mandator:
more than probably a Bollekens cab, as built for the Volvo 395/495 range in those years.First this Scammell had the original cab in Van Gaever service
You are right, I think. Here are a couple more pics. The first photo shows a Bollekens built AEC. Robert 
Hey, here the new workshop of Camerman, they had fuel station and a hotel building too.
They did everything and worked for the army repairings too.
But all did the same, there was nothing after war II, so many were made out of 5,6 lorries to have one.
and for the old one who has known Luithagenhaven in Antwerp docks, where Tracto was.
The was the last Camerman workshop and taken over by Ferrymasters later.
But now we have to stop because we are leading off the Miesse history, otherwise we have to make a
new topic.
Cheers Eric,
Hey, As one is interrested in the poor start after war, I have some pages picâs put on the German site
Baumachinenbilder.de LKW / Oldtimer LKW Anfang nach '45
lorries / vintage lorries / start after 1945
And here still a Miesse Transports Termote (Courtrai), look at the painting design all were so painted.
Cheers Eric,
I had completely forgotten about Monsieur Le B. This internet thing contains more information than can be remembered. Given that Le B.'s work appeared on chassis other than Bernard, it seems that Bernard did not have exclusive rights to Charbonneauxâs design. I look forward to any further insight that you may have.
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Evening all, anorak, Gentlemen, apologies only a brief reply, 16 hours in the saddle, spraying, carting, and loading some incompetent Equestrian gentlemen and Ladies with , (wonderful, fragrant, and delicious textured), Organic HayâŚthough price seemed to be their complete judge of qualityâŚHas left me only good for a shower, food, and of course my Bolinger!
Really I should write at some length regarding Phillipe Charbonneaux, his designs, and his liasons with various manufacturers, but sadly my inability, both equipment wise, and technological incompetence preclude any of my writings having the edge of pictorial illustrationâŚperhaps a situation that one day I may have both the time, and inclination to resolve!
Charbonneaux graduated from a most successfull illustrator in the late 40s, to designer of specialised motor car bodywork, and then a short spell in the United States employed by General Motors, (the first Chevrolet Corvette owed much to his design expertise). Back to France, and specialist designs, (having a strong Engineering pedigree), for publicity vehicles for the French Air Force, Bic, Formica, Pathe Marconi, Paris-Match,Astra, and Esso. Plus the design of the Letourneur et Marchand produced cab for Unic, (perhaps the most evocative cab of the 50s and 60s, âŚIzoard, Galibier, Auvergne et al). Then his association with Berliet, and his proposals to âupdateâ their range GLB, TLB, GLA, and input into the âRelaxâ cab design of 58, working alongside the factory in house design team.
Then of course we come to the period when he designed Domestic Appliances, Refrigerators, and Televisions for TeleaviaâŚand the âfaceâ of âhisâ television for the French public, became the face of the sensational outside broadcast unit for ORTF, (Organisation Radio Television Francaise). Which led to the commission with cash strapped Bernard to design a new cab, to update their old imageâŚthe Television.
This âfaceâ, like a domestic television, the wide screen, the speaker grill below, then the four headlights , as the control buttons, was the star of the 62 Paris Salon. This vehicle was often photographed alongside a Renault 8, yet another Charbonneaux design!
Yet this âfaceâ was used on other commissions, the Vieux du Nord Berliet, (now happily restored and running), as well as the Miesse TV vehicle. In the main bodywork was by Lebastard, and also by the specialist builder Pourtout, (creator of the âBateau Mouchesâ coaches seen in Paris), and a number by Pelpel, who had produced the Television cab for Bernard, and whose role cannot be underestimated.
Then there were the futuristic cab forward half cabs for the steel, and petroleum operators, angular, futuristic, yet practical, far in advance of their Gardner powered Bernard underpinnings. Far more successful l were his (Cercuil", integral fire appliances for Berliet, the Berliet FF 4x4s, and his redesign of the fabled Gazelle.
