robroy:
Hold your horses rob - where are you getting this idea that payrises were down to Brexit? What evidence have you got to say that? I never saw a payrise from the leave vote in 2016 vote to 2021. The payrises came AFTER covid hit and everyone went home. Brexit may have had a small effect but the payrises came after Covid, not after Brexit. And I havn’t seen “unprecedented and regular payrises as a result of Brexit”. I saw one payrise about 2 years ago after covid hit. That was it. From what I can see in the job ads pay is going back down again not up.
No, I didn’t say energy prices are down to Brexit. I said a 5% payrise 3 years ago doesn’t mean much when prices have gone up so much.
Ok I can’t actually prove it is down to Brexit, but all I know is since all those years since it was implemented I have had numerous pay raises, in every year since,.sometimes twice in a year, in a firm that is not famous for it’s benevolence towards it’s drivers.
Before that period,.we got the grand total of Jack sh.
So is there a connection or not, you tell me,.but if not, it is glaringly coincidental otherwise.
Btw what makes you think pay raises were down to Covid?
, I personally can not see a connection.
And where is Frangers when you need him, this is right up his strasse,.he’ll be livid he’s missing out.
You got payrises due to brexit in 2016? 2017? 2018? Really? The first payrise I got was 2021 - that was the first time I became aware of the driver shortage too. I thought it was because of the ee’s going home due to the covid downturn. In late 2021 my then boss was arguing with me saying “In 6 months all the ee’s will be back and there wont be a shortage”. He never gave another payrise after those few months in 2021. They are still on the same money now.
Maybe brexit made them stay away but as far as I could tell it was because nobody needed drivers from march 2020 onwards so lots went home.
the maoster:
I received a 20% payrise pre Covid and immediately post Brexit. The reason; supply and demand, as simple as that. Immediately post Brexit drivers were in short supply due to the exodus.
I’m not aware of any exodus from Britain due to the GLOBAL pandemic. Why would they leave?
Because they were paying rent here and had a house in Poland? If theres no work here why stay and pay rent?
So there was a massive driver shortage as far back as 2019 due to people leaving due to Brexit? I never heard about it and I never got a rise till 2021 - thats when I thpught it became an issue - about 12 months after covid hit.
But maybe there is something in the idea that if Brexit had been done by competent people it could have had benefits - like migration being reduced - and I never liked the fact that EU bosses can’t be voted out. But the tories arn’t competent- and when it comes to EU bosses or Rishi, Boris and Moggy - I think I’d have more faith in the EU.
Most of the EE’s I came into contact with had no properties back home, they’d made the conscious decision to settle here and put their kids through the English school system, so despite them being perfectly entitled to remain here they felt unwelcome here and decided to up sticks. I have never seen any evidence of them being unwelcome but I fully believe it happens ( not from me though).
My biggest payrise came shortly after Brexit. During
Covid I received bonuses for working but as we all know bonuses ain’t payrises. That’s my experience but i concede that others may have different ones.
I wasn’t aware of the payrises being dished out pre-Covid because the ee’s had gone home. If that’s what happened to you and rob then fair enough - I can see why you liked Brexit
JeffA:
Read what I said. YOU said energy bills are down to brexit not me.
I did read what you said. You were responding to Dopey who mentioned unprecedented pay rises since Brexit. You then countered by saying any pay rises were wiped out with “an explosion in prices” and then you mentioned energy bills doubling so you were implying that was because of Brexit, otherwise why mention energy prices when someone says Brexit gets a “thumbs up”
He said it while providing no evidence to support his claim that payrises were due to Brexit. They wern’t, they were down to Covid. That’s why they only happened after Covid hit and have started going back down now.
That was just an example from my own personal experience - the rise in my gas bill was more than my payrise.
Talk about cherry picking situations to suit your agenda! So just to be be clear, all the pay rises we have seen in the last 2-3 years are nothing to do with Brexit, but the price increases you mention including your gas bills are … right, gotcha.
For the record, I have had substantial pay rises each year in this time period (union currently negotiating this years from April) - is this down to Brexit? Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. But you mention Covid. We have had £2900 in bonus payments for working during the Covid period of March 2020 through to early 2022 when everything got lifted. A one off lump sum of £2000 and 3 £300 payments at various points so guess that covers the Covid part from our job, so this obviously excludes the pay rises I mentioned which we have had at the same time. All this is my own personal experience from my job and I can’t speak for others, good or bad.
