Yawn you get bad driving in all different industries not just tippers get a life
You do yes you get the odd driver in any company, But they top the list.Their attitude in the city stinks.
It was the same on every tipper company in the east end that i worked for chase, chase alday long.
Yawn you get bad driving in all different industries not just tippers get a life
You do yes you get the odd driver in any company, But they top the list.Their attitude in the city stinks.
It was the same on every tipper company in the east end that i worked for chase, chase alday long.
RIP to who’s involved no matter who’s fault I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone.
The truck driver for having to live with it his whole life and all the should of, would of could of, and the cyclist who in one tragic event lost his/her life
but I’m tired of this pro cyclist bull crap about the blind spot is now excuse trucks can’t use where there is a even easier/simpler solution with part blame on the cyclist.
What more can hauliers do? London trucks need as said above over £1500 cyclist safety equipment needed on most trucks (paid by the haulers) to even be able to enter/work on sites in London.
Not point blame or fault but surly a pedal bike is easier to stop, more agile, change direction and is easier to keep out the others way then a lorry. FACT its easier for a cyclist to see a HGV then a HGV to see a cyclist why don’t they fall back a bit be patient and see where its going before they travel in front or down the side Or even take a moment to make sure they are seen by the driver just cause he should don’t mean he has.
Yes I know cyclists have right of way but surely common sense should take over (like it does if your going down a single track country lane in your car you’ve got right of way but you meet a HGV its easier for you to back up and move or pull to one side so he can pass. you do this cause A) it’s easier for you to move then him B) you move to reduce the risk of accident)
The other problem is with the highway code old and the Law system in general laws aren’t deleted and rewritten there amended or new ones made to co exist with the old ones
Segregation is the only real answer, but will need a rethink on road design, perhaps a narrow slip road on every corner, so cyclists can escape traffic cutting in at the corner. I do the occasional triathlon and only do my cycle training off road, or very early in the morning on very quiet roads…absence of traffic and especially other cyclists is mandatory for me. I have driven artics for nearly thirty years, and always give cyclists a wide berth, that is not out of any real respect, because a large majority are ego driven morons, but purely because, as others have stated, who would want to be that poor driver sitting in the police station? A majority of cyclists use their commute as a form of training, a time trial. Woe betide you if you get in their way, be it as a pedestrian,a set of traffic lights, car driver, trucker or even a fellow cyclist. How is this allowed to carry on, while innocent HGV drivers are trying to do a job of work on congested streets? All it takes is a moments distraction on your right hand side and one of these guys travelling at close to 30mph will be on your nearside before you can turn your head back. Don’t see him and turn, and then you will be that guy in the police station. A truly scary thought.
K5Project:
RIP to who’s involved no matter who’s fault I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone.
The truck driver for having to live with it his whole life and all the should of, would of could of, and the cyclist who in one tragic event lost his/her life
but I’m tired of this pro cyclist bull crap about the blind spot is now excuse trucks can’t use where there is a even easier/simpler solution with part blame on the cyclist.
What more can hauliers do? London trucks need as said above over £1500 cyclist safety equipment needed on most trucks (paid by the haulers) to even be able to enter/work on sites in London.
Not point blame or fault but surly a pedal bike is easier to stop, more agile, change direction and is easier to keep out the others way then a lorry. FACT its easier for a cyclist to see a HGV then a HGV to see a cyclist why don’t they fall back a bit be patient and see where its going before they travel in front or down the side Or even take a moment to make sure they are seen by the driver just cause he should don’t mean he has.
Yes I know cyclists have right of way but surely common sense should take over (like it does if your going down a single track country lane in your car you’ve got right of way but you meet a HGV its easier for you to back up and move or pull to one side so he can pass. you do this cause A) it’s easier for you to move then him B) you move to reduce the risk of accident)
The other problem is with the highway code old and the Law system in general laws aren’t deleted and rewritten there amended or new ones made to co exist with the old ones
You say what more can hauliers do? All these new fancy contraptions are no good if there is an incompetent driver behind the wheel.It is the drivers and cyclists that need to change their ways and attitudes.
I am not saying this was the case here as nobody knows what happened to cause this tragic event however it is very apparent there is a strong biased element towards it always being the cyclists to blame.
Maybe drivers need more training regarding cyclists.Everyday driving would suggest there are some pretty clueless ones out there so maybe they are the ones involved in these accidents.
Also the hatred element is very apparent in some of the posts.
All very sad really.
So that’s what all the ambulances and coppers were racing to ■■■■■■ hell I was only on the street behind at the same time no wonder every other street went ■■■■ up
But what’s do we have to do to stop this we need to educate road users as well as do what I do and that’s to take it slow when pulling away and even slower when turning I know other drivers don’t like it but bugger em and I Inow for certain if the office ever said anything about it taking me so long in London I’d say a late load or possibly an fatal accident you chose I’d choose the late everyone
Just because a rigid doesn’t bend it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have a blind spot big enough to lose a cyclist in. It is easy to say that you should not have let them get there in the first place but they can come out of nowhere at some pace. If you are checking all the mirrors regularly and looking ahead it’s just possible that once in a while a cyclist is going to slip through the net. Especially if they are not wearing clothing that makes them stand out.
