mickyblue:
I read your post that I replied to and it’s driver this and driver that
Fair enough, but my wider point is that the driver is the one bringing the danger into the road environment. Therefore, he or she should bear a greater part of the responsibility for ensuring it doesn’t all go wrong. I also said that the same thing applies to cyclists mixing with pedestrians on shared use paths, but you seem less eager to pick that point up.
Which is basically the same old bs that wants to connect blame with the level of vulnerability rather than the rules of the road.The fact is overtaking and especially undertaking anything through a junction will inevitably result in a collision sooner or later.Especially in the case of something that can be as easily lost from view as a cyclist from the point of view of a truck or bus.
mickyblue:
I read your post that I replied to and it’s driver this and driver that
Fair enough, but my wider point is that the driver is the one bringing the danger into the road environment. Therefore, he or she should bear a greater part of the responsibility for ensuring it doesn’t all go wrong. I also said that the same thing applies to cyclists mixing with pedestrians on shared use paths, but you seem less eager to pick that point up.
Which is basically the same old bs that wants to connect blame with the level of vulnerability rather than the rules of the road.The fact is overtaking and especially undertaking anything through a junction will inevitably result in a collision sooner or later.Especially in the case of something that can be as easily lost from view as a cyclist from the point of view of a truck or bus.
It does strike me as a more reasonable position than the one you’ve adopted, which appears to be that lorry drivers should be permitted to swan around without a care in the world while everyone else scrambles desperately to get out of their way …
mickyblue:
I read your post that I replied to and it’s driver this and driver that
Fair enough, but my wider point is that the driver is the one bringing the danger into the road environment. Therefore, he or she should bear a greater part of the responsibility for ensuring it doesn’t all go wrong. I also said that the same thing applies to cyclists mixing with pedestrians on shared use paths, but you seem less eager to pick that point up.
Which is basically the same old bs that wants to connect blame with the level of vulnerability rather than the rules of the road.The fact is overtaking and especially undertaking anything through a junction will inevitably result in a collision sooner or later.Especially in the case of something that can be as easily lost from view as a cyclist from the point of view of a truck or bus.
It does strike me as a more reasonable position than the one you’ve adopted, which appears to be that lorry drivers should be permitted to swan around without a care in the world while everyone else scrambles desperately to get out of their way …
There’s nothing reasonable about giving cyclists carte blanche to ignore the basic rules of survival on the road because they are vulnerable and then adding insult to injury by blaming the innocent party because vulnerability supposedly over rides those basic rules which are there for everyone’s safety.
FH Hammy:
Ah, a bit of Trucknet banter. I’m sure the TNUK CSI are looking into it for the London Met.
It’s a shame that the driver killed the bloke on the bike because he will most likely go down for it, and on top of that there’s the burden of killing someone. Poor fella.
Been away so I’ve missed this one, no change to the typical round of crap from the usual suspects engaged in a ■■■■■■■ contest on the back of someone getting killed.
I did find the above quite funny though, he’s got less chance of going down than Sunderland have of staying up. For instance, just been reading about a driver that killed a cyclist in Coventry recently while speeding & driving through a red light. 3 year ban, 100 hrs public service & 9 month suspended sentence. Not bad that eh?
Still think he will go down? And still the best way to commit murder.
K5Project:
Can we have it you have to scan a copy of your driving licence and CPC card to use this forum I’ll be interested how many users disappear
Is K5Reject the interweb Mall Cop!
I will Pepsi challenge you?
A poster who wants a CPC card to be a worthy credential must be a newbie
Must say alot about cyclist like you who think there the police trying to enforce and educate the world about the highway code.
Well if you’ve got a CPC card it means your a active i.e working or ready for work truck driver you wouldn’t pay unless you was driving for a job or got more money then sense and just wanted to be relived of some cash for the fun of it. And with the licence we know you can actually drive a truck not riding around on your ■■■■■ bike in your lyrca, grumpy arsed because you always wanted to drive a lorry.
and I said it as a measure to control the amount of idiots/trolls on this forum. Like your self
It would be very intresting to see which of the cyclist attack squad still stick around if that was a requirement.
