Ford Focus 1.0 , when you rev it , push it fairly hard it’s as it goes into limp mode , looses power
If you drive it steady , 55/60 mph it runs fine , done 100 miles + in it today
Not sure if related but last night when lost power engine was ticking over all over place , yet after steady runs smooth , service due light came on last night , which could be mileage related but seemed to coincide with loss of power
Could it be I’m loosing boost , oh for plugs , points etc
Read up & every ones goes on about wet belt ( cam belt ) & get shot
Try remove and clean air flow sensor.
Is could be a sensor or ECU map loss issue in any of the ignition timing/engine load/revs parameters.
Also some say modern variable valve timing like Vanos systems need a regular ‘Italian tune up’, to keep them working properly throughout the range but which the speed regime obviously prevents so they seize up and lose their ability to adjust the valve timing at the top end.
Have you had the codes read? A cheap reader can be had for under £20, a Bluetooth one for about £10
Asked my lad for you doze (Grade A Ford specialist Master Tech) this is what he came back with.
Obviously can’t be precise without looking, but he gave some possibilities anyway
Read the codes.
The 1.0 (IIRR) has 2 wet belts, the other one runs the oil pump off the crank and can lose teeth, depriving the engine of oil.
Thanks all , going to have a good look
Thanks all for help , not seeing anything obvious so car going in fri , it will make my mind up if to keep or move on , I was fine with points / plugs but scanning I’ll leave to garage , wet belt was brought up by mate , and there does seem to be a lot of horror stories so will see what they come up with
Car MECHANICS? Are there any left? They all seem to be “Automotive Technicians” these days (at least, the ones under 50). We have one of those "A.T."s up our street, a lad in his late twenties. A couple of years back, I had a 1952 Chevy, straight six and two-speed auto, six-volt system with dynamo, no power steering, and enough room under the bonnet to get at any component easily, The lad looked perplexed. He’d never seen a dynamo before, nor an oil bath air cleaner. He couldn’t understand how such a big car didn’t have power steering (look at the size of the steering wheel!), and the carburettor and distributor cap were mystery items to him. No fuel injection? He shook his head and told me he wouldn’t know where to start with it. He works at a Toyota main dealership, and depends on a computer to tell him what’s wrong with a car. That’s why I keep to old cars, and do the servicing and repairs myself.
fodenway:
Car MECHANICS? Are there any left? They all seem to be “Automotive Technicians” these days (at least, the ones under 50). We have one of those "A.T."s up our street, a lad in his late twenties. A couple of years back, I had a 1952 Chevy, straight six and two-speed auto, six-volt system with dynamo, no power steering, and enough room under the bonnet to get at any component easily, The lad looked perplexed. He’d never seen a dynamo before, nor an oil bath air cleaner. He couldn’t understand how such a big car didn’t have power steering (look at the size of the steering wheel!), and the carburettor and distributor cap were mystery items to him. No fuel injection? He shook his head and told me he wouldn’t know where to start with it. He works at a Toyota main dealership, and depends on a computer to tell him what’s wrong with a car. That’s why I keep to old cars, and do the servicing and repairs myself.
To be fair the old pushrod Chevy motor or the V8’s would also be a lot easier and quicker to tear down and rebuild than a 1948 DOHC Jag XK and ultimately with better specific power output than the Jag.
Having said that the old V12 runs better and more reliably fitted with more recent tech coil packs and aftermarket crank sensing engine management system than it ever did with the useless standard system and distributor.
While plenty of people have thrown away modern liability double overhead cam variable valve timing waste of space Euro motors to be replaced by a pushrod LS V8.
Dav1d:
Read the codes.
The 1.0 (IIRR) has 2 wet belts, the other one runs the oil pump off the crank and can lose teeth, depriving the engine of oil.
Search on YouTube for “Ford 1.0 ecoboost stripdown” and watch a failed one taken to pieces, showing the degraded and tooth-missing belts which wrecked it.
Advice from two mates who own garages is to avoid these unless new and within the warranty period.
They also say it is critical that oil changes MUST use the correct oil, which is supposed to be compatible with the wet belts.
dozy:
Thanks all for help , not seeing anything obvious so car going in fri , it will make my mind up if to keep or move on , I was fine with points / plugs but scanning I’ll leave to garage , wet belt was brought up by mate , and there does seem to be a lot of horror stories so will see what they come up with
You can buy a cheap code scanner for about £20 from just about everywhere (Eurocarparts used to do them, as did Halfords).
Any garage reading codes at a customer request (usually) charges for it, usually more than the cost of buying a unit yourself.
fodenway:
Car MECHANICS? Are there any left? They all seem to be “Automotive Technicians” these days (at least, the ones under 50). We have one of those "A.T."s up our street, a lad in his late twenties. A couple of years back, I had a 1952 Chevy, straight six and two-speed auto, six-volt system with dynamo, no power steering, and enough room under the bonnet to get at any component easily, The lad looked perplexed. He’d never seen a dynamo before, nor an oil bath air cleaner. He couldn’t understand how such a big car didn’t have power steering (look at the size of the steering wheel!), and the carburettor and distributor cap were mystery items to him. No fuel injection? He shook his head and told me he wouldn’t know where to start with it. He works at a Toyota main dealership, and depends on a computer to tell him what’s wrong with a car. That’s why I keep to old cars, and do the servicing and repairs myself.