Charbonneaux managed to bring coherence and line to the Berliet design Studio proposals for the new Stradair middleweight rangeâŚoriginally conceived with â â â â â â â Vim, and Vale V6, and V8 powerâŚ(now there is something that I should recountâŚMr â â â â â â â V engine assault on EuropeâŚKruppâŚBerlietâŚMeadows/Guy)âŚand HM Governments involvement in the UKâŚand that is a real story of double dealing, trickery, and our Transatlantic cousins yet again mis reading the European market place!
Then there were Charbonneauxs airport âTugsâ for the 707, and DC8âŚtruly space age designs, as was the Berliet double deck PCMR, for Paris, let alone the double ended Perkins powered electric drive mega airport buses. Not forgetting the redesign of the 60s 385 Renault agricultural tractor rangeâŚplus the âcrash proof carââŚthe spectacular Hearse designs, the sensational, and stillborn redesign of the Berliet heavy range, and even more spectacular the update of the bonneted BernardsâŚbut sadly Mack swallowed Bernard at that timeâŚ
But Im "cream crackeredâŚand lady wife has just announced that if Im not washed and at the table in 5 minutesâŚa rather nasty fate awaits meâŚ
Charbonneaux, what a man, what a creator, what an engineerâŚand what designsâŚ
Cheerio for now.
Wow, rich feedback on the body- and coachwork Saviem! @Eric: nice and special livery of Termote!
As saidâŚI am quite familiar in Courtrai-region but only know Termote from TVH-forklifts though.
Attached a copy from an invoice by Miesse for an ex-army-surplus Mack NR4D, the one with the Van
Dijck-cab (truck on earlier input) for Van Steenbergen.
ERF-Continental:
Wow, rich feedback on the body- and coachwork Saviem! @Eric: nice and special livery of Termote!
As saidâŚI am quite familiar in Courtrai-region but only know Termote from TVH-forklifts though.Attached a copy from an invoice by Miesse for an ex-army-surplus Mack NR4D, the one with the Van
Dijck-cab (truck on earlier input) for Van Steenbergen.
Hey ERF, Nice to see again such an invoice, and wonderfull picâs, which give me very much memories thanks.
As a boy as I was with dad in one of the surplus mackâs Whiteâs or Diamondâs, i thought te be a celebrity.
What should a young boys nowedays think about me, inside his dadâs super high roof with + 500hp. 
Termote has long gone the two sons seperated and went their own way with some lorries, existing today â â ?
One was called Termote Warlop ( it was exectly HEULE).
At that time TVH was still a very small agriculural tractor seller and old second hand imported forklifts.
So we see it goes up with one and the other disappears.
Here a Vanneste Deraedt FTF,
Cheers Eric,
Wow Eric! Good input and magnificient Diamond T or as Belgians often mention a Hercule, not Hercule Poirot though!
Probably the nick-name Hercule had to do with previous Hercules-engines of Canton Ohio and via WW2 âintroducedâ
on the continent. A company named Magnus delivered Hercule-drive-axles after WW2 to get the country on wheels.
Really a rare vehicle in Belgium that FTF (Floor Truck Fabriek / Floor Trailer Fabriek) and possibly distributed by the
Mack-importer Van Hove of Kobbegem, whereas FTF was Mack-importer till the moment of own truck-production.
When you enlarge the FTF-picture, one may see the Mack-logo, so perhaps Mack (Maxidyne?) power installed?
To get closer to this threadâŚAutomiesse was Mack-dealer some years and also for assembly. Many US-trucks
were assembled short after WW2 such as Federal and Indiana by Sobelma (Rue Birmingham) to avoid import-tax
for the entire vehicle.
tiptop495:
Here a Vanneste Deraedt FTF, Cheers Eric,
Did some research on this FTFâŚstrange connection as itâs about AutoMiesse, but
Miesse and FTF were both Mack-importers as well as distributors.
P.408.K (Belgian-registration) ended 20th May 1977, chassisnumber was 72-115, where
the first two numbers refer to the construction-year, so 1972. Type was F-7.13 which
originally/standard would have a DD-2-stroke and Kirkstall axles, but this one had (Van
Hove of Brussels was Mack-dealer since Miesse stopped) Mack ENDT-673C, Fuller RTO9513,
and Mack FA532 front axle and RAD606 rear axle. FTF was rare in Belgium, my further
check resulted in Sarens having a similar model.