As your crappy facts, your avatar and your general personalty I don’t reckon you even drive a lorry.
I think we should start a poll to ban you see how many members here actually want you around
Go bugger off back to your bike forums, cycling weekly and your Eddie Stobart models. Dunno if you know but most people join a forums of there work or interests rather then just joining to try to get on peoples nerves
I suggest rather then wasting your time on here you play a bit more euro truck sim 2 pretending to be closer to your dream (why else would you stay if you hate lorrys as much as you make out), though I’m sure you can petition and ■■■■■ to the game developer as they lack bikes in it
Sounds like you’ve spent some time on it.
I’ve got a copy of euro truck simulator 2 for a laugh (was expecting it to be ■■■■) but it turned out to be quite good.
We’ll K5 the problem you have is that this is a public forum, that means anyone can come on & say what they want, within reason. If you post anything on here it is open to scrutiny & ridicule from every other reader. Just because you drive a lorry for a living, if that’s what you do, then don’t expect every other lorry driver to be the same as you, or like what you like or agree with all you say.
You don’t have to like what some people write, or agree with it, you don’t even have to read it, but when you start trying to ban people for their views the forum becomes something else entirely.
For the record I use my class 1 every weekday, don’t have a DCPC card & ride to work & back.
Oh I don’t think every truck driver should think the same but when you see a accident on the news you can kind of see both sides reasonably well yes truck should of looked cyclist shouldn’t of been there etc
I’m not trying to change peoples views lets say I’m trying to cut the riff raff
And yes I like a good debate as much as anyone but as of late there more and more of these posts and some people mainly chester just come on to troll then it turns into a slagging fest then mass attacks when someone uses the wrong wording to describe a right of way etc
lets have a good debate about something other then ■■■■■■■ cyclists (its turning into to a religion with people trying to ram it down your neck)
the clue is in the forum title at the top
if you want to debate cycling and cycle safety I’m sure there’s better places for chester to lerk
I’m NOT saying check everyone has a licence before been allowed to post but some marker on the side like Verified trucker as alot of the retired and non drivers do have some good posts. what I’m saying would be interesting to see who actually drives trucks and who’s just on here to annoy the crap out of people by going on about cyclists.
Even move the cyclist post to a another category
jobseeker:
Sounds like you’ve spent some time on it.
I’ve got a copy of euro truck simulator 2 for a laugh (was expecting it to be [zb]) but it turned out to be quite good.
Yes I have I got it in the steam sale cheap got it for a laugh as well, and the same was quite surprised how playable it was
Have not seen this reported anywhere else,last week at the inquest into the death of a 24 year old female cyclist in E. London in November 2013 the coroner found “the fundamental cause of this collision was ****** going through a red light!”,as a tipper driver in and around London and sometime cyclist I have no comments to make!
If you don’t like someone’s post’s, why not do what I did and put them on your ignore list ? People like him give me the squits too, but I know what I can do if I want.
I’ve spent a lot of time trawling through the inquest reports into cycle deaths in London.
there have been some where the truck driver was clearly to blame (drunk or on the phone for instance) and others where the cyclist was plainly reckless (running through a red light or riding into the side of a truck that was indicating a left turn with a audible warning sounding too).
But most of them seemed to be down to a combination of poor road design and lack of anticipation…rather than recklessness… on the cyclist’s part.
The cycle lanes that give cyclists a false sense of security while depositing them in very dangerous road positions are a prime example.
I think cyclists should be encouraged to use London’s quiet roads just as cab drivers do…the current ‘cycle superhighway’ policy is to encourage them to use the busiest roads with the most trucks and the fastest-moving traffic. It’s really a very dangerous way for the bods at TfL to make a political point.
One positive about the Lorry Road User Charge is that it kills the cyclist argument the there is no such thing as road tax…there is now, and all trucks are paying it.
Slackbladder:
Is that the drivers equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears, stamping your feet & shouting “I can’t hear you la la la”? Very mature.
must be a newbie 
