Citroen HY vans can and are converted from OE spec stuff to Ford Transit running gear, and are tax free.
Subsequently they end up as catering type vans.
And maybe no need for MoT test.
Is that really what we want on our roads?
Catering businesses with no vehicle road safety checks?
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Well, the mot test isn’t all that anyway.
For instance, a car can have a (much) bigger engine fitted without updating the V5, yet can still pass an mot.
As mot’s are live, how is it that the mot can progress with the wrong engine, and why has the owner not been stung with a huge fine for not updating the v5, particularly when it was done years ago.
Fine then you’d obviously be ok with MOTs for all vehicles used for commercial purposes.
Where do you get the idea that you don’t need to notify the DVLA of an engine capacity change ?.
If a car is running around on a false engine size then it’s also not insured because the insurer also has to be informed.That obviously also counts out any discrepancy in the V5 registered capacity.
In my case the MOT test wouldn’t even be able to see any difference between 5.3 to 6.0 or 7.0 litre + without them being told.Its just liners and crankshaft change.
I think so.
Off hand I can’t think of a reason to exempt anyone from a legitimate, safety related, business expense.
For private use there is an argument (dunno how convincing exactly) that older classics can be exempt, but I can see no reason to give a penny pinching outfit a ready made loophole to save cash by skimping on safety.
Well you say that, but I can easily imagine them stood round the back enjoying the warm embrace of the 12 pot burble from your exhausts and realising that it’s at least 10% better than it was the year before.
That burble wouldn’t be much less from 5.3 litres than 6 or 7.Especially with the ITB induction.
For me it’s the 2 Euros per litre fuel costs and new unbelievable continental speed regime that did it.
Not the DVLA who upgraded it’s V5 with just a phone call.
This is just 5.3 not 6 litre and without even the ITB induction and a not totally straight through exhaust.
The only way they’d know a bigger engine capacity is by telling them.
Or the insurance refusing a claim when a bright assessor calls for an engine inspection.
No one with the slightest amount of sense would risk that by withholding the information from DVLA and insurer.Effectively with holding or falsifying engine capacity information would be exactly the same offence as driving without insurance by default.
I’m fine with the idea of MOT being mandatory for any vehicle used for commercial purposes.Bearing in mind the increased motive for penny pinching.
It’s obvious that the present environment is way too toxic for the viable continuing use of classics at least specialised high performance kit like my own.
I recently did a long road trip to Italy 2,500 miles total with the old Zafira’s 150 Tfsi 6 speed manual Touran replacement.
Was absolutely shocked by the 2 Euros per litre fuel costs and the modern speed regime But equally shocked by how capable a modern small turbo engine could be on the few remaining sections of unlimited autobahn and returning 40 mpg as a bonus.So long as it’s covered by main dealer warranty.
When I got home I opened the garage to the sad sight of the old sorned Jag sitting there and quietly sadly admitted this brave new world is no place for it.
It’ll prematurely end its days maybe doing some classic club racing and an inevitable meeting with the crusher.Or maybe just the latter.
Doomed indeed and a sad loss.
The concept of classic cars was always going to fade out
Times change people change and nothing to do with electric
Its not even that old this classic thing and if you asked a young person today to even recognise a name they wouldn’t have a clue.
Its stuck in a certain time scale and only that time scale is keeping it alive and that’s because the people who have money and that’s a certain few
The rest live in nostalgia and that’s fine people choose that because they just love the car, but really the car is worthless
I didn’t say you don’t need to notify DVLA of engine change.
What I said was “a car can have a (much) bigger engine fitted without updating the V5, yet can still pass an mot.”
Have a look at these two items on ebay
Item numbers
387197508906
135124534275
Both have had engine swaps. but both say they are still reg’d as original engines, yet both have passed MOT’s, the BMW even says in the description who was used for insurance.
Fair enough but would you be so sure if manufacturers offered full product support including licenced quality approved parts and fuel taxation proportionate with average fuel consumption.That’s the deal breaker in my case.Why should anyone driving a 15-20 mpg classic have to pay same fuel tax per gallon as 30-40 mpg.
Let alone sorned and scrapped for lack of supply of correct formed and specced brake pipes or any other safety critical part or major engine and transmission parts.
A bit like saying that you can drive at 100mph and not get caught.
Maybe you can… at least for a while.
It doesn’t make it legal and certainly not wise.
Offering a vehicle for sale with a known fraudulent V5?
Maybe the insurance is not correct if made through a site with reg number input too.
You’re not saying you don’t need to inform the DVLA of an engine capacity increase but you are saying you can get an MOT without informing the DVLA of the capacity increase.
That’s a contradiction.The thing will need a V5 and insurance and under 40 years old an MOT to be used on the road.
All of those by default require the correct engine capacity information before issue.
There’s no issue with upgrading the V5 and informing the insurer with any engine capacity change.Failure to do so will invalidate the insurance either way.People have been putting in bigger engines than standard since the dawn of motoring.
This issue is all about the control freaks now wanting to stop the tuning and modification scene.
Except of course it hasn’t been done!
All that effort and expense (allegedly) but he hasn’t done the paperwork.
If it hasn’t been done then it isn’t insured because its registered capacity on the V5 isn’t correct.
The MOT is moot at that point.
Because it will also be based on incorrect information on the V5
So incorrect V5 = uninsured and no MOT, being used on public roads.Could even also get done for using false number plates on a dodgy V5.
As I said my generation were putting small block V8’s into Zodiacs and Crestas and my Dad’s generation were putting 6 cylinder Morris and MG engines into Morris 10/4’s and Essex V6 into MK1 Transits and 4.2 triple carb into 3.4 S types etc with never any issues with putting the right details on a new log book in line with the changes before putting it back on the road.
How difficult and how simple does it need to be.
Did you look at the 2 items on ebay or not ?
What difference does it make when they can’t legally be used on the road without updating the V5 first.Then the correct information will be available next MOT.
For all the difference it makes because engine capacity increase doesn’t generally involve the MOT test anyway without stripping the engine down to measure bore size although stroke measurement can be obtained if they wanted it.
While a different engine is self evident during the test.
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