Can anyone point me in the right direction?? I’ve dropped a truck off at a truck dealership to be fixed & borrowed a loan/courtesy van to go home in (some 2-3 hours away), does my drive home count as driving time or duty time or both?? i’m sure it states in a website somewhere… any help gratefully received… 
edd7:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?? I’ve dropped a truck off at a truck dealership to be fixed & borrowed a loan/courtesy van to go home in (some 2-3 hours away), does my drive home count as driving time or duty time or both?? i’m sure it states in a website somewhere… any help gratefully received…
It is other work time
If the van comes under domestic regs then records for those should be done but it still counts as other work for EU regs
Thank you…
edd7:
Thank you…
Small point - if the van counts as domestic driving then that has a 10 hour daily domestic driving time limit so if already driven 8 hours under EU then that 8 hours counts towards the 10 domestic limit
8 hours EU regs driving time plus 3 hours domestic driving time = 11 hours domestic which is 1 hour over the domestic regs limit
This might be worth a read as well - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=95745&p=1397029#p1397029
edd7:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?? I’ve dropped a truck off at a truck dealership to be fixed & borrowed a loan/courtesy van to go home in (some 2-3 hours away), does my drive home count as driving time or duty time or both?? i’m sure it states in a website somewhere… any help gratefully received…
when you say home do you mean your home, and will you be picking the truck up from the dealer on say monday or will it be at base for you
delboytwo:
edd7:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?? I’ve dropped a truck off at a truck dealership to be fixed & borrowed a loan/courtesy van to go home in (some 2-3 hours away), does my drive home count as driving time or duty time or both?? i’m sure it states in a website somewhere… any help gratefully received…when you say home do you mean your home, and will you be picking the truck up from the dealer on say monday or will it be at base for you
Dont think it makes a difference DEL becuse the regs state home or base
I’ll be doing the same trip on monday to pick the truck up… so I’ll have start early to get it picked up & sorted to meet a mid morning delivery some 3.5 hours away… i guess if i’m starting before 4.00am im on the 10 hour shift ruling??
edd7:
I’ll be doing the same trip on monday to pick the truck up… so I’ll have start early to get it picked up & sorted to meet a mid morning delivery some 3.5 hours away… i guess if i’m starting before 4.00am im on the 10 hour shift ruling??
You are referring to the RTD and if no night opt out is in place then technically you are restricted to 10 hours drive/work time with poa and breaks not counting but the reality is that the authorities and most companies do not SEEM to bother about it
As long as there is a ruling in place… i’m fine with that… an early finish with plenty of parking spaces instead of a urine soaked layby… 
ROG:
You are referring to the RTD and if no night opt out is in place then technically you are restricted to 10 hours drive/work time with poa and breaks not counting but the reality is that the authorities and most companies do not SEEM to bother about it
You make assumptions again ROG on your opinion you need to be careful, as I know for a fact that it the drivers responsibility and the companies to follow the RTD.
one of the places i work for all driver that were from an agency or self employed, that worked for use had to fill out a form to say how much work there have done in the last week, and if there could not tell them there would be sent home the company is well aware of the RTD and the implications on not following it. there even rang up the agency to get a total hour there work from them at the end of the week so there new where there could use the for next week, even if there were in next week there would still have to fill the form in on monday as to what there did last week
DEL - simple question - since the start of the RTD how many drivers or companies have been prosecuted BY THE AUTHORITIES over RTD breaches ?
A rough figure will do …
edd7:
Can anyone point me in the right direction?? I’ve dropped a truck off at a truck dealership to be fixed & borrowed a loan/courtesy van to go home in (some 2-3 hours away), does my drive home count as driving time or duty time or both?? i’m sure it states in a website somewhere… any help gratefully received…
Assuming that the courtesy vehicle is not over 3.5 tonnes the travelling time will count as other work for the EU regulations and should be manually recorded as such.
You can forget about the domestic regulations they don’t apply to you.
ROG:
You are referring to the RTD and if no night opt out is in place then technically you are restricted to 10 hours drive/work time with poa and breaks not counting but the reality is that the authorities and most companies do not SEEM to bother about it
ROG:
DEL - simple question - since the start of the RTD how many drivers or companies have been prosecuted BY THE AUTHORITIES over RTD breaches ?A rough figure will do …
Once again you’ve stated that most companies don’t bother about the working time regulations, so tell us how many companies you’ve worked for that do not comply with the RT(WT)R 2005 ?
Nearly every company I’ve worked at comply with the WTD and expect drivers to do likewise, numerous people on this board have told you that their companies policy is to comply with working time regulations but it doesn’t seem to sink in 
ROG:
DEL - simple question - since the start of the RTD how many drivers or companies have been prosecuted BY THE AUTHORITIES over RTD breaches ?A rough figure will do …
2 companies have been summons for RTD breachs but one was withdraw and the other was dealt by public inquiry
dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/09%20212.pdf
but if you read the Regs Rog you will see it a company requirement to follow the regulations and it the responsibility to police it
tachograph:
ROG:
You are referring to the RTD and if no night opt out is in place then technically you are restricted to 10 hours drive/work time with poa and breaks not counting but the reality is that the authorities and most companies do not SEEM to bother about itROG:
DEL - simple question - since the start of the RTD how many drivers or companies have been prosecuted BY THE AUTHORITIES over RTD breaches ?A rough figure will do …
Once again you’ve stated that most companies don’t bother about the working time regulations, so tell us how many companies you’ve worked for that do not comply with the RT(WT)R 2005 ?
Nearly every company I’ve worked at comply with the WTD and expect drivers to do likewise, numerous people on this board have told you that their companies policy is to comply with working time regulations but it doesn’t seem to sink in
I think you find that Rog as never used i,t the last time he worked as a professional driver was in 2004 according to his signature
So the reality is ■■?
ROG:
So the reality is ■■?
So the reality is, that drivers can get infringements and possibly lose their jobs for failing to comply with the working time regulations regardless of what VOSA or anyone thinks about it.
ROG:
So the reality is ■■?
the reality is Rog companies just don’t want to be fined for something is law
You are right in a way the no one polices it, but that is not what i an getting at, your giving advise to people on here to ignore I piece of legislation, members come on here to ask abut is but you keep telling them to forget about it, which is wrong and bad information
You see you tell them not to bother about it, then you mite as well tell them to forget about POA, Night working, the 6 hour rule, and all those other nice things that are in it
tachograph:
ROG:
So the reality is ■■?So the reality is, that drivers can get infringements and possibly lose their jobs for failing to comply with the working time regulations regardless of what VOSA or anyone thinks about it.
2 driver at the last firm I worked for got verbal warnings for not following it, one of them came to me and ask why do we have to follow it I though it was them to do it, I told them your the driver at the time the infringement happen and therefore your responsible, you are require by law to have a break of 30 minutes after 6 hour work, if you don’t take a break after 6 hours work your at fault
I do not ever recall telling anybody what to do or not do - supply the facts/reality and then let others make up their own minds is my policy