waynedl:
I think you’ll find your company will now be gettin’ the £500 medical bill with the claim for the barrier.
For the barrier maybe, for the medical bill no chance. It was Sainsbury’s choice to employ a medical contractor to take tests at £500 for what is essentially their own personal curiosity, they cannot charge the driver’s company for it.
I’d have refused a breath and urine test and said that if they want to do them then they’ll need to ask the police as they have no right. If they suspected you of drink or drug driving then the police should be involved, they do not have the power to do it themselves unless you agree, what’s next, cavity searches after they ask to see inside your trailer before you leave?
Now therein lays the problem. Most companies have their terms of entry posted for all to see and in amongst it all is your agreeing to this by entering the site.
Quite a few companies have this within all their rules and entry regs, it is just not often noticed until things go a bit wrong
tofer:
That’s what has always made me laugh at our place. Have an accident and then you are allowed to continue driving all day, return to the depot and then have an alcohol test.
Wouldn’t want someone turning up over the limit would they?
the test they do is a DRUG AND ALCOHOL test (dna), you did not have to do one as you work for a supplier,you could have refused and all thy would have done is phone your gaffer to exchange ins details,and as for your name and address i would have told them to [zb] off,…i know what you did with that barrier because ive nearly done the same thing but you should have stopped at the speed bump so you can see the barrier(outgate) or 1 meter before.simplethere is no policy at sainsburys with DNA test only if there drivers have been in a accident they can give you a test and only search you and your vehicle if you get a red light on the search scan remote,otherwise [zb] em
Was waiting to get into a store one day on the street school lunch time some kid chucks a half brick at the truck, partly smashes the rear light cluster. Witnesses etc… Go in to store better call depot let them know whats happend.
Don’t worry we will send someone out to fix the lights and we will also send someone out to bring you back, since you have had an incident you can’t drive.
Back to depot will need to go for a drugs and alcohol test, thinking of telling them where to go but this was last Spring very little work around, and was getting decent hours and decent pay where as lot of people struggling to get anything, so thought no point arguing about it, need the job. Sat for hours about 5 reading my book, passed the test, asked if i wanted to go back out do another store, i did loads of over time for two local deliveries
Seen suppliers before being taken away for a drugs test, guess problem is if you do tell them where to go basically lost an easish run, since its usually regular guys in every night or every second night. So kinda got you over a barrel, but screwed if getting ready to leave and somthing happens and your going for a boat.
Store staff can be nippy as well, was in one store just tipped it and backfill, was two other trucks waiting to get in, decided to nip very quickly into the store get a packet of ■■■■ and a bottle of juice.
Asked for 20 Richmond king size, woman put them in a bag, paid, then i noticed she had given me menthol ■■■■, said gave me the wrong ■■■■, her reply was you need to go to customer service i can’t change them or give you a refund, looked over at customer service till about 10 people waiting in a Q.
My exact words where you are … joking i’m in a hurry to get out of here, two other trucks waiting to get in, no point aruging with a zombie over to customer service.
Q goes down quickly, woman at customer service explain the mistake, yes i can sort that out no problems, but unfortunatly i can not leave the customer service desk unattended, will have to wait till another collegue returns from lunch ! I went mental your staffs mistake not mine, i aint trying to return anything want what i asked for, got truck blocking the bay etc… she called over security guard because of my “attitude”, i told her to get her manager and i would be contacting my depot, she then quickly left the desk unattended got me my ■■■■ and i left.
Kenny1975:
Store staff can be nippy as well, was in one store just tipped it and backfill, was two other trucks waiting to get in, decided to nip very quickly into the store get a packet of ■■■■ and a bottle of juice.
Asked for 20 Richmond king size, woman put them in a bag, paid, then i noticed she had given me menthol ■■■■, said gave me the wrong ■■■■, her reply was you need to go to customer service i can’t change them or give you a refund, looked over at customer service till about 10 people waiting in a Q.
My exact words where you are … joking i’m in a hurry to get out of here, two other trucks waiting to get in, no point aruging with a zombie over to customer service.