A leading Tory Brexiter on Sunday calls on ministers to reopen the UK’s borders to tens of thousands of young workers from EU nations in order to tackle acute post-Brexit labour shortages that he says are driving up inflation.
In an extraordinary admission of the failures of immigration policy since the UK left the EU, former Tory environment secretary George Eustice said Rishi Sunak’s government should begin bilateral negotiations with EU nations immediately, with a view to offering young Europeans under 35 the right to two- year visas to work in this country.
A leading Tory Brexiter on Sunday calls on ministers to reopen the UK’s borders to tens of thousands of young workers from EU nations in order to tackle acute post-Brexit labour shortages that he says are driving up inflation.
In an extraordinary admission of the failures of immigration policy since the UK left the EU, former Tory environment secretary George Eustice said Rishi Sunak’s government should begin bilateral negotiations with EU nations immediately, with a view to offering young Europeans under 35 the right to two- year visas to work in this country.
Yep, the thin end of the wedge.
The first result of their manipulative plan to ‘go through the motions’ with no real substance, of making Brexit work, and then to use the results of their half arsed approach, (and put a positive spin on it,.from their pov) , to persuade the electorate that it was a ‘‘bad thing’’ to implement their will of Brexit, and a ‘‘good thing’’ to rejoin the EU,.therefore making themselves look good by ‘‘rescuing the country’’ …
Brilliant politics, you have to hand them that,.I mean come on…genius stuff.
Deffo hasn’t fooled me though, but no doubt gullibility will prevail with the naive, and a sense of ‘We told you so’’ rhetoric by the serial whingers will go on.
As I said…Brilliant politics by the pro EU Tories ,.brilliant manipulation of the electorate.
Pure genius at it’s best.
A leading Tory Brexiter on Sunday calls on ministers to reopen the UK’s borders to tens of thousands of young workers from EU nations in order to tackle acute post-Brexit labour shortages that he says are driving up inflation.
In an extraordinary admission of the failures of immigration policy since the UK left the EU, former Tory environment secretary George Eustice said Rishi Sunak’s government should begin bilateral negotiations with EU nations immediately, with a view to offering young Europeans under 35 the right to two- year visas to work in this country.
This is George eustace , who’s nickname was useless , is it not , he’s got about the same amount of credibility as your commie mate Diane abbot
He’s stepping down as a mp so will just be saying what fits in with the local employers, hoping one of them is daft enough to employ him
I do wonder about your motives , I voted remain but can see the benefits of brexit as a lorry driver , pay rises , retention bonuses etc
Yet you want to flood the country with more people , as if all the Africans , Indians , Bulgarians arnt enough , strange
Nb if I’ve read you wrong & your against useless idea I apologise, your still a ira / hebollah / hamas loving commie though
It is amazing that this pretence over Brexit has gone on for as long as it has.
All political leaders by this point could easily admit it, and say
“Brexit is cancelled. If you don’t like it, you can vote Libdem who’ve also promised to reverse Brexit, or Labour - who’ve not promised not to reverse it”.
Cameron in 2016 could and maybe SHOULD have said (after the referedum result was in…)
Sod it! - I’m not doing it! If you don’t like it, you can vote me out in 2020 at the next general election I won’t be standing in!
That way, he would have cleaned up on the PM’s income for another four years, and he wouldn’t have had an excuse to implement the Green new Deal neither…
Covid? - was probably a symptom of both Brexit and the public shifting Rightwards rather than anything real or imaginary, come to that…
People believe what they want to, get offended by what they want to, and carry on regardless despite any clear-and-obvious REAL dangers on the Horizon.
The biggest danger these days?
Infrastructure Failure and the knock-on effects thereof.
A leading Tory Brexiter on Sunday calls on ministers to reopen the UK’s borders to tens of thousands of young workers from EU nations in order to tackle acute post-Brexit labour shortages that he says are driving up inflation.
In an extraordinary admission of the failures of immigration policy since the UK left the EU, former Tory environment secretary George Eustice said Rishi Sunak’s government should begin bilateral negotiations with EU nations immediately, with a view to offering young Europeans under 35 the right to two- year visas to work in this country.
