No correlation at all between you constantly criticising the Tory govt on a daily basis, who were sh,.and leaving the Labour govt alone…who are equally sh.
Yeah OK.
Brexit “divorce bill” already at 24 billion
Yes we used to pay into the eu budget 350 million a week as the bus said, it was actually less than that. but the eu did lots of things for us. Eg the eu would negotiate trade deals with Japan or wherever, the European medicine agency which used to be in London would certify drugs
Now we pay 24 billion for nothing
You use the term ‘divorce’ interestingly🤔…
I personally know a lot of blokes who have gone through expensive divorces who consider it money well spent.
If you want to look at ‘expensive ventures’… look at the cost of illegal…(whoops musn’t upset the poor delicate lefties, I mean 'irregular of course) immigrants.
Now that is well expensive…and current…and ongoing.
Yeah it ‘did lots for us’ as you say.
It paid us thouands from the millions we wasted putting into it
Anyway, whatever, it’s consigned to the history books now, we left it.
Starmer will maybe get us back in anyway, in all but name, despite a referendum, so all may not be lost eh?
Yeah but did those blokes have to spend the rest of their lives living next door to their ex wives or having to get most of their food supplies from them eh?
We’re still in Europe and we can never leave
We’ve always been in Europe geographically, which is fine by me.
Trading with Europe was/is also fine.
Thing is though it was being virtually controlled by Europe that the majority of us objected to.
All this has been done to death already.
Anyway another ‘whys and whens’ about Brexit is only going to summon the dark forces of our Brexit specialist, so I’ll leave it there maybe
“UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%… the UK government’s ability to influence policies doesn’t only occur through voting—which is a ‘Yes’ or a ‘No’ situation—but also in negotiations over the actual text of a draft law.
Many accounts have shown that the UK diplomatic service has—at least historically—been very skilled in such negotiations over important laws.
Second, the records only relate to votes on proposed laws that eventually pass.
So we simply do not know how often the UK successfully opposed proposals, or failed to get things it wanted, as these are not mentioned in the official figures.”
FullFact.
We still have the EU as our biggest trading partner, and that is not about to change any time soon.
We are bound today by all their rules if we wish to export to them, but we now have no influence on what those rules are.
this is the mindset that caused Brexit tbh the idea that the EU was a foreign power and not a union that we were a full member of, where British people worked at the highest levels
virtually controlled? the single market was our idea, Margaret Thatchers was its architect. and expanding to easter Europe was mainly Tony Blairs idea
we elected not to join the Euro, and not to join Schengen, two of the EUs big ideas, and that was absolutely fine. during covid, Sweden chose not to lockdown at all. Portugal has decriminalised all drugs. they are sovereign countries and they can do what they want
Rob roy has some very strongly held views and I won’t be able to change his mind but I don’t recognise them having much to do with reality. some laws are best made at local and national level and some laws are best for the whole of Europe, so can be agreed on at the EU. ironically we will continue to be bound by many of these same laws going forward, have a think on that when you set your cruise control to 90 kilometres an hour today
People can go on about trade deals, laws, red tape etc when it comes to Brexit but it happened simply based on people’s views on immigration. People felt their concerns on the issue weren’t listened to or dealt with by successive governments and voted accordingly.
Yeah ok mate, you have your views, and I have mine…but as I said, I’m kinda done with discussing the ins and outs of it, it’s history as far as I go with it now, I try and move on and make the best of a bad job…as with everything else.
Suffice to say the original concept was purely a trade agreement, the ‘Common Market’ which was ok, but not some political ‘4th Reich’ style Euro superstate, led by dubious self serving meglomaniacs, with it’s own laws, currency, and combined military forces…(yeah ok I get the NATO thing btw before you pick me up) that system has already been tried out by some other Euro meglomaniac, a little Austrian guy.
Anyhow looks I have actually started to discuss it after all, 
…, so I’ll knock it on the head.
What I will say as a parting shot is, as ever we were led and conned by certain politicians, and the results and legacy of the half arsed way in which it had been implemented is neither what a lot of us wanted or expected who voted for it.
You will read these biased polls telling you/us that a lot of ‘Brexit voters regret doing it’ (not me btw) which you lot just love hearing…
Yeah they do, but not for the reason that they suddenlly decide it was a good thing for our country…( tbf SOME of it actually was) it is for the reasons above alteady layed out.
Franglais is yer man if you want a long drawn out discussion on this cack, he’ll prattle on to death about it.
