Berliet

Saviem:
You know France really did learn to appreciate the role of the lorry, and more importantly the lorry driver, (and his difficulties, and sacrifices), to the economy of their country. Why this country, or its professional organisations, RHA, FTA, and the Unions, (perhaps the biggest failure in this area), have consistently failed to promote a “good and vital image”, for both road haulage, and more importantly the people involved in our industry to the “man in the street”, I find a source of great sadness, and frustration.

You’re dead right there Saviem, I always appreciated the differing attitudes towards our profession in the 2 countries.
The abundance of good eating facilities dedicated to drivers, often in small villages, often without formal parking areas and therefore often obliging long lines of parked lorries on both sides of the road, day and night, were a common and unremarkable, and unremarked sight in France right up to modern times, though nowadays reduced somewhat.

Even nowadays though, with the vast increase of weight limited formerly major trunk routes, lorries and their drivers are still tolerated ‘off piste’ to visit the old routiers. The reason why so many exist to this day, and thrive, years, sometimes decades, after being by-passed by the autoroutes and dual carriageways is because of this tolerance and, the excellence of the restos and the willingness of young drivers to listen to their older comrades.

Nolan Transport of New Ross ran a small fleet of TR 280’s in the late '70’s~late '80’s…Photo is courtesy of Balla on Irishrigs…Nolan’s yard in New Ross circa 1984

Saviem:
Evening all, dieseldogsix, I looked, but I could not find it!! several sad Magnums, a Premium, that`s it, (but my computer skills, and equipment are rudimentary)!! Yes it would be nice to see someone campaigning a Berliet, Renault, on the UK scene, but probably unlikely. You know the lighter Berliets of the 60s had Perkins engines, and they were well thought of in the French market. They were replaced by the J Series Saviems, a very good product, with 130hp naturally aspirated Saviem 797 engine, or the Turbocharged version at 150hp, the 798, synchro ZF 5sp, 7.5 to 13tonnes gvw, Club of Four cab in day or sleeper form. The Berliet version was called the “B” series! The same lorry was “fine tuned” to become the Mack Midliner for the US and Canadian market. There are quite a few still about, it was a very good lorry, though why the UK importer chose not to specify the factory sleeper, choosing instead to have a conversion by “Brook Lane Garage”, ( or some similar name), from Barnsley, or Bradford??( I really do not know), all I do know was that the steel rustproofing used really lacked substance, they rotted as you looked at them! a great shame, as the lorry was really a little gem! My very good friends, Edwin, Dell, and R oy, (not forgetting Ollie), at Edwin Shirley Trucking, ran a number of them, (as they did a nicely painted TR 305), on self drive rental to the “music industry”, I wonder did anyone ever get paid■■? I think another UK client, who ran quite a few was Paul Mc Glone, at Placketts Parcels. In France of course they were everywhere, the biggest user being Calberson. Did any of you visit their multi storey facility in Paris, topped off with a studio for RTL, whose Max Meynier used this facility to broadcast his popular programme, “Les Routiers sont sympa”. And all Routiers, and their families were welcome as audience, and to participate in his broadcasts. You know France really did learn to appreciate the role of the lorry, and more importantly the lorry driver, (and his difficulties, and sacrifices), to the economy of their country. Why this country, or its professional organisations, RHA, FTA, and the Unions, (perhaps the biggest failure in this area), have consistently failed to promote a “good and vital image”, for both road haulage, and more importantly the people involved in our industry to the “man in the street”, I find a source of great sadness, and frustration. Whatever we may say, or scoff a “fast Eddie”, that company has done more to project a positive role model and image, than the rest of the industry put together. (Despite them reminding me, at almost every twist and turn, of my favourite French clients Transports ONATRA , of whom, and their mixed fleet of Saviem, and Berliet, and their internal battles, and exterior wrangles that I set out to summerise tonight! Perhaps another day, a truly stupendous organisation, with all the parallels of “Fast Eddie”, and one whose annual reunions I am fortunate to attend. Bon Nuit mes amis, Im away to jambon et champignon, avec les pommes frites, and a large glass of Bollinger. Cheerio for now.

it was bradford the guy still got a old saviam round bak witch he used as a demo motor he had it from new it needs saving peter sutcliff the yorkshire ripper drove it in 79 when his truck was getting mot dun

A short clip of a French film from the 1970’s featuring a convoy of TR280’S

youtube.com/watch?v=FVWDTuL8EZo

Riverstick:
Nolan Transport of New Ross ran a small fleet of TR 280’s in the late '70’s~late '80’s…Photo is courtesy of Balla on Irishrigs…Nolan’s yard in New Ross circa 1984

I really like these old photos of Nolans.

Hello all, the Irish importer for Berliet, (Renault), was a subsidiary of Slaney Meats, and they did very well for us indeed! Nice people, met them a few times in Lyon, and had some great times. When we did “Factory tours”, the complex at Venissieux, and Saint Priest were so large that the works had its own buses and coaches to convey visitors around, and the shops had designated internal roadways that the Tour buses would use. So the visitors were close to the action, but not in the way of the action. I got on well with the drivers, they could make or break your guests visit! but always stressed that if they had Irish, Scottish, Welsh, or English guests on board, whatever the courier said, never, never ever make the first stop the press shop!! Imagine all those dislodged eyeballs!!! By the way the Berliet Automotive Foundry was the largest automative foundry in Europe in the 70s. Cheerio for now.

