic fundamentalist para military and political movement and a British member of the public who voted for Brexit?

I’m fairly confident that many members of our armed forces were in the electorate,.a couple of which that I know personally,.and I’m certain, that they would be grossly offended to be equated to this organisation,.after having fought against them for a number of years.

If you are going to attempt to make a point and form an argument,.at least apply some sort of grown up logic, instead of pure drivel .
Sorry to succumb to responding to you, after I said I could not be actually arsed, but I think some clarification needs to be applied here, to your ridiculous analogy.
Cheers…

[msgyorkie]

robroy:
Mods…Can we not have a specialised ‘‘Remainers Whinging Forum’’ where they can belly ache and whinge

This^^^^^^^^^ 100%
Oh and lock it so only the usual suspects can read.

[adam277]

Moaning?

This is not about remoaning.

When checks are introduced in April and in July it is 100% possible that it could be very smooth.

But what we are relying on is the British Government to make it smooth. That is the concern. Because they will mess it up.
“Importers fear UK customs are not ready for the new controls, and that logjams at points of entry could cause fruit and vegetable shortages in the spring.”

This is not about remoaning. Just pointing out that likely the government will fail at this just as they do with most things.

I personally like the idea of free ports. I like the idea of not being tied to the EU.
I just dont think our current government is capable of doing it.
That being said, I dont want Labour running it either as they are even worse.

[biggriffin]

I can’t be bothering to write a reply, takes to long, and the moaners just foam at the place the waffle from…

[juddian]

It’s the grauniad, enough said.

[gidders]

robroy:
Mods…Can we not have a specialised ‘‘Remainers Whinging Forum’’ where they can belly ache and whinge,.and predict and feed each other examples of impending doom, gloom, famine and pestilence, connected to their interpretation of Brexit, until their hearts are content…and give the rest of us a break?

Jeez H Christ man, it’s incessant ffs. , one thread reaches 10 pages, burns out, and dies a death, then another one starts.

Btw…I blame Winseers disappearance on these guys, the poor [zb] has barricaded himself into his bunker, in full tin foil suit, refusing to come out, cos he’s terrified.

It’s exactly the same on the local forum at my place in Spain.Every single thread eventually is reduced to a remoaner/brexit moanfest. FFS

[adam277]

Am I being called a remoaner just for posting an article from the Guardian?
Pretty amusing.

I was in support of Brexit. Granted I wanted a soft Brexit but is what it is.
In what way am I remoaning?

This is not a issue about brexit it is about our border force likely being way under prepared to handle it.
Which seems highly likely. Considering how everytime this government introduces a new system it is complete crap. i.e. Universal Credit. Or the farse with the furlough schemes etc. This government doesnt help a great track record of being well organised.

[harry_monk]

No doubt it would have been better had things been different, but for many years the eu expanded slowly, one or two countries at a time every few years when their economies were nearly aligned with existing member states until 2004 and 2007 when the eu virtually doubled in size overnight by accepting nearly all of the post-Communist states with their basket case economies.

To make matters worse, although the vast majority of existing members placed an embargo on workers from those states working in their territories, Tony Blair thought it would be a terrific wheeze to have an army of third-world labour undercutting British wage rates for the benefit of his wealthy chums and so he opted out of this.

The rest is history.

[wrighty1]

In what way are furlough schemes a farce I wouldn’t have minded sitting on my arse for a few months on 80% wages, also vaccinations seem to be going extremely well. The pandemic is a difficult thing for anyone to manage unless your name is Karen from the Internet of course, then you’re all experts [emoji6]

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[harry_monk]

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[adam277]

Harry Monk:
No doubt it would have been better had things been different, but for many years the eu expanded slowly, one or two countries at a time every few years when their economies were nearly aligned with existing member states until 2004 and 2007 when the eu virtually doubled in size overnight by accepting nearly all of the post-Communist states with their basket case economies.

To make matters worse, although the vast majority of existing members placed an embargo on workers from those states working in their territories, Tony Blair thought it would be a terrific wheeze to have an army of third-world labour undercutting British wage rates for the benefit of his wealthy chums and so he opted out of this.

