paul@midway:
The speedo on my landrover is way out and gets further out as the speed increases.
paul@midway:
No my landrover doesnt need calibrating
W.T.F. 
Still trying to get my head round this one .
As Paul has also Stated Rob
Quote: No my landrover doesnt need calibrating , taking the big fat mud terrain tyres off would return everything back to normal
i can’t see any logic in the argument for playing the odds on exceeding the limit where cameras are concerned
you’re working on the assumption that your speedo is 100% accurate already
i don’t believe any of the bull about this + 10% margin
i’ve posted about this elsewhere having heard a copper talking about it on the radio and yes, saying that there is some tolerance
try finding where it says in law that its allowed and then use that as your defence in court against getting done and see how far it gets ya
Yep, nothing unusual about that, my Trooper is the same. At an indicated 30mph I am actually doing 34 and at 60 I’m doing nearly 65 .
vernonbish777:
i can’t see any logic in the argument for playing the odds on exceeding the limit where cameras are concernedyou’re working on the assumption that your speedo is 100% accurate already
i don’t believe any of the bull about this + 10% margin
i’ve posted about this elsewhere having heard a copper talking about it on the radio and yes, saying that there is some tolerance
try finding where it says in law that its allowed and then use that as your defence in court against getting done and see how far it gets ya
The Association of Chief Police Offers recommends a tolerance of 10% + 2 mph. This is not law, and they can if they wish prosecute for 1 mph over. It is rare for anyone to be booked within the recommended tolerance though.
Most speedos over read as it is an offence for them to under read. Therefore the tales of woe at being booked for just over are usually BS. Speed trap says you were doing more than 35 - speedo probably reading 37+ - what do you
expect
There’s only one way to avoid a speeding fine - don’t get caught
heard on the radio tonight theyd caught 1,000 motorists going through some road works on the m1 [ fines totalled 60, 000 pounds] i wonder if they were specs, now if only theyd listened to me
Quoting Ady
These are the new Gatso’s they have put up between J32 & J33 which i warned folks about on here last week.
Now if they had only listened to me 
I got done on the A5 6 weeks ago. 50 in a 50 except I was in a 12 tonner so it should have been 40 theese cameras can tell the difference. So size does matter. 
gardun:
The Association of Chief Police Offers recommends a tolerance of 10% + 2 mph. This is not law, and they can if they wish prosecute for 1 mph over. It is rare for anyone to be booked within the recommended tolerance though.
I think you may find that the reason they ‘recommend’ this is because there is a tolerance specified in the Construction & Use Regulations and it would be illegal to prosecute someone for driving within the scope of the law, it doesn’t stop the occasional junior fascist from trying it on with a ‘zero tolerance’ policy however if properly challenged it would fall over in court. The biggest problem is the C&U Regs cost a lot of money (I haven’t found a free copy yet) and were written in burocratese so they are not easy for Joe Average to wade through.
Jules
Boots O’Lead:
I think you may find that the reason they ‘recommend’ this is because there is a tolerance specified in the Construction & Use Regulations and it would be illegal to prosecute someone for driving within the scope of the law,
Jules
Not correct. Many Forces have a stated policy of zero tolerance in ‘high risk’ locations such as near schools or areas where children are likely to be present in numbers, or where a 20mph limit applies, which is why I deleted the ACPO policy from the FAQ’s forum.
Krankee:
Not correct. Many Forces have a stated policy of zero tolerance in ‘high risk’ locations such as near schools or areas where children are likely to be present in numbers, or where a 20mph limit applies, which is why I deleted the ACPO policy from the FAQ’s forum.
I’ll have to take issue with you on this one. I don’t wish to start an argument and I’m not going to disagree with your point about Force’s ‘stated policies’ but…
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I am not a shyster or a Traffic cop but an Automotive Engineer by training and education (no, not a mechanic
) and I have had experience of using C&U regs for construction equipment and trying to find a straight answer in them is like wading through mud - very hard work -
C&U regs govern every aspect of the construction and use of the vehicle class they apply to (a bit obvious I know) including accuracy standards of instrumentation. If, for example, the C&U regs stated an accuracy for speedos of +or- 10% then that is the legally required accuracy and if that was the case then getting caught doing 21 in a 20 zone would not be an offence because it is within tolerance as specified, although there are Police Forces who would try to prosecute.
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C&U regs are not open source or free information. They are used by Automotive manufacturers to ensure they comply with the law, so in true HM Govt fashion they charge an arm and a leg for them (although updates are included in the cost
) -
The biggest problem anyone faces when defending a speeding charge is proving their case, e.g.
PC D O’Nut (aprroaching drivers window) “Do you know what speed you were doing Sir?”
C Hav (sat a trembling in his Corsa) “An indicated 20mph Constable” (an appropriate response)
PC D O’Nut “Can you prove that Sir?”
- which leads to problem number 1 - no, you can’t
Mr C Hav, not happy with getting a ticket for 21 in a 20 zone, elects to go to court
Hangemall Smith JP “What have you got to say in your defence Mr Hav?”