Feeling the need (as ever ). to jump.to the defence of my own lad here who is one of your… ‘Automotive Technicians’. and a Service Manager at a local Ford dealership,.at the top of his tree after qualifying at Fords on the numerous courses he has done at Daventry FORD.
He’s 35 now and when he was a boy of 14/15 him and his mate used to have a couple of old bangers in a field…leave it ,.
They used to regularly strip them down in a barn at weekends doing repairs.
My Uncle was a mechanic in the 60s and 70s and he kinda took Mike my lad under his wing when he showed an interest.
I remember him teaching him about old engines then,.and he is like me if he is interested in something he takes it in quick.
He also did part of his apprenticeship on trucks.
So what you say is maybe true, but not in all cases.
Buckstones:
Dav1d:
Read the codes.
The 1.0 (IIRR) has 2 wet belts, the other one runs the oil pump off the crank and can lose teeth, depriving the engine of oil.Search on YouTube for “Ford 1.0 ecoboost stripdown” and watch a failed one taken to pieces, showing the degraded and tooth-missing belts which wrecked it.
Advice from two mates who own garages is to avoid these unless new and within the warranty period.
They also say it is critical that oil changes MUST use the correct oil, which is supposed to be compatible with the wet belts.
I got it at 62.000 & it’s now done 93,000 & has been faultless so I can’t complain , had it 3 years , I used it today & it runs fine at 55 / 60 mph , it’s above that , when you push it that it plays up , didn’t push it as trying to get to fri
Read about wet belts , but all I can say it’s full service history with Ford , I assume they’ve used correct oil
Will see what they say fri , ta
Dav1d:
dozy:
Thanks all for help , not seeing anything obvious so car going in fri , it will make my mind up if to keep or move on , I was fine with points / plugs but scanning I’ll leave to garage , wet belt was brought up by mate , and there does seem to be a lot of horror stories so will see what they come up withYou can buy a cheap code scanner for about £20 from just about everywhere (Eurocarparts used to do them, as did Halfords).
Any garage reading codes at a customer request (usually) charges for it, usually more than the cost of buying a unit yourself.
Apparently it was £120 to look at it , but there doing it for £90 as I’m a special customer apparently , I know what you mean , if it had plugs / points etc I’d have a go but I struggle with phone never mind electronics on a car
Years ago I changed engines / gearboxes / axles etc , but maybe I’m getting old , can afford it , ta anyway
Thanks all , there’s definitely a loss of power , going from Grantham to Melton it would go up Denton hill at 55 ( cruise ) , now it dies & your down to 3 rd , if you just drive at 55 / 60 you don’t really notice it , until you want to go past something
It’s probably going anyway but it’s nagging away what is it , through I guess sense would be to just change it and save £90 investigation charge ( did trade in but never went through with it , another story )
I’ll report back fri , ta all
robroy:
fodenway:
Car MECHANICS? Are there any left? They all seem to be “Automotive Technicians” these days (at least, the ones under 50). We have one of those "A.T."s up our street, a lad in his late twenties. A couple of years back, I had a 1952 Chevy, straight six and two-speed auto, six-volt system with dynamo, no power steering, and enough room under the bonnet to get at any component easily, The lad looked perplexed. He’d never seen a dynamo before, nor an oil bath air cleaner. He couldn’t understand how such a big car didn’t have power steering (look at the size of the steering wheel!), and the carburettor and distributor cap were mystery items to him. No fuel injection? He shook his head and told me he wouldn’t know where to start with it. He works at a Toyota main dealership, and depends on a computer to tell him what’s wrong with a car. That’s why I keep to old cars, and do the servicing and repairs myself.Feeling the need (as ever ). to jump.to the defence of my own lad here who is one of your… ‘Automotive Technicians’. and a Service Manager at a local Ford dealership,.at the top of his tree after qualifying at Fords on the numerous courses he has done at Daventry FORD.
He’s 35 now and when he was a boy of 14/15 him and his mate used to have a couple of old bangers in a field…leave it ,.
They used to regularly strip them down in a barn at weekends doing repairs.
My Uncle was a mechanic in the 60s and 70s and he kinda took Mike my lad under his wing when he showed an interest.
I remember him teaching him about old engines then,.and he is like me if he is interested in something he takes it in quick.
He also did part of his apprenticeship on trucks.
So what you say is maybe true, but not in all cases.
