albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
So what do give way and stop lines mean in that case.There’s a big difference between reversing the priorities on a defensive driving basis as and when possible,as opposed to using that as an excuse when the zb hits the fan if someone takes that defensive driving for granted by ignoring the rules of the road.But if you really believe that then what were you on about here in blaming the truck driver when according to your rules no driver supposedly has ‘priority’.When ironically even Stevie Wonder could have seen that was actually a case where the vehicle on the roundabout should have given way to the truck on that basis of using defensive driving and thereby reversing the priorities without making a drama about it. 
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111491&p=1702425&hilit=roundabout#p1698584
Read my post again and try to understand exactly what I said instead of going off on one of your loopy rants and then it might be worth answering you but I doubt it.
No surprise that you’ve chosen not to answer the question,concerning the inconsistency,between your idea that supposedly ‘no driver ever has the right of way’ and then you blaming a truck driver for entering a roundabout,thereby requiring a bit of defensive driving on the part of traffic with the right of way on the roundabout from the right.Having also stated that we all know how difficult it is getting a loaded truck away to enter a roundabout in traffic.IE right of way seemed to mean everything in that case when it suited your argument.
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
So what do give way and stop lines mean in that case.There’s a big difference between reversing the priorities on a defensive driving basis as and when possible,as opposed to using that as an excuse when the zb hits the fan if someone takes that defensive driving for granted by ignoring the rules of the road.But if you really believe that then what were you on about here in blaming the truck driver when according to your rules no driver supposedly has ‘priority’.When ironically even Stevie Wonder could have seen that was actually a case where the vehicle on the roundabout should have given way to the truck on that basis of using defensive driving and thereby reversing the priorities without making a drama about it.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111491&p=1702425&hilit=roundabout#p1698584
Read my post again and try to understand exactly what I said instead of going off on one of your loopy rants and then it might be worth answering you but I doubt it.
No surprise that you’ve chosen not to answer the question,concerning the inconsistency,between your idea that supposedly ‘no driver ever has the right of way’ and then you blaming a truck driver for entering a roundabout,thereby requiring a bit of defensive driving on the part of traffic with the right of way on the roundabout from the right.Having also stated that we all know how difficult it is getting a loaded truck away to enter a roundabout in traffic.IE right of way seemed to mean everything in that case when it suited your argument.
Curryfart don’t bother with it. This is a person or what ever it is, is happy to post on a topic about dead goats and compere it to this topic about a cyclist being killed. It needs to get out more and read what people type. I do suspect it don’t hold a HGV license and is just trolling.
Once again, change the record
albion1971:
K5 You seem to be biased against cyclists like many on here.I agree cyclists are a big problem but so are incompetent drivers.
You mention about a cyclist on a phone! How many drivers do you see using a phone compared to cyclists? Probably about 100 to 1.
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
Olog Hai:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
Albion1971 is never wrong. He or she knows everything and can do everything better than anybody else.
+1 that’s why the ignore function is your friend.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
K5 You seem to be biased against cyclists like many on here.I agree cyclists are a big problem but so are incompetent drivers.
You mention about a cyclist on a phone! How many drivers do you see using a phone compared to cyclists? Probably about 100 to 1.
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
I think you better check your facts and learn the rules of the road.You do not have right of way in these situations.
The concept of the right of way is important to understand since the law never really grants the right of way.
A little snippet to help you on your way!
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
K5 You seem to be biased against cyclists like many on here.I agree cyclists are a big problem but so are incompetent drivers.
You mention about a cyclist on a phone! How many drivers do you see using a phone compared to cyclists? Probably about 100 to 1.
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
I think you better check your facts and learn the rules of the road.You do not have right of way in these situations.
Blimey so in one post you’ve said that the truck driver was in the wrong for entering a roundabout without giving way to traffic approaching on the roundabout from the right.Now you’re saying that in fact the vehicle on the roundabout approaching from the right did not have right of way because no one actually did.While in the event of someone deciding to overtake a parked ( or obviously moving vehicle ) then anything approaching in the opposite direction on the correct side of the road would be to blame if there’s a head on crash.Having said that it’s equally obvious that sensible defensive driving will sometimes mean reversing the ‘rights of way’/priorites to avoid an avoidable conflict situation wherever possible.In which case your comments,in the post concerning the roundabout situation,seem to contradict both that fact and your ideas on this topic. 
albion1971:
The concept of the right of way is important to understand since the law never really grants the right of way.
A little snippet to help you on your way!