C Hav “Well according to C&U regs, the speedo accuracy is set as ■■%”
Hangemall Smith JP “Oh really, and where does it say that?” - which leads to problem number 2 - an appropriate response at this time would be to produce a suitcase full of HMSO supplied folders containing the regs, pull out the appropriate volume and whilst turning to the right page say something along the lines of "In para ■■ of chapter ■■ of volume ■■ of the C&U regs 19■■ entitled ‘xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx’ " and finding the right bit and putting your finger on it “right there”. In this instance the defence is supported by the law and there is no case to defend. Highly unlikely but it is possible.
The simple fact is that operating within the scope of the law is not an offence and cannot legitimately be prosecuted. C&U regs do specify a tolerance for accuracy of speed recording equipment (but don’t ask me what the detail is) and as a result zero tolerance speed policing is illegal in fact, but it won’t stop the police from doing it until someone stands up in court and proves the case and then publicises it.
The most likely result of a half decent defence would be the case being dropped, although it would be no surprise to find a case being brought for Driving Without Due Care and Attention and then getting the book thrown at the defendant for being a samrt alec - cynic, me, never…
Jules
Krankee:
Has anyone any idea about the camera(s) on the A64 as you leave the A1(M) to go East.Just after the slip road joins from the A1 S/B, you have the normal Trafficmaster camera, and just beyond it is another pole, taller, with two cameras angled down.
I thought that they might be ‘Specs’ but I couldn’t see any other set further along.
I’m presuming it must be a permanent ANPR site.
krankee there not speed monitors but be aware that the police are there often with gun has you come over the brow east bound
Davey Driver:
As Paul has also Stated RobQuote: No my landrover doesnt need calibrating , taking the big fat mud terrain tyres off would return everything back to normal
I,ll be buying bigger ones soon so the speedo will be way way out
Surely the simplest answer to all this is just stick to the posted speed limits. So you get a queue behind you, so you are the only one sticking to the limit, so you get other people whizzing past giving you dirty looks. So what, it’s your licence and you get to pay the fine, not them. I keep on at my Mrs about this as she has become a terrible driver in this respect. The end result is I have a nice clean licence and she now has 6 points on hers. Is it really worth it just to get there a few minutes earlier. Personally I don’t think so, but each to their own I suppose.
the speedo on our 7.5t was reading slower than actual speed recently
when i took it into kienzle and they checked it on the rollers it was travelling at 9% more than the indicated speed
ie 70mph on speedo = 76.3mph actual
the guy at the calibration centre told me that this was perfectly within the accepted tolerances 
so a plod sitting at 70 on the mway gets a puddle jumper passing at 6mph faster is goin to accept this
the guy was reluctant to re-calibrate it as it was, in his opinion, quite legal
i asked him for some sort of certification to this effect - bearing in mind that he is an official VOSA agent
went off muttering and mumbling and recalibrated it
as stated elsewhere - till someone proves it in court in a test case and comes up with the actual legislation i’ll stick to the limits
next thing someone will be saying that +/- 10% applies to the clock as well !!!
“yes officer, i know i’ve done nearly 5 hours driving with no break but i’m allowed 10% under C & U regs for equipment error tolerance”
as stated elsewhere - till someone proves it in court in a test case and comes up with the actual legislation i’ll stick to the limits
next thing someone will be saying that +/- 10% applies to the clock as well !!!
“yes officer, i know i’ve done nearly 5 hours driving with no break but i’m allowed 10% under C & U regs for equipment error tolerance”
and ill stick to the 10% until i get some points, at least 2yrs and still waiting for them
oooohhhh
i bet u live in a hollowed out volcano on an island somewhere with your own underground monorail and lots of chinese people in orange boiler suits running around
have you got a white cat ■■?
dont like it cause i aint got any points 4 driving at 44, kinda blows your theory out the window doesnt it.
speedos wrong, plods says, calibrations, myths but wheres the POINTS
wheres the points
i couldnt give a flying one about whether you got points or not matey i only bothered with my own license and i aint got none either - so going off that, neither of us is smarter than the other
im in the job to earn money sunshine and 4mph aint an earner for me
getting fined and standing in front of the traffic commisioners dont earn me anything either
its playing the odds mate, thats all - your having a good run so enjoy it while it lasts
and as for myths - ur the one who “knows” about this 10% crap
luck yea i thought it might be that, a lot of luck though , 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year , 2years plus , so ive been through them specs about 700 times and aint got a ticket. jesus with my luck why havent i won the lottery.
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Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: what annoys me most
- Other drivers having their breaks on the diesel pumps in stead of in a lorry park.
- M42 speed signs being lit up at 40 mph and me being the only one who takes notice of them
- Having to walk across and hand in my diesel card every night even though the cashiers see you every night
- People who forget to say hello before posting for the first time
HELLO!
you wanna make your mind up matey whether your arthur or martha