Knock the lights out when you are both done.
So, has Brexit done anything to help those with immigration concerns?
Oh Jeez why do I always take the bait from this bloke, when I say I aint responding…I need my ass whipped seriously l🙄
NOOOoooooooooooooo it has not !
That is the whole effin point innit ffs man! !
Where is the nearest brick wall I need to bang my heed.
So if Brexit means
No gains concerning immigration. No economic gains. But in fact economic losses.
Can we agree it is not a good thing?
So why not talk about, at some future point, getting back in?
To make trade and travel, easier and cheaper, again.
Is there any reason to stay out…and us pay more for imports, while our exports are hit because our EU customers pay more?
Do you NEVER f.in give up man?
Can’t believe I have to reiterate this…even to you who can not face reality, but prefers a version of it for anything you do not agree on.
It is not a good thing no, …but only for the reasons I have stated to you in the past till I am blue in the face…
The way, and the lack of enthusiam, or in fact desire to make it work, but instead a half arsed minimal ‘Seeing to be doing it/keeping up appearances’ type effort.
When the arrogance of Cameon and his crew just assuming the electotate were gullible enough to believe and accept his ‘Great deal’ went tits up for them.
Another strong sense of deja vu I am getting here btw.
The minimum reasoning I can think of for not trying to get back in is basic principle …it would be giving them their own way, and playing into their hands with their Baldrick style ‘cunning plan’, ie…Sicken those who voted Leave.
Then taking it for granted we would fall for it, because they think that we are all just naive and gullible…a bit like yourself in fact.
Rather than go cap in hand on their hands and knees to this corrupt outfit, get somebody in power who actually WANTED to leave,.and who takes no sh off the EU as he sees right through them, and get the type of Brexit we wanted.
So trying to get me to be some servile conformist is a non starter mate, you are barking up the wrong tree…seriously.
Done here.
A deaf and blind man stranded on a remote island would have known why it was voted to get out,
All that was mostly shouted about was what it could save, what independence it would give, what it was costing and most of all keeping the poor illegal immigrants out.
The last one was the one that had influenced people most
In what possible Brexit, negotiated with unlimited enthusiasm, in any real world, what would have been better?
All over the world countries seek to take down trade barriers…why is putting up barriers between the UK and EU in any way going to benefit us?
Bash your head against a wall, yell and wave your arms around, you have not said what you reasonably expected to be better.
You seem to accept that things are actually worse, but still want to out where we are losing out all the time.
Do you still believe in those stories that Brexit could be all ups and no downs?
Only foiled by a cunning group who wanted us all to be worse off?
Yeah, that’ll work.
As I said mate…Done here.
And don’t you dare say I ‘still believe’ any dam thing mate…I have never said anything of the sort.
It is YOU who believes everything they want you to believe…NOT me !
■■■■ it !
I’ve responded again.
Clearly not. But I’ll ask you, do you think those people were let down over what they voted for in that case? Seeing as “take back control” was a pretty big part of the campaign.
I’m all for controlling my own destiny, and the UK being in control as much as possible. I never believed that Brexit would achieve that.
I’m all for sunny days, cheaper food, and better wages. I don’t think that voting for anything will give me that.
“Take back control” was indeed a catch phrase used at the time. Didn’t you take the p155 out of Starmer’?
Yep.
What did “take back control” really mean?
Just like “Brexit means Brexit” a slogan that means many different things to many different people.
Because it is vague anyone who wants to, can latch onto it and support it.
No wonder many feel let down over Brexit, they all wanted different things.
Most of the promises from Leave were about dropping restrictions and getting more deals with further away countries. Many Brexit voters wanted more restrictions especially on migration!
I think you may find that the words “more” and “especially “ were surplus. Of course leaving it out wouldn’t have the impact that you aimed for!
Let’s try it without them shall we? “Many Brexit voters wanted restrictions on migration “. There, that sounds a lot more accurate.
As per usual you have avoided the main point I made and not answered. Nor answered my question about whether people were let down on what they voted for in regards of immigration. You’ve stated your own destiny but not addressed the masses. It was quite simple, leaving the EU should have given us more control over who does or does not enter the country. That is what a lot of people based their vote on regarding Brexit. This has not happened and those reasons why have been debated to death.
You can try and deflect in your usual political spin doctor way by highlighting terminology used but we know what “take back control” meant in context, in the same way we all know “smash the gangs” meant in context.