Right of way in this case being the rules of the road regarding priorites.Maybe you could explain the meaning and use of give way lines and the system of priorites at roundabouts and motorway entry slip roads for example in that case.Or the rules relating to overtaking.I think you’re confusing defensive driving techniques with the actual rules of the road related to priorities.Which still leaves that question of the inconsistency between your view in the roundabout topic as opposed to this one.
newmercman:
chester:
newmercman:
It was a self defence headbutt after the lunatic had first rode into my trailer wheels as I was stopped waiting for a car to back up so I could get into a side street, then when I asked wtf he was playing at he spun around and launched his bike at me, I took this as a sign of an impending good hiding and got in quick 
A cyclist riding into the side of a stationary LGV then kicking off and blaming the driver, hmmmm
So obviously out of your cab window you asked why a cyclist had driven into your rear trailer wheels?
Yes I’m a ventriloquist
I was a bit less tolerant of people shouting in my younger days, in fact I didn’t need much of an excuse to get into a punch up, so much so that I’ve offered my own shadow out once or twice 
who won,you or your shadow
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
So what do give way and stop lines mean in that case.There’s a big difference between reversing the priorities on a defensive driving basis as and when possible,as opposed to using that as an excuse when the zb hits the fan if someone takes that defensive driving for granted by ignoring the rules of the road.But if you really believe that then what were you on about here in blaming the truck driver when according to your rules no driver supposedly has ‘priority’.When ironically even Stevie Wonder could have seen that was actually a case where the vehicle on the roundabout should have given way to the truck on that basis of using defensive driving and thereby reversing the priorities without making a drama about it.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111491&p=1702425&hilit=roundabout#p1698584
Read my post again and try to understand exactly what I said instead of going off on one of your loopy rants and then it might be worth answering you but I doubt it.
No surprise that you’ve chosen not to answer the question,concerning the inconsistency,between your idea that supposedly ‘no driver ever has the right of way’ and then you blaming a truck driver for entering a roundabout,thereby requiring a bit of defensive driving on the part of traffic with the right of way on the roundabout from the right.Having also stated that we all know how difficult it is getting a loaded truck away to enter a roundabout in traffic.IE right of way seemed to mean everything in that case when it suited your argument.
In fairness, you didn’t actually ask a question in your first post. It was just your usual incomprehensible bilge. Albion is right insofar as no road user (including cyclists) has “right of way”: you may have priority but that doesn’t give you the right to barge through regardless of what’s coming. You should always be prepared to stop if it avoids an incident. And I include cyclists in that, before you ask.
Rhythm Thief:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
So what do give way and stop lines mean in that case.There’s a big difference between reversing the priorities on a defensive driving basis as and when possible,as opposed to using that as an excuse when the zb hits the fan if someone takes that defensive driving for granted by ignoring the rules of the road.But if you really believe that then what were you on about here in blaming the truck driver when according to your rules no driver supposedly has ‘priority’.When ironically even Stevie Wonder could have seen that was actually a case where the vehicle on the roundabout should have given way to the truck on that basis of using defensive driving and thereby reversing the priorities without making a drama about it.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=111491&p=1702425&hilit=roundabout#p1698584
Read my post again and try to understand exactly what I said instead of going off on one of your loopy rants and then it might be worth answering you but I doubt it.
No surprise that you’ve chosen not to answer the question,concerning the inconsistency,between your idea that supposedly ‘no driver ever has the right of way’ and then you blaming a truck driver for entering a roundabout,thereby requiring a bit of defensive driving on the part of traffic with the right of way on the roundabout from the right.Having also stated that we all know how difficult it is getting a loaded truck away to enter a roundabout in traffic.IE right of way seemed to mean everything in that case when it suited your argument.
In fairness, you didn’t actually ask a question in your first post. It was just your usual incomprehensible bilge. Albion is right insofar as no road user (including cyclists) has “right of way”: you may have priority but that doesn’t give you the right to barge through regardless of what’s coming. You should always be prepared to stop if it avoids an incident. And I include cyclists in that, before you ask.
It’s obvious that ‘right of way’ in this case is just referring to the accepted written rules of the road regarding priorities.
The question concerning the inconsistency,between Albion’s view of the everyday foreseeable situation,of a slow truck being caught out on entering a roundabout by approaching traffic with the ‘priority’ from the right,as opposed to then saying there is actually ‘no right of way/priority’ in that case seems clear enough if you want to see it.IE traffic on a roundabout from the right may have priority but there are times when those priorities may have to be reversed.The difference being that it’s more likely that cyclists in too many cases either don’t actually know or care about those priorities just like they often don’t know about or give a zb about the dangers of them undertaking trucks at junctions.As opposed to getting caught out for unavoidable reasons like needing to get up to around 60 feet of slow moving truck from a standstill onto a roundabout amongst approaching fast moving traffic.