Q goes down quickly, woman at customer service explain the mistake, yes i can sort that out no problems, but unfortunatly i can not leave the customer service desk unattended, will have to wait till another collegue returns from lunch ! I went mental your staffs mistake not mine, i aint trying to return anything want what i asked for, got truck blocking the bay etc… she called over security guard because of my “attitude”, i told her to get her manager and i would be contacting my depot, she then quickly left the desk unattended got me my ■■■■ and i left.
And these people are employed to deal with the public WTF is wrong with people these days, all you ever seem to hear is 'I can’t do that because of health and safety/not company policy/not my job/I’m too [zb]ing awkward and lazy to help you it should be legal to punch people like this
It’s insurance policy to never admit liability.So it would have been a case of gate what zb gate I have’nt hit any zb gate it was raised when I went through it.
I was talking to a chap recently who had to hold an artic driver in his company (he ouldn’t allow him out of his sight) until a person arrived to carry out a drug & Alchohol test on this driver. All he’d done was mis-judge something & hit a piece of barrier with his trailer wheels causing a puncture. All my insurance calls for is an exchange of details & nothing more.
I don’t agree with anyone being held against their will but I feel the police would give a breath test if something happened on the road so may well not support a driver if they were called due to a refusal to take the test. This situation needs sorting out, perhaps someone will find out & post the information so we ALL know where we stand because these jumped up managers we all have to contend with these days have nothing better to do than bring in more & more stupid rules & regulations to cover up their inability to do their jobs.
Basilbrush:
I was talking to a chap recently who had to hold an artic driver in his company (he ouldn’t allow him out of his sight) until a person arrived to carry out a drug & Alchohol test on this driver. All he’d done was mis-judge something & hit a piece of barrier with his trailer wheels causing a puncture. All my insurance calls for is an exchange of details & nothing more.
I don’t agree with anyone being held against their will but I feel the police would give a breath test if something happened on the road so may well not support a driver if they were called due to a refusal to take the test. This situation needs sorting out, perhaps someone will find out & post the information so we ALL know where we stand because these jumped up managers we all have to contend with these days have nothing better to do than bring in more & more stupid rules & regulations to cover up their inability to do their jobs.
BB
What’s to stop you leaving though, BB? I suppose it could be a breach of contract between customer and haulier?
Basilbrush:
I was talking to a chap recently who had to hold an artic driver in his company (he ouldn’t allow him out of his sight) until a person arrived to carry out a drug & Alchohol test on this driver. All he’d done was mis-judge something & hit a piece of barrier with his trailer wheels causing a puncture. All my insurance calls for is an exchange of details & nothing more.
I don’t agree with anyone being held against their will but I feel the police would give a breath test if something happened on the road so may well not support a driver if they were called due to a refusal to take the test. This situation needs sorting out, perhaps someone will find out & post the information so we ALL know where we stand because these jumped up managers we all have to contend with these days have nothing better to do than bring in more & more stupid rules & regulations to cover up their inability to do their jobs.
BB
What’s to stop you leaving though, BB? I suppose it could be a breach of contract between customer and haulier?
I’m sure anyone can walk/drive off the site without taking the tests, but I doubt they or their company would be allowed back again.
Basilbrush:
I was talking to a chap recently who had to hold an artic driver in his company (he ouldn’t allow him out of his sight) until a person arrived to carry out a drug & Alchohol test on this driver. All he’d done was mis-judge something & hit a piece of barrier with his trailer wheels causing a puncture. All my insurance calls for is an exchange of details & nothing more.
I don’t agree with anyone being held against their will but I feel the police would give a breath test if something happened on the road so may well not support a driver if they were called due to a refusal to take the test. This situation needs sorting out, perhaps someone will find out & post the information so we ALL know where we stand because these jumped up managers we all have to contend with these days have nothing better to do than bring in more & more stupid rules & regulations to cover up their inability to do their jobs.
BB
What’s to stop you leaving though, BB? I suppose it could be a breach of contract between customer and haulier?
I’m sure anyone can walk/drive off the site without taking the tests, but I doubt they or their company would be allowed back again.