The FTF even had a Motor Panels cab, making the Mack variant a truly international assemblage! Actually, I always rather liked that older version of the FTF and remember seeing them on the Dutch motorways in the '70s and '80s. It was certainly my kind of lorry. Hereâs a rather splendid example I took from one of the Dutch trucking sites - Iâm sure they wonât mind us adoring it here! Robert
Nice Dutch-find! That FTF is from Simon Loos (still existing and nowadays a big fleetowner) who
had 3 FTFâs, whereas (with reference to ERF European) Vermeulen of Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel had
4 FTFâs and Groenenboom of Ridderkerk 3 FTFâs. Nice to knowâŚin the FTF-register 3 UK FTFâs are
mentionedâŚBaldwins Cranehire (ex-Dutch-army tractor) and Magnaload had 2, like GVN396V.
In the âbriefâ era of existence (1966-1994) FTF produced gross 717 vehicles, with Dutch army, ECT
(European Container Terminal), Hoogovens, Huybregts, Willems as loyal and extensive users.
ERF-Continental:
Nice Dutch-find! That FTF is from Simon Loos (still existing and nowadays a big fleetowner) who
had 3 FTFâs, whereas (with reference to ERF European) Vermeulen of Nieuwerkerk a/d IJssel had
4 FTFâs and Groenenboom of Ridderkerk 3 FTFâs. Nice to knowâŚin the FTF-register 3 UK FTFâs are
mentionedâŚBaldwins Cranehire (ex-Dutch-army tractor) and Magnaload had 2, like GVN396V.In the âbriefâ era of existence (1966-1994) FTF produced gross 717 vehicles, with Dutch army, ECT
(European Container Terminal), Hoogovens, Huybregts, Willems as loyal and extensive users.
You mentioned the Dutch Army FTFs, A-J: these were impressive 6x4 beasts indeed! Like this oneâŚRobert
@Robert: Yeah, one of the Dutch-army!!! Most FTFâs there were for the military-school to educate
drivers with heavy loads as well as excercises in off-road. Quite a common sight as the depot was
rather so close to my house (as did DAF-factory) as Hoveringhamâs was to your place!
Sorry as this should deal with Automiesse but after Tiptop/Eric has put some good input on the
Van Hove FTF (in fact an internationally assembled Mack/FTF) I herewith refer to the website
where you can find âallâ owners of FTFâs and more information:
Enjoy reading and searching there!
ERF-Continental:
@Robert: Yeah, one of the Dutch-army!!! Most FTFâs there were for the military-school to educate
drivers with heavy loads as well as excercises in off-road. Quite a common sight as the depot was
rather so close to my house (as did DAF-factory) as Hoveringhamâs was to your place!Sorry as this should deal with Automiesse but after Tiptop/Eric has put some good input on the
Van Hove FTF (in fact an internationally assembled Mack/FTF) I herewith refer to the website
where you can find âallâ owners of FTFâs and more information:Enjoy reading and searching there!
Yes, youâre right: we mustnât hijack the Auto Miesse thread, but thatâs an impressive FTF site! Robert
Though Jazzandy asked for pictures of the Belgium Mack-importer (Ets. F. Van Hove) of Brussels,
with thanks to Gerlof Buurman (The Hague) herewith the Kobbegem-facilities. For Saviem some
refreshments delivered with the Perrier-truck!
Hey, A bit of topic but maybe interesting, but think its the best site to talk about Belgian lorries.
If I once heart well, the very first BĂÂźssing assembly or import was at Imperia Nessonvaux (Liège).
Bye Eric,
@Eric: thatâs trueâŚaccording to âRecueil de lâautomobile de Belgiqueâ of 1951, Imperia S.A. was
indeed importer for BĂÂźssing as well as Adler, Alfa Romeo, Standard and Triump. The showroom
and sales office was on 82, Rue de Namur in Brussels. I have been told that the test-circuit for
the various marques was on the roof of the factory and still existsâŚawaiting restauration?
Nessonvaux is situated close to Francorchamps so perhaps a challenge for an automotive-investor?