The rest is history.

100% Agree with you.
I know any suggestion that Romainains / Polish / Bulgarians coming over to work was a bad move is considered at racist. But I personally, I thought it was a terrible move.
If it wasnt for that we would probably still be in the EU. I have worked in warehouses in which English was a 2nd language. I have worked for UK companies in which I was the only British driver.

The UK done well before the EU though and will do so again.

The furlough scheme failed in many ways. Completely open for abuse letting people steal billions of money from the tax-payer. It also didnt protect millions of people. In particular the self-employed.
“In a sign of major flaws in the £12.7bn self-employment income support scheme (SEISS), more than 400,000 workers were able to claim support despite losing no income in the crisis.”

Also I think scheme costs way too much money. We are paying people to stay at home even though they will not have jobs to return back to.
Maybe I am being pessimistic here. But there seems to be a belief that once we are all vaccinated everything will return to normal.
I do not think this will be the case. I think the Cinema industry as we know it is done. That will take years to get back to what it used to be. Same with the restraunt industry. Probably the same with pubs as well. How many of them can afford over a year like this?
Why are we furloughing Cinema employees for example? They simply wont have a job to return back to.

Now I may be wrong. Hopefully, I am. But I am betting when furlough ends and we all go back to some normality there will be mass layoffs. Which defeats the entire purpose of the furlough scheme. Which was to prevent layoffs.

I am not expert. Just a random guy on the internet giving my view. Maybe that makes me a Karen though.
I do always try to be as objective as possible though. I dont support anyone party. Poltically though I am probably centre right.

[msgyorkie]

Gidders:

robroy:
Mods…Can we not have a specialised ‘‘Remainers Whinging Forum’’ where they can belly ache and whinge,.and predict and feed each other examples of impending doom, gloom, famine and pestilence, connected to their interpretation of Brexit, until their hearts are content…and give the rest of us a break?

Jeez H Christ man, it’s incessant ffs. , one thread reaches 10 pages, burns out, and dies a death, then another one starts.

Btw…I blame Winseers disappearance on these guys, the poor [zb] has barricaded himself into his bunker, in full tin foil suit, refusing to come out, cos he’s terrified.

It’s exactly the same on the local forum at my place in Spain.Every single thread eventually is reduced to a remoaner/brexit moanfest. FFS

What forum are you on Gidders? I used to be on La Marina forum untill it went dead. Now i dip in and out of Cost Blanca Forum.

[mick_bracewell]

msgyorkie:

robroy:
Mods…Can we not have a specialised ‘‘Remainers Whinging Forum’’ where they can belly ache and whinge

This^^^^^^^^^ 100%
Oh and lock it so only the usual suspects can read.

• another.

There needs to be a sticky’d brexit thread for all this crap then the usual suspects can argue amongst themselves for as long as they want without dragging the rest of the site into the gutter.

[gordon_50]

Maybe it’s because the taliban (terrorism aside) were a patriotic group trying to regain control of their country after it was over run by a foreign power!

[anon84679660]

robroy:
Mazzer, why are you even bothering to respond to these guys, it just encourages them…even I have stopped.
I now just dip in and out of these type threads at intervals, .and observe in astonishment (and tbh amusement ) at all the bitterness and petulance manifesting it’s self.
They love all this bile letting, and wallowing in negativity, it’s like a safety valve outlet for all the frustration of them not getting their own way, it’s an obsession.
Just let them crack on mate, the more they go on,.and the longer the long winded posts, the more they show themselves up, resorting to name calling and insults .and the more they are oblivious to how they are actually coming across. .
Cue the responsive insults. …but I see myself as a therapist towards them.

Here’s my response to our irate friend.
youtu.be/9sfz3OmOY3A

Come on Robroy, you were here day and night defending Brexit , before we had any idea of what shape it will take, you have only given up recently when you have realised what ■■■■ up it has become in every department, so don’t try to paint yourself as such a nice , easy going, peace loving fella.
If there was anywhere any shade of a doubt , you would have been here, day and night , as in the past, trying to fight every angle of this terrible agreement that you and your mates are responsible for voting for.

