gardun:
As far as I’m concerned, if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break. I often take a 15 sitting in the cab in a queue to tip - not driving, watching a DVD or playing with phone/laptop/other
So what do you say to VOSA when they stop you and all your tacho shows is drive or break?
I would refer them to what I wrote
if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break
sometimes I check the vehicle/load, open/close curtains, strap the load, move curtains/straps etc. etc. all of which are work. For this I use crossed hammers. Simples.
gardun:
As far as I’m concerned, if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break. I often take a 15 sitting in the cab in a queue to tip - not driving, watching a DVD or playing with phone/laptop/other
So what do you say to VOSA when they stop you and all your tacho shows is drive or break?
I would refer them to what I wrote
if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break
sometimes I check the vehicle/load, open/close curtains, strap the load, move curtains/straps etc. etc. all of which are work. For this I use crossed hammers. Simples.
Saaamon:
I often put it on break whilst stripping the boards out and rolling up straps etc, as long as your not driving with it on break as apprently vosa take a dim view of that.
how are you on a break if your still carrying out work related tasks vosa would take a dim view of that as what your describing is other work not a break
If you work in a shop, factory or pub, the boss tells you when to have your breaks, what is so different with us? and other workers are not paid either
I really dont like taking breaks in honesty, I find after eating my butties and having a quick cigarette (outside the cab might i add!!) im chewing the steering wheel to get going again. Id rather throw it on break while at a job or something and get home a little earlier!
Your on a day rate and job and knock = Breaks at delivery points
Your on hourly pay and the quicker you go the more they give you or day rate but not job and knock = Breaks at services , laybys with greasy joes and and anywhere really thats earning you more wedge or doing less work
If you are in a bay or waiting somewhere but not doing anything work related break.
Strapping load doing curtains etc is work.
However real world Friday afternoon thoughts of getting home or down the pub etc I’m sure most of us would nick a breAk while doing this.
kr79:
If you are in a bay or waiting somewhere but not doing anything work related break.
Strapping load doing curtains etc is work.
However real world Friday afternoon thoughts of getting home or down the pub etc I’m sure most of us would nick a breAk while doing this.
D’ya think?? Not that I ever would, otherwise I’d have RossvStobart breathing down my neck
gardun:
As far as I’m concerned, if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break. I often take a 15 sitting in the cab in a queue to tip - not driving, watching a DVD or playing with phone/laptop/other
So what do you say to VOSA when they stop you and all your tacho shows is drive or break?
gardun:
As far as I’m concerned, if I’m doing what I want and it’s not work or driving then I can call it a break. I often take a 15 sitting in the cab in a queue to tip - not driving, watching a DVD or playing with phone/laptop/other
So what do you say to VOSA when they stop you and all your tacho shows is drive or break?
Say you don’t get out the cab to tip or load.
Then they will say ok then but how do you do your daily checks??
kr79:
If you are in a bay or waiting somewhere but not doing anything work related break.
Strapping load doing curtains etc is work.
However real world Friday afternoon thoughts of getting home or down the pub etc I’m sure most of us would nick a breAk while doing this.
D’ya think?? Not that I ever would, otherwise I’d have RossvStobart breathing down my neck
Real world yes trucknet world noting would surprise me. The way some of them carry on I think they would book a night out if they got to max driving hours outside the gate of the yard.
Its no wonder that British workers lose out to foreign compitition in the employment market. This sort of work shy jobsworth attitude is becoming endemic in British haulage and one of the reasons we as a nationality can’t compete against anybody else who just shows up on our doorstep with a bit of willing. By the time the British driver has stopped gabbering on about his DCPC, his smartly polished boots, his excellent understanding of the WTD and tachograph hours and how the before mentioned knowledge means that he most certainly can not do the job he’s just been asked to do and how society as a whole should bow down to his undeniable professional capabilities as a steering wheel attendant and how he should be on a wage on par with a doctor or airline pilot due to his honoury degree in using EU dictat to avoid ‘real work sitations’ and his government quango issued NVQ in Transportation and Logistics claptrap that enables him to manouver his blue chip company fleet spec MAN 63 miles up the M1 from depot to depot with a cucumber shaped dose of self importance rammed up his jacksy that he waggles at others for having the audacity to do something as henious as drive for 4:31 or walk across a yard without a high vis…I’ve lost my train of thought now but you get the idea, those people and there are plenty of them are nothing more than parasites or cockroaches in my opinion and it is inevitable, sad as it is to admit so, that British firms lose out to foreign competition or that British firms are forced to employ foreigners as that is the only way the job will get done most of the time as the risk of a British driver going on a mini-strike and forming a one man picket by the yard gate is too great when he’s asked to do a night out or pick up a tilt from the dock and open the sides up to tip it. A very sad state of affairs but it is what it is. Am I the only one who thinks this way!!!
I know what you are saying when you read some of the stuff on here. Although a lot of the American drivers especially for the big firms seem the same.
Although its a two way street the way a lot of the big firms don’t give the drivers any room to think for them selves probaly breeds that attitude to a certain extent.
Not long before I left the UK I had to pick my truck up from Volvo and while I was waiting a driver come in to get his oil topped up. I asked does his yard have oil he said yes but he doesn’t have room in the cab to carry a can of oil. He only had an fm but come on how much space does a can of oil cost
kr79:
I know what you are saying when you read some of the stuff on here. Although a lot of the American drivers especially for the big firms seem the same.
Although its a two way street the way a lot of the big firms don’t give the drivers any room to think for them selves probaly breeds that attitude to a certain extent.
Not long before I left the UK I had to pick my truck up from Volvo and while I was waiting a driver come in to get his oil topped up. I asked does his yard have oil he said yes but he doesn’t have room in the cab to carry a can of oil. He only had an fm but come on how much space does a can of oil cost
I agree with what you’re saying, and a reason so many drivers are now useless is because they’ve being moulded that way by large firms who institutionalise their workforce. I’ve always worked for small firms with 15-30 trucks and when we’ve had guys come to work for us who’ve done any amount of time at bigger firms it usually ends in tears and they’re gone within a few weeks.
As for many of the Americans on for the large fleets, I never realised human evolution stopped in their gene pool in the pond life stage until I’d witnessed first hand the things I have in my four years over here. The only difference is that they will actually go to work and stay away for weeks and months on end with no complaint about their crap milleage rate and lack of pay for sitting around. Its polar extremes really.
I’m the same always worked at smaller places where you are left to sort things yourself if possible.
I must admit 90% of Americans are mental or morons.
Got talking to one in a truckstop said he had been to Britain but thought it very backwards. Lived in a trailer as his mum had to sell her house to pay medical bills and thought it wS acceptable to sit in a garage five days to have a head gasket done. As they say only in America
kr79:
I’m the same always worked at smaller places where you are left to sort things yourself if possible.
I must admit 90% of Americans are mental or morons.
As Clarkson once said, driving while being American is on par, or indeed worse than driving while under the unfluence of alcohol. A very true comment.
I actually know how this Pearl got started. It’s because a driver got done for break offences outside of a German discount supermarket RDC for tipping on break and then moaned about in another waiting room somewhere. OP, was the original bloke wearing Green? If so he was in our yard the other day telling us the same story. He asked if he could take a break on the estate outside and when I said he would have time to take it on the bay he came out with this sad tale.