Sounds like your lad had a good grounding Rob, interested for the right reasons and with a guiding hand from someone experienced in the old ways. As I said, some of them haven’t much of a clue unless the computer diagnostics tells them the fault.
fodenway:
robroy:
fodenway:
Car MECHANICS? Are there any left? They all seem to be “Automotive Technicians” these days (at least, the ones under 50). We have one of those "A.T."s up our street, a lad in his late twenties. A couple of years back, I had a 1952 Chevy, straight six and two-speed auto, six-volt system with dynamo, no power steering, and enough room under the bonnet to get at any component easily, The lad looked perplexed. He’d never seen a dynamo before, nor an oil bath air cleaner. He couldn’t understand how such a big car didn’t have power steering (look at the size of the steering wheel!), and the carburettor and distributor cap were mystery items to him. No fuel injection? He shook his head and told me he wouldn’t know where to start with it. He works at a Toyota main dealership, and depends on a computer to tell him what’s wrong with a car. That’s why I keep to old cars, and do the servicing and repairs myself.Feeling the need (as ever ). to jump.to the defence of my own lad here who is one of your… ‘Automotive Technicians’. and a Service Manager at a local Ford dealership,.at the top of his tree after qualifying at Fords on the numerous courses he has done at Daventry FORD.
He’s 35 now and when he was a boy of 14/15 him and his mate used to have a couple of old bangers in a field…leave it ,.
They used to regularly strip them down in a barn at weekends doing repairs.
My Uncle was a mechanic in the 60s and 70s and he kinda took Mike my lad under his wing when he showed an interest.
I remember him teaching him about old engines then,.and he is like me if he is interested in something he takes it in quick.
He also did part of his apprenticeship on trucks.
So what you say is maybe true, but not in all cases.Sounds like your lad had a good grounding Rob, interested for the right reasons and with a guiding hand from someone experienced in the old ways. As I said, some of them haven’t much of a clue unless the computer diagnostics tells them the fault.
Yep,.he came away from school with no academic exam passes…no interest.
I remember him at 16 , and me having him pinned up against the kitchen door for his over confident Jack the Lad cockiness (can’t think who he got that from btw ) telling him he would never come to anything and he’d be a loser…Jeez did he prove me wrong,.and I’ve told him this many times.
Just to keep blowing my trumpet , he has a name around here for solving probs with cars, and even other local garages often contact him if they have had no luck solving their problem,…
Same with my younger lad Stevie, no exam passes, who has made a name for himself as a spray painter, and is starting a new project at same Ford dealership in their new paint repair shop…
Anyhoo no more mind numbingly boring to everybody else ‘proud Dad stuff’ for now. …Except to say I’m glad I talked them right out of going driving ■■■■ trucks. …nuff said.
Got to agree on your other point btw,.when my Craptros was new I remember going in to Mercs with a passenger door that would not lock on the central lock button…and I showed the mechanic this .
Nothing came up on his computer, other than it was ok,.so he could not fix it. …I kid you not btw.
On another occasion when the 24v socket did not work,.they took the complete dash out to replace it which took hours …absolute no need to btw, it comes out in seconds.
dozy:
Thanks all , there’s definitely a loss of power , going from Grantham to Melton it would go up Denton hill at 55 ( cruise ) , now it dies & your down to 3 rd , if you just drive at 55 / 60 you don’t really notice it , until you want to go past something
It’s probably going anyway but it’s nagging away what is it , through I guess sense would be to just change it and save £90 investigation charge ( did trade in but never went through with it , another story )
I’ll report back fri , ta all
£90 to plug something in and read a code (or two) is insane.
There’s nothing difficult about it, and the same code reader will work on many other makes and models of cars.
You don’t say the year of your car but timing belt interval on newer Fiestas is 150k or 10 years, though I wouldn’t wait that long in either case.
Dav1d:
dozy:
Thanks all , there’s definitely a loss of power , going from Grantham to Melton it would go up Denton hill at 55 ( cruise ) , now it dies & your down to 3 rd , if you just drive at 55 / 60 you don’t really notice it , until you want to go past something
It’s probably going anyway but it’s nagging away what is it , through I guess sense would be to just change it and save £90 investigation charge ( did trade in but never went through with it , another story )
I’ll report back fri , ta all£90 to plug something in and read a code (or two) is insane.
There’s nothing difficult about it, and the same code reader will work on many other makes and models of cars.
You don’t say the year of your car but timing belt interval on newer Fiestas is 150k or 10 years, though I wouldn’t wait that long in either case.
65 plate , 93 , 600 miles , in theory it shouldn’t need a belt yet , but I’m reading of lots of garages saying belt changed 50/60 k
I’m going for camshaft position sensor , just reading of faults with this car this seems to give exactly the issues I have , I can’t see the other issue I’ve found being revelant but I’ve noticed a slight weep of oil round the cam cover , reading up this engine is prone to cracking the cam cover ( never heard of cracked cam cover before ) just where I’ve the weep
I’ve used it and it runs fine at 55/60 mph , not reving , so can’t see belt , if belt was going I’d of thought you’d have issues at every speed / revs
See what Friday brings , ta