As I said right back on page one of this thread, it really is about time we stopped expecting every other road user to understand exactly where a lorry’s blind spots are and how to avoid them, and started driving in a way which allows for those blind spots. I know cyclists sometimes ride up the inside of my truck at traffic lights and I find it annoying, but I drive accordingly: I never stop looking at the mirrors even when I’m stationary and so far, I’ve never failed to see a cyclist doing what I describe. In an ideal world, cyclists would know everything about blind spots on lorries (and I consider myself safer on a bike because I do know about them), but the reality is that they don’t and we should be driving in a way which allows for that.
A nice start would be a schools, get it into their head when they’re young that if they can’t see the whole driver’s face in a mirror or window, then they are invisible to the driver 
As for the current lot out there, Darwinism will thin the herd a little, there may be a few unfortunate casualties, just in the wrong place at the wrong time, right place, wrong time etc and a few may be the fault of bad driving, but let’s not blow it out of proportion
As I said way back, a lot more cycles are on the road now, so the law of averages says that more will be killed or injured, a dozen cyclists have died, now I’m not making light of that, even the most negligent of them didn’t deserve to die because they were riding bad, but in the scheme of things, thousands of bikes on the road and only a dozen are killed, still pretty decent odds
Statistically you’re safer riding a bike through London than climbing a ladder…
Rhythm Thief:
As I said right back on page one of this thread, it really is about time we stopped expecting every other road user to understand exactly where a lorry’s blind spots are and how to avoid them, and started driving in a way which allows for those blind spots. I know cyclists sometimes ride up the inside of my truck at traffic lights and I find it annoying, but I drive accordingly: I never stop looking at the mirrors even when I’m stationary and so far, I’ve never failed to see a cyclist doing what I describe. In an ideal world, cyclists would know everything about blind spots on lorries (and I consider myself safer on a bike because I do know about them), but the reality is that they don’t and we should be driving in a way which allows for that.
That’s full of contradictions.Every driver is trained and knows from day 1 that you drive the thing on it’s mirrors including while it’s stopped waiting at junctions and lights etc etc.Without doing that it won’t just be cyclists that are in the inevitable firing line of a truck running into or over them.
But.How is that going to help in the case of a moving small target like a cyclist that’s not there when you’re looking in the nearside mirrors but suddenly is there either when you’re looking in the offside mirrors or straight ahead and as a result manages to get into any of the very real blindspots during that time.IE you can use the mirrors as much as you like but that won’t change the definition of something that’s moving getting into a blindspot while your attention is elsewhere like looking ahead or to the offside.Which means that you won’t see the cyclist even though you’re using the mirrors correctly.
Any attempt to make cyclists think anything different to that is putting them in more danger not less.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
K5 You seem to be biased against cyclists like many on here.I agree cyclists are a big problem but so are incompetent drivers.
You mention about a cyclist on a phone! How many drivers do you see using a phone compared to cyclists? Probably about 100 to 1.
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
You accused me of being wrong! I am not wrong.Any chance of a proper explanation?
DonutUK:
Cyclists are unregulated, untested, uninsured and more danger to themselves than any truck.
The sooner they are made to demonstrate a set standard before allowed on public roads, have proper insurance cover in place and are held to account for their illegal riding practices the sooner we will start to see less fatalities.
Until then, they will continue be the lemmings of the road and gather no sympathy from me when Darwinism removes them from the gene pool.
■■■■■, LGV drivers are regulated, tested and hopefully insured.Does not seem to stop some of them driving like complete morons.
Do you think it would stop cyclists?
Which means that you won’t see the cyclist even though you’re using the mirrors correctly.
Now what do we make of this comment? Can we guess where it came from?
Watch out guys even although you use your mirrors correctly you will not see the cyclist…Oh dear…
albion1971:
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
albion1971:
K5 You seem to be biased against cyclists like many on here.I agree cyclists are a big problem but so are incompetent drivers.
You mention about a cyclist on a phone! How many drivers do you see using a phone compared to cyclists? Probably about 100 to 1.
You also mention about right of way.As with so many drivers they are ignorant of the rules.No driver ever has right of way.
You are wrong there because if a car has to go onto my side of the road to get around a parked car then it is me who has the right of way not them, same as a roundabout, traffic coming from the right has right of way over traffic entering the roundabout.
You accused me of being wrong! I am not wrong.Any chance of a proper explanation?
So how about a road where it narrows to a single road and you have the sign saying either you have the right of way over oncoming traffic or they do?? You know the blue square with the big white arrow and little red one? Going by your logic a car joining a motorway could ignore the give way markings at the bottom of a slip road join the motorway cause an accident and the other vehicle would be as much to blame because as you say, “no driver ever has the right of way” when we all all know that’s ■■■■■■■■ because those already on the motorway (a major road) have priority over those who are joining off the slip road (a minor road)