Im sure im right in thinking that when double-manning as the tacho goes automatically to POA the 2nd drivers 45min break is taken once the vehicle is moving, Is this correct?
Question 2
I only drive occasionally now (office bound mainly)
Example of 1 of my driving days (well morning really)
Tuesday start 0900, drive 2.30hrs, 30mins loading/unloading, back to yard 1215 ish…
So when i got back i left card in and put tacho onto POA as i was then back in the office,then removed at 1700.
As for question 2 I would assume that you would need to put mode to ‘other work’ once back in office not POA as you are still working in office■■? You would also need to show a break for 6 hour rule. Maybe wrong though as I often am!
Im sure im right in thinking that when double-manning as the tacho goes automatically to POA the 2nd drivers 45min break is taken once the vehicle is moving, Is this correct?
Yes that’s correct, when you’re in the passenger seat on a multi-manning trip the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break as long as you’re not doing any work.
truckertang:
Question 2
I only drive occasionally now (office bound mainly)
Example of 1 of my driving days (well morning really)
Tuesday start 0900, drive 2.30hrs, 30mins loading/unloading, back to yard 1215 ish…
So when i got back i left card in and put tacho onto POA as i was then back in the office,then removed at 1700.
Is this correct?
No that’s not correct, office work is other work not POA so the tachograph should be set on other work except when you have a break.
Norfolknewbie:
As for question 2 I would assume that you would need to put mode to ‘other work’ once back in office not POA as you are still working in office■■? You would also need to show a break for 6 hour rule. Maybe wrong though as I often am!
the first 45 min of poa is assumed to be break. As for the second you should have removed the card when you left the vehicle and made a manual entry to conclude the day, showing work and breaks, next time you put the card in. If you were under EU regs then you need to have a record of your working time for the entire fixed week. Not sure if there was something about an opt-out if you only drive a few times a month. Our occasional drivers are all treated like drivers and have to do a full account of their working time in case they drive on more days than you are allowed.
starfighter:
As for the second you should have removed the card when you left the vehicle and made a manual entry to conclude the day, showing work and breaks, next time you put the card in.
As the vehicle wasn’t being used there’s no reason to take the card out, much easier to leave it in than doing a manual entry the next time it’s inserted into a tachograph
starfighter:
Not sure if there was something about an opt-out if you only drive a few times a month.
There’s no opt out or exemption from the drivers tachograph regulations because you only drive occasionally.
starfighter:
As for the second you should have removed the card when you left the vehicle and made a manual entry to conclude the day, showing work and breaks, next time you put the card in.
As the vehicle wasn’t being used there’s no reason to take the card out, much easier to leave it in than doing a manual entry the next time it’s inserted into a tachograph
starfighter:
Not sure if there was something about an opt-out if you only drive a few times a month.
There’s no opt out or exemption from the drivers tachograph regulations because you only drive occasionally.
As you say if it’s not being used you could leave it in there, personally I always take my card out because I never know if the truck will be used or not.
Having looked in the rulebook what I was thinking of was the exemption from the RTD (working time) for occasional mobile workers. We have a couple of guys who do other jobs but do occasionally have to take a vehicle on the road.
truckertang:
Yes that’s correct, when you’re in the passenger seat on a multi-manning trip the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break as long as you’re not doing any work.
truckertang:
Yes that’s correct, when you’re in the passenger seat on a multi-manning trip the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break as long as you’re not doing any work.
“counted as” or “recorded as” ?
Assumed to be. A break cannot be recorded in a moving vehicle
truckertang:
Yes that’s correct, when you’re in the passenger seat on a multi-manning trip the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break as long as you’re not doing any work.
“counted as” or “recorded as” ?
Well if the tachograph mode is on POA it’s recorded as POA, but if the vehicle is being multi-manned the first 45 minutes of POA will be counted as break by VOSA, or as Wheel Nut says assumed to be break
Here’s a question relating to this that I’ve been looking for an answer. I understand that when double manned, driver 2 is in break for the first 45 minutes of POA, but then after that is this every time the vehicle starts?
My main question is if driver two is in slot 2 and the driver does 4.5 hours of driving, has a break then continues to do the next 4.5 hours, does driver 2 still need to enter a breaks on the tacho. Or does it get added again automatically?
When the vehicle stops and D1 is on break would be a good opportunity for D2 to enter break too. I
presume that D2 is not working at this time? Or if D2 is working then obviously that should be entered.
If D2 does not do this would D2 continue on POA for all 9hr45-ish? I do not know.
Thanks Franglais, that’s what I’m trying to clarify. If D2 can be on POA for the whole duration without having to enter a break on the tacho, as technically they are not working. I’ve tried searching everywhere for an answer.
This happened to me the other day. I was in someone else’s truck with them and they were happy to do the driving. I’m pretty sure I didn’t put my tacho on a break but can’t remember for certain. It wasn’t for the full 9 hours of driving but about 7 hours of me being on POA.
Secondary drivers in multi-manned vehicles may count their time in a cab as POA. But if they do any work while not driving the vehicle, such as navigating, then their time in the passenger seat could count as “other work”.
A driver could choose to take a break during their POA. But they would have to change the work mode on their tachograph to “rest mode”.
Sorry if I’m misunderstanding this but as POA doesn’t count as working time I don’t see that it makes any difference how much break the tachograph records during a continuous stretch of POA.
If driver 1 does 4.5 hours driving and has a break followed by another 4.5 hours of driving and driver 2 is on POA the whole time it makes no difference how many breaks are counted for that period of time, at least one 45 minute break will be counted while driver 2 is on POA so driver 2 will be available to start work if required, and a 45 minute break will be enough for the WTD regardless of the length of shift.