This is the Berliet TR 305 that my late father drove from february 1980 , when new, to october 1985. It’s me at the wheel when 14 years old.I started to drive it at that time…on big parkings and yards…and 2 years later, on the roads…

Here’s curiosity for our resident expert: was there a TR380 in 1975, or was it just a one-off? I found the photo here: forum.aceboard.fr/12980-1221-25677-4-.htm

trh380satory75.jpg

Berliet? I’m not sure…

LeeJ:
Berliet? I’m not sure…

Its a Berliet.

Yes, but what type? On Biglorryblog, there would be a pie on offer for the correct answer! Where is Monsieur Saviem? He would know. My guess is GLR, post 1973.

Evening all, [ZB], sorry, not on top form at the moment, had an exciting ride last week in an Ambulance, high speed, along the slowest route to our local Hospital, (but that is sattelite navigation for you), all terribly exciting, but not an experience that I wish to repeat, so today (as recuperation), have seeded 50acres, lets hope for rain!! TRH 380, well at that time (75), there was a potential mega order from the French military for tank transporters, (100/150tonnes). Now in 1975 I was on the “other side of the fence”, at Blainville, and we had our ultra reliable, and rather powerful, SM340, 16litre MAN powered 6x4. Our, (soon to be), colleagues at Venissieux had endured “big” problems, with their early 300, and 320 V8s. I am aware that the engineers at Venissieux had taken the 16litre out to 450hp (charge cooled), early 1975, and had achieved acceptable reliability from the major components. The standard TRH320, (TRH= 6x4), was rated at 60tonnes, but was available as a “convoie exceptionel” at 120 tonnes, For the military trials the TRH was offered in both 320, and 380 DIN forms, the cab having the 74/75 type front. At that time competition for heavy hitters was hotting up, as Perez et Raimond were in financial problems with the ex Willeme TBO range, (and Saviem came within a whisker of doing an acquisition on perhaps the finest ever generic range of heavy hitters in Europe). Berliet were concerned that the ageing conventional TBO range was loosing market share in a market segment, that was the only expanding part of a relatively stagnant market, (thanks to Frances expanding Nuclear power industry), and its requirement for the rapid transport of ever heavier components. But the 380 was short lived, the ideal combination on power, specific fuel consumption, driveability ,and reliability was the 356hp version , (and what an absolute “hoot” they were to drive, endless creamy torque, and a Concorde like whistle as the hills just, well, what hills! How many 380s existed, actually quite a few, but in private hands, I do not know. I think Zucconi had one on demo/trial, and perhaps Caltex, (who adored their TBOs), but I have a feeling that the factory swopped these for “special price” 356s. Just how good the TRH 6x4 range was cannot really be stated, as a heavy haulage machine they were near ideal, very much a refined Scammel, driveable, built with enormous margins of tolerance, comfortable and economic. One of my old French friends, who now runs MB Titans, describes them as a “softer” TRH! Ithink it says it all, now despite medical advice I shall seek solace in the Bollinger, Bon Chance, Cheerio for now.

Sorry, just two quickies, Chris Baron, your post brings back memories, Ryssen, at Hesdin, I remember their tankers along the N39, to St Pol, and along that twisty D340 past Aubrometz. I know that Onatra tried very hard for Ryssens business. Do you have any photographs of their Tanks, or the actual works? I know it would be of interest to a lot of our friends on this site. Classicman, I agree with [ZB], probably a GLR 4x2, good solid machine, a bonnet tacked onto the old Relax cab, not a bad work place, but watch out for the turning circle! Cheerio for now.

Slaney commercials was the irish importer.SLANEY FOR BERLIET was the sticker they put in the windscreens,have a few barely ables as some lads called them myself,a TR280 and aTR305

TR280:
Slaney commercials was the irish importer.SLANEY FOR BERLIET was the sticker they put in the windscreens,have a few barely ables as some lads called them myself,a TR280 and aTR305

Welcome to the forum TR280…Jim Somers was the man who was behind Slaney Commercials…and he went on to found Somers Commercials(Mercedes & Mitsubishi dealers) in Camolin co.Wexford. He really made a good hand of selling the Berliet in Ireland and gave good back to operators. To be honest,the TR280 was very advanced in the mid 1970’s. it was very smooth,comfortable,quiet,had a nice cab and the flexitorque engine was reliable,efficient and good on fuel. I remember a local haulier getting trading in a Leyland Buffalo for one. He couldn’t believe the comfort and lack of noise. He subsequently went through the wall of Killacloyne bridge(near Carrigtwohill)with 24 tonnes of fertiliser on board,and landed the whole rig on the railway tracks underneath. We used the call him ‘Roadtrain’ after that episode. He told me afterwards that he was so used to coming into the corner with the Buffalo flat out at 30~35 mph,that he drove the Berliet the same way,but when he looked down at the tacho,he was doing 55~60mph…

Have you any pictures of your trucks TR280?

Hello riverstick,have some pics will put them up.The 305 is lookin a bit better since i got it,have the good cab on it.

Who’s is the Renault Turboliner I passed last week on the M6 going north , I have seen it before it pulls a black tilt with a Barcelona address on the back, but a northern address on the unit.

Yes classicman, it’ s a Berliet GLR 8 M3 with 5 cylinders engine.
This same lorry was still in service last year delivering flour in north Burgundy, it was from 1965…

Berliet TR 300 with V8 engine launched at the Paris Motor Show in 1970.