That was never a twist. A large amount of tory Brexiters wanted controlled immigration of cheap immigrants. A lot of the rich tories are in favour of handing out work visas like candy.
The issue they had was they did not want to give them any rights in return. i.e once your done working you can go.
Everyone’s brexit is different there is no consensus on a correct brexit lol.
robroy:
But God help the rest of us,.although I would love it if it was a real.Labour govt with REAL labour values towards the working man… but I will not hold my breath.
Na we are ■■■■■■.
I am not even going to bother voting.
Starmer is basically David Cameron who kicked out Jeremy Corbyn who had a moral backbone even if he a socialist.
Sunak was the dude that ■■■■■■ our economy by giving away money like candy to millions.
The lib dem guy? No idea but ■■■■ Nick Clegg so will not vote for them.
robroy:
But God help the rest of us,.although I would love it if it was a real.Labour govt with REAL labour values towards the working man… but I will not hold my breath.
Na we are [zb].
I am not even going to bother voting.
Starmer is basically David Cameron who kicked out Jeremy Corbyn who had a moral backbone even if he a socialist.
Sunak was the dude that [zb] our economy by giving away money like candy to millions.
The lib dem guy? No idea but [zb] Nick Clegg so will not vote for them.
There’s an argument that it isn’t worth voting, all the while actual popular candidates are not to be found on the ballot papers, except in safe seats where the Lord Bucketheads of this world, stand no chance of being another “Wyre Forest” or “Tatton” candidate in future elections.
Oh how they hate Farage, and those that want Britain to become “singapore in Europe”, myself included…
Be Careful what you wish for, of course… Sometimes the movies depict things - not the way we’d like to have them happen.
Peter sums it up perfectly. Why vote for people you do not like?
I mean the current state of affairs are frankly tragic. I consider myself more right wing now… But I would vote for Corbyn over Starmer or Sunak any day.
Because even though I disagree with his politics… He believes in them… As messed up as that sounds… I want a politician that believes in what they are saying.
Corbyn wants a socialist country for sure and he has barely changed message in the past 30-40 years. What does Starmer want? ■■■■ knows. What does Sunak want… well whatever keeps him in power.
But I am very bitter when it comes to politics. My first vote was around the early 2010s. It was for the Lib dems because they promised to scrap university fees. At the time it was super important to me… We all know how that turned out.
But on the brexit point. The failure of brexit lies with the politicians. The MPs wanted full control of every single law. 99.99% just wanted control of the borders. We could of had a good deal with the EU and kept the borders under control… Yea, would of been a big ask to try and keep access to the single market without open borders but a deal was there to be mad.
We are in a worse spot now thanks to the tory party. The opportunity of brexit is only being used to benefit the wealthy.
Should we rejoin the EU though? No of course not. Not that they would take us back in anyway. A lot of EU countries benefited when we left the EU why would they let us back in and risk that? Germany might want us back in and a few others but largely it will be a long drawn out process that is not worth the hassle we need to move on.
Maybe Starmer can strike some deal but no doubt it will be a ■■■■ deal. So either way we are screwed no matter who is in power.
to paraphrase peter again
Voting legitimizes the voting system and those who gain power, by voting you are giving power and legitmacy to whoever wins the election.
lancpudn:
More trouble at mill! The EU are now referring to the Falklands Islands using the Argentine term Islas Malvinas
We would still now be referring to France as Britain if my plan to annex France whilst all of our men and equipment were sailing past in on their victorious return from The Falklands!
We could have displaced all the French to this dreary and rainy island whilst we decamped en masse to our new Britain. As a kicker we could have constructed a new version of the Maginot line around the whole country to stop all those pesky foreigners from getting in. Genius I tell you.
Edit to add; I did fax numerous copies of my master plan to Whitehall but apparently their fax machine wasn’t working or we’d all be wearing berets now and cycling a lot more.
Asking the UK to enter into “Dialogue” is as Un-PC as asking NATO for the same “DIalogue” over the future of Ukraine…
Notice too, that NATO and America in particular - supported the UK sovereignty over the Falklands NOT ONE JOT when we needed them to join the UK in OUR little war eh?