I think this is a very dodgy area, detaining someone on the pretext of testing them for drink or drugs. As it is not an offence if the incident happens on private land then they have no powers of arrest. The same applies if you are driving for that comapny, it is a bit late to test someone hours after the event. Where do they stand if they find you are unfit, having instructed you to return to your base. If you leave the site without being tested the company may be in an awkward position to ban a driver or indeed all that suppliers drivers on suspicion that a driver was unfit to drive.
If the RDC’s wish to carry out such tests then they should inform all suppliers who in turn should advise their hauliers. It is a bit late in the day when you have arrived on a site to discover their procedures.
I think it is a case of overzealous individuals being given too much power.
Basilbrush:
I was talking to a chap recently who had to hold an artic driver in his company (he ouldn’t allow him out of his sight) until a person arrived to carry out a drug & Alchohol test on this driver. All he’d done was mis-judge something & hit a piece of barrier with his trailer wheels causing a puncture. All my insurance calls for is an exchange of details & nothing more.
I don’t agree with anyone being held against their will but I feel the police would give a breath test if something happened on the road so may well not support a driver if they were called due to a refusal to take the test. This situation needs sorting out, perhaps someone will find out & post the information so we ALL know where we stand because these jumped up managers we all have to contend with these days have nothing better to do than bring in more & more stupid rules & regulations to cover up their inability to do their jobs.
BB
What’s to stop you leaving though, BB? I suppose it could be a breach of contract between customer and haulier?
I’m sure anyone can walk/drive off the site without taking the tests, but I doubt they or their company would be allowed back again.
I think this is a very dodgy area, detaining someone on the pretext of testing them for drink or drugs. As it is not an offence if the incident happens on private land then they have no powers of arrest. The same applies if you are driving for that comapny, it is a bit late to test someone hours after the event. Where do they stand if they find you are unfit, having instructed you to return to your base. If you leave the site without being tested the company may be in an awkward position to ban a driver or indeed all that suppliers drivers on suspicion that a driver was unfit to drive.If the RDC’s wish to carry out such tests then they should inform all suppliers who in turn should advise their hauliers. It is a bit late in the day when you have arrived on a site to discover their procedures.
I think it is a case of overzealous individuals being given too much power.
On the first point I would think they would be banned for not following the company’s policies, and second point as you enter the site rules are advertised at the entrance to the premises, a bit like clamping notices in car parks
newmercman:
WTF is wrong with people these days, all you ever seem to hear is 'I can’t do that because of health and safety/not company policy/not my job/I’m too [zb]ing awkward and lazy to help you it should be legal to punch people like this
Had one of the supermarkets attempt to do a home delivery to my gaff last week. I live on “the wrong side” of the railway line, through the unmanned level crossing (call the signalman from the phone) 20 yards of gravel track and onto my property.
Sorry Guv, not allowed to deliver over there company H & S rules.
Oh ■■■■■■ really, I suggest you get your backside out of your little van and walk the goods over if you dont want to drive over.
Nope, couldnt do that either as it was now too dangerous to remove shopping from the van.
So, he takes our shopping back and I get onto head office. Guess what, there is no H & S policy to stop them crossing a rail line (didnt think there would be). Lets see what the cretin says tomorrow when he comes to deliver and I produce the email stating there is no policy
If every driver stopped and read all the rules relating to the site whilst at the gate the place would grind to halt very quickly. Therefore the hauliers should be advised in advance.
I have the rules for one site that I deliver to and it states that “peanuts are not permitted” and cannot be consumed or brought onto the site. It is rule number 21 of 22 on the sheet. I happen to have a couple of Snickers bars in my bag, do I throw them in the bin.
Another site has rules about clothing to be worn by drivers, their staff walk along the same walkways wearing completely unsuitable clothing for that area but that is ok. It is H&S related and should apply to everyone.
if you had to sign in you probably already agreed to all sorts of
stuff including this, but who the hell reads all the small print on
gate passes. But i would give nobody my NI number and address PERIOD.
Jimti.
A few yrs ago a security guy from Birmingham got 6 weeks for holding a truck on site by refusing to open the barrier. The police may not be interested, but they HAVE to act if you insist.
