Harry Monk:
The essential point to grasp Andy is that a vote for anybody other than UKIP is a vote in favour of cabotage restrictions being scrapped, and therefore a vote for your job to be done by an eastern European from the moment they are. Quite simply, Waberer, Willi Betz etc will undertake domestic road transport from then on, using Bulgarian/Romanian drivers on 150 euros a week and staying in the UK for months at a time. This is exactly what has happened to continental road transport. For a British truck driver, a vote for anybody other than UKIP is a turkey voting for Christmas.
In addition to the cabotage policy is the bs global warming issue that the LabLibDemCon are following just like a bunch of raving greens.In which case it’s a choice between east euro cabotage operations or it will go by rail with trucks being taxed off the road and wages being the only variable which employers will try to cut to a minimum to survive.
Except for the local/multi drop zb which no one wants. 
As I’ve said hopefully by the time of the election the Conservatives will have seen sense and thrown the Cam/Clegg LibDemCon supporting lot out and put in a new UKIP friendly leader and regime.Because it’s obvious that the next election will be a make or break decision and fight between the pro EU federalist alliance of LabLibDemCons and Greens and the anti one made up of the sceptics amongst the Conservatives and UKIP.
The fact is then if that EU and global warmist sceptic alliance loses the country is basically zb’d.With this country effectively ceasing to exist and just a state within a federal Europe based on cheap east european labour and the LabLibDemConGreen taxation alliance.That’s unless they pick a fight with Russia first and Russia then presses the button on the zb’s.In which case there’s no way that the Americans will want to lose the states to take Russia out in retaliation for wiping out Euroland.
Harry Monk:
Bulgarian/Romanian drivers on 150 euros a week and staying in the UK for months at a time.
Nonsence!
If you can multiply, please do it by 5 and you’ll be pretty close. Even strawberry pickers from east EU earn more than some class one british drivers I know.
What about your homegrown african britts that cannot even spell their names properly, working ONLY at the gatehouses? Are you happy with them? What about packi and arab britts that own the off licence business calling you a white trash as they speak on the phone serving you at the till. Not just you… me as well! What about their wifes with hidden faces, delivering 10 and more children. Are you still not happy with poor Bulgarians, they are at least white christian, sharing same values with you. And certainly, they are the minority that has nothing to do with you problems.
kras_tod:
What about your homegrown african britts that cannot even spell their names properly, working ONLY at the gatehouses? Are you happy with them? What about packi and arab britts that own the off licence business calling you a white trash as they speak on the phone serving you at the till. Not just you… me as well! What about their wifes with hidden faces, delivering 10 and more children. Are you still not happy with poor Bulgarians, they are at least white christian, sharing same values with you. And certainly, they are the minority that has nothing to do with you problems.
To be fair the idea of each to their own and nationalism and nativism isn’t really an issue of colour or religion nor does it logically recognise the idea of nationality based on jus soli as opposed to jus sanguinis.While as I read it the slavs kicked off WW1 over slavic nationalism and unity against being part of Germanic Austro/Hungarian white Christian society.So what conveniently and suddenly changed in that regard. 
Let us not dig in history. We’re talking about present. Britain was built by ancient romans. How does it matter?
kras_tod:
Let us not dig in history. We’re talking about present. Britain was built by ancient romans. How does it matter?
It matters because,as your posts ( rightly ) pointed out,the question and the idea of nativism and nationalism is as relevant today as it was in 1914.So as I said why the change now from the idea of Slavic unity and self determination.
Now lets see. If that gentlemen and you point East EUropeans to be the problem of UK economy, that’s positive. If I point at other coloured problems - that’s negative…
Double standard or wnat?
kras_tod:
Now lets see. If that gentlemen and you point East EUropeans to be the problem of UK economy, that’s positive. If I point at other coloured problems - that’s negative…
Double standard or wnat?
You’ve missed the point.Objecting against a policy of excessive immigration based on the motive of rigging the labour market,by over supplying it with immigrant labour,from less developed countries,with lower wage expectations.Has ( should have ) nothing whatsoever to do with colour or religion.Nor,as part of that,is there any reason to think that the slavic culture is any less alien here than the African or Asian ones.Just as that culture thought vice versa in the case of kicking off WW1.
Which then leaves the obvious questions as to why didn’t the slavic culture manage to prosper by its own efforts in its own place having won that war of national identity and independence from Germanic rule.
Let alone going down the blind,not to mention tragic,alley of trying to integrate Asian society with Slavic society within the Yugoslav and Soviet Federations.
In addition to then obviously picking and choosing to suit itself based on who offers the most in handouts. 
Now you’re saing that one qualify for higher wages automaticly if born here in UK? And the outcomers automaticly work for less?
Don’t you see that UKIP is twisting the truth everyone call this propaganda? Against what? For what reason?
I know only two regimes that cannot survive without a class enemy - fashism and comunism. They both need to point at someone in order to control the masses of people. Fashists pointed at Jews, comunists to rich people.
I was pointing at the colour or religion for the same reason that some one pointed at Bulgarians and Romanians. If all of us point - then we are either comunists or fashists. What about UKIP or all of you supporting it? What is UKIP going to do if they win? Close the border? Throw everyone who doesn’t have british passport out? What? Really! That guy… Nigel… he’s a real joke, how come you don’t see it?
Are all you real genuine super britains going to pick strawberries, pluck turkeys, clean toilets and do other dirty jobs arround?
Well if you want UK out of EU… this is different. Just vote for leaving the union and that’s it. You don’t need UKIP for this
kras_tod:
Now you’re saing that one qualify for higher wages automaticly if born here in UK? And the outcomers automaticly work for less?
Don’t you see that UKIP is twisting the truth everyone call this propaganda? Against what? For what reason?
I know only two regimes that cannot survive without a class enemy - fashism and comunism. They both need to point at someone in order to control the masses of people. Fashists pointed at Jews, comunists to rich people.
I was pointing at the colour or religion for the same reason that some one pointed at Bulgarians and Romanians. If all of us point - then we are either comunists or fashists. What about UKIP or all of you supporting it? What is UKIP going to do if they win? Close the border? Throw everyone who doesn’t have british passport out? What? Really! That guy… Nigel… he’s a real joke, how come you don’t see it?
Are all you real genuine super britains going to pick strawberries, pluck turkeys, clean toilets and do other dirty jobs arround?
Well if you want UK out of EU… this is different. Just vote for leaving the union and that’s it. You don’t need UKIP for this
No I’m saying that artificially increasing the labour supply lowers wage levels in general to a lower level than they would otherwise be.Especially when it is obvious that our immigration policy has been all about the deliberate import of labour from under developed countries with lower wage expectations for that reason.As confirmed by the fact that we’ve long had an open door immigration policy regarding such countries.While denying the same rights to ‘our own’ regards free movement of labour between ‘our own’ colonies like Australia,New Zealand and Canada.
As for Socialism the common link is as always a policy of social engineering in one form or another as part of an exploitative cheap labour environment.Which is a reasonable description of the direction in which this country has been heading since the end of WW2.However while UKIP would probably be a step in the right direction in that regard it isn’t the type of nationalist administration like the French FN that we need.
As for the idea of staying with the Federalist pro EU,pro immigration,Lab/LibDem/Con alliance how would that supposedly be consistent with any policy of leaving the EU and at least making the start on the immigration issue,which UKIP is obviously there for.
On that note things are at least changing slowly in that regard.Being that people are getting fed up with being called ‘racist’ by those deliberately confusing the word with nativist and nationalist for their own political Federalist and cheap labour economic agenda.In which case France and the FN will be the example to watch and follow not UKIP.