I say bugger NATO, bugger, Paris accord, and bugger the “International Court” - all of which are not fit for purpose, and encourage international “Mob Rule” behaviour, such as we see in Paris for some time since.
We should have left “Socialism” back in the 20th century like Nazism was supposed to be, not re-vitalize it as the “Only PC accepted form of Nationalism” which FFS is what Nazism happened to be all along…
“Green” stuff is unachievable until and unless we have free electricity world-wide.
Green agenda chasing has pushed UP the price of electric however, and the simple fact is the world population of 8billions are NOT READY to live in grass huts at this time, nor any time for the forseeable future…
Perhaps post-nuclear holocaust maybe hmm?
Peter sums it up perfectly. Why vote for people you do not like?
I mean the current state of affairs are frankly tragic. I consider myself more right wing now… But I would vote for Corbyn over Starmer or Sunak any day.
Because even though I disagree with his politics… He believes in them… As messed up as that sounds… I want a politician that believes in what they are saying.
Corbyn wants a socialist country for sure and he has barely changed message in the past 30-40 years. What does Starmer want? [zb] knows. What does Sunak want… well whatever keeps him in power.
But I am very bitter when it comes to politics. My first vote was around the early 2010s. It was for the Lib dems because they promised to scrap university fees. At the time it was super important to me… We all know how that turned out.
But on the brexit point. The failure of brexit lies with the politicians. The MPs wanted full control of every single law. 99.99% just wanted control of the borders. We could of had a good deal with the EU and kept the borders under control… Yea, would of been a big ask to try and keep access to the single market without open borders but a deal was there to be mad.
We are in a worse spot now thanks to the tory party. The opportunity of brexit is only being used to benefit the wealthy.
Should we rejoin the EU though? No of course not. Not that they would take us back in anyway. A lot of EU countries benefited when we left the EU why would they let us back in and risk that? Germany might want us back in and a few others but largely it will be a long drawn out process that is not worth the hassle we need to move on.
Maybe Starmer can strike some deal but no doubt it will be a [zb] deal. So either way we are screwed no matter who is in power.
to paraphrase peter again
Voting legitimizes the voting system and those who gain power, by voting you are giving power and legitmacy to whoever wins the election.
We always had control of our borders. We were not in Schengen and under EU rules anyone from another EU country not finding work within 3 months could be sent home. Under the Dublin agreement we had the ability to send some asylum seekers back to other EU countries without hearing their claim. Our Government chose not to implement control for reasons known to them.
Brexit has only benefitted the disaster capitalists and those not wanting their tax affairs to be examined. The EU proposed implementing Tax transparency laws in 2020 and the city ran scared!
teech:
We always had control of our borders. We were not in Schengen and under EU rules anyone from another EU country not finding work within 3 months could be sent home. Under the Dublin agreement we had the ability to send some asylum seekers back to other EU countries without hearing their claim. Our Government chose not to implement control for reasons known to them.
Brexit has only benefitted the disaster capitalists and those not wanting their tax affairs to be examined. The EU proposed implementing Tax transparency laws in 2020 and the city ran scared!
We did not.
It is disingenuous to say we did.
Like it or not the reason people voted brexit was because they blamed immigration for the lack of jobs or undercutting of local people.
This was happening in the building trade 10000% percent. There is no denying this.
Same in the trucking game. When I worked at Tuffnells… 70-80% of the hgv driver were from Romania.
As for asylum seekers… we basically had an open door policy. We would send them back and they would go back to Calais for their next crack at getting in. Their chances were pretty good as we had free movement of goods so not all trucks were checked. Now it is more difficult and they opt for boats.
Yea technically we ‘could’ send someone home after 3 months. did it happen? probably but rarely.
I agree Brexit has been a failure. But it should of been an opportunity.
We could of had a good trade deal with the EU… we did not for various reasons. We could of had a good trade deal with many other countries… for whatever reason that has not happened.
Well the reason is clear. This government is completely useless. They wasted billions during the pandemic and they are wasting even more money now in Ukraine.
But either way.
Re-joining the EU is not an option. Even if we did rejoin the EU it would not solve much.
So just to be be clear, all the pay rises we have seen in the last 2-3 years are nothing to do with Brexit, but the price increases you mention including your gas bills are … right, gotcha.
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