This website could be renamed robroytrucknet and it couldn’t be far off the mark.
Whenever I open these page, the name I see on constant basis is Robroy, in fact all of you most hardened Brexiters are constantly posting here, day and night, but somehow , when it became obvious Brexit has been huge national disaster, you have all gone missing from any Brexit related thread, just missing in action, gone with the wind, you can go for days without seeing any Talibanised Brexiter posting anything.
Suddenly you have all become speachless.

I’m not surprised, to be honest , I would be too, you, and your mates have put so much hope in Brexit, a magic panaceum for all your failings in your lives, something finally came good, something finaly went right in your miserable day to day existence, you have won finaly something, you have won the referendum, and now, you were not going to let it go, for all the money in the world, it was finaly your victory, you were going to pubs, high fiving each other, life started looking hopefull again.

But now, the reality has hit home, in the end it doesn’t look like it is panaceum for all your lives’ failings, but you have been conned again, by people you have put so much trust in, how could this happen to you and your Brexit mates again?

Life is so unfair , isn’t it Robroy, and you can’t even go to a pub to have a rant with your mates, or a long series of rants and then you see even more evidence piling up, on daily basis, how unresolved things are , despite being assured, a good deal has been struck.

This Brexit issue is not going anywhere Robroy, you need to grow thicker skin, you will be hearing a lot more bad news over the coming days, weeks, months and years.

[anon84679660]

msgyorkie:
Hkloss I have come to the conclusion after your rant that you are a bit of a fool.
The Irish problem is a very very tricky one to solve. In 1998 the Uk and Ireland with mediation from the USA signed the Good Friday agreement. In effect ending the “troubles” in Northern Ireland. The peace has held but only just. There have been tensions but mediation has helped to keep the peace.
Fast forward to today. Nobody and in particular Ireland did not want a hard border between North and South. The EU made this a red line non negotiable at the Brexit talks.
The UK relented but negotiations are STILL ongoing regarding the small details such as soil on diggers etc etc. This will take time to sort out, everybody knew this.
However only a few weeks into the new order and BOOM the EU threw away their hard won red line in order to “punish” the UK over the covid vacination ineptitude shown by the EU.
You really need to brush up on the Irish problem before spouting your anti Brexit bile!!!

You , to me look like a proper fool msgyorkie.
The Irish problem has been known before the referendum, and after referendum, has been known for the last 4 years of negotiation with EU, but we were assured on countless occasion buy the victorious Brexiters , it’s easy to resolve.
I don’t even rememeber it was much discussed before the referendum, considered as no issue.
Now, suddenly, in the last few years of negotiations it has become an issue, but still the public was being assured, it can easily be dealt with, and that Brexiters, had a plan, as far as I remembers Brexit winners had numerous plans, whatever problem they were asked about ralating to the Norther Ireland, they have always had an easy to implement plan.

Where are all these easy to implement plans now?
Where have they gone, who took them away from us when we most need them?

Only a couple of months ago a good deal was signed , covering all aspects of Brexit, including Northern Ireland problem, we were assured , all was good, all questions that needed to be asked were asked, and satisfactory answers produced.

Yet, now, only two months later, the deal suddenly isn’t good, needs to be improved.

So, what has gone wrong msgyorkie?

From very good deal, covering all aspects of Brexit , including Northern Ireland problem, which was voted overhelmingly, in the parliament, by all Brexit heavyweights, includeing B. Johnson, Farage, ERG with Rees - Mogg at the helm, to not a good deal only a couple of months later?

And I remeber clearly, how ERG was taking longer to decide whether to vote for it, or not, because their lawyers were going through page by page of this very important agreement, all pages had to be read and approved by their lawyers and ERG heavy weight themselves, including agreement regarding Northern Ireland.

What is wrong with these people, your Dear Leaders, how can trust trust any of them?

Who looks fool now msgyorkie?
You voted for these clowns to run the country and complete the deal on your behalf.