I’m not saying that it was one or the other at fault but just because it’s very unlikely that all these things could happen with this outcome it doesn’t mean to say that it wont.
Albion, do you not think that some of the ‘hatred’ towards cyclists is in part due to their own behaviour
I’ve driven lorries in Central London, including a spell as a mental muckaway driver in an 8 wheeler tipper, but back then cyclists were conspicuous by their absence, nowadays it’s a different story and the law of averages says that now that there are more of them on the road, more of them will get killed
When cars were few and far between, anyone could afford one could go and buy one and take to the roads, there was no test or licence required, but as they increased in numbers a test and a licence were required, maybe it’s time the self propelled lot had to take a test and gain a licence before they take to the road
newmercman:
Albion, do you not think that some of the ‘hatred’ towards cyclists is in part due to their own behaviour
I’ve driven lorries in Central London, including a spell as a mental muckaway driver in an 8 wheeler tipper, but back then cyclists were conspicuous by their absence, nowadays it’s a different story and the law of averages says that now that there are more of them on the road, more of them will get killed
When cars were few and far between, anyone could afford one could go and buy one and take to the roads, there was no test or licence required, but as they increased in numbers a test and a licence were required, maybe it’s time the self propelled lot had to take a test and gain a licence before they take to the road
Yes I am sure you are probably correct.I drove trucks in London in the 80’s and there were obviously far less cyclists.
I am still in London now and again and cyclists and drivers attitudes have definitely changed and not for the better as I am sure you know.
Maybe it is time to bring in new laws and tests for cyclists and I am sure it would make a big difference but it will not stop the incompetent driver in a rush.
I know cyclists are a nightmare these days but the amount of abuse they get on here tell me some drivers just do not really care.
Got to say I enjoy reading your posts.It is a pity there were not more with your usually sound opinions.
newmercman:
Albion, do you not think that some of the ‘hatred’ towards cyclists is in part due to their own behaviour
I know the question has been proposed to Albion, but you can have my view as well.
So they is hatred towards cyclists as you say so yourself!
Does that mean if I choose to hop on a bicycle in the morning that truck drivers would show me hatred for the actions of a few undesirables?
So to use TNUKs approach if a lorry driver ever cuts me up I should think that ALL lorry drivers are irresponsible?
Or look at it another way.
Idiots can choose to drive trucks, ride bikes or even Jay walk.
Although I replied to Albion in particular, this is an open forum so all comments are welcome.
Yes there is a feeling of ‘hatred’ towards cyclists, but only because those of us that have been around them have witnessed stupidity from them, or lost them in a blind spot, especially the ones on a mission who can easily sneak into a blind spot unseen, we can’t be in the mirrors all the time, we have to look ahead and on the other side too every now and then. If they all had lights or wore hi-viz maybe our peripheral vision might see them, but they don’t all do that, so anyone driving amongst them will have had a “[zb] me that was lucky” moment when one has appeared from nowhere.
So yes there is hatred, just as huge numbers of the public hate lorries and lorry drivers. Some for their antisocial behaviour and some because they’re in the way because of their speed and size and some just because.
Me, I always hug the kerb to stop them coming up the inside, it ■■■■■■ them off though and I’ve had to have a little roadside chat once or twice when they’ve hit the side of the lorry with their fist when they still try to get up the inside. One in particular was shocked to find out that an open faced helmet will not defend against a well timed headbutt
The sensible ones will keep out of the way and not repeatedly put themselves in danger by coming up the inside every time you hit a red light and then adding to the danger by needing to be overtaken before the next red light again and again, but it’s not often the sensible ones who end up being scraped up off the road
Wouldn’t a simple aid be to simply give cyclists in London a head start at traffic lights? A separate smaller set of lights could be installed lower down below the main set which changed to green 5-10 seconds before the main set, this would give the cyclists a chance to get going before other traffic and motorists a chance to watch them through in their mirrors. Instinctively, I think drivers would be looking in their nearside mirror as the cyclists filtered through.
It would certainly appear such a system might have saved this fellas life assuming the tweet posted above is accurate. Clearly, we can’t expect cyclists which include foreign tourists wobbling about on Boris bikes to always know where they should be around trucks. Furthermore, we have to accept they are road users and will remain as such.
newmercman:
Although I replied to Albion in particular, this is an open forum so all comments are welcome.
Yes there is a feeling of ‘hatred’ towards cyclists, but only because those of us that have been around them have witnessed stupidity from them, or lost them in a blind spot, especially the ones on a mission who can easily sneak into a blind spot unseen, we can’t be in the mirrors all the time, we have to look ahead and on the other side too every now and then. If they all had lights or wore hi-viz maybe our peripheral vision might see them, but they don’t all do that, so anyone driving amongst them will have had a “[zb] me that was lucky” moment when one has appeared from nowhere.
So yes there is hatred, just as huge numbers of the public hate lorries and lorry drivers. Some for their antisocial behaviour and some because they’re in the way because of their speed and size and some just because.
Me, I always hug the kerb to stop them coming up the inside, it ■■■■■■ them off though and I’ve had to have a little roadside chat once or twice when they’ve hit the side of the lorry with their fist when they still try to get up the inside. One in particular was shocked to find out that an open faced helmet will not defend against a well timed headbutt
The sensible ones will keep out of the way and not repeatedly put themselves in danger by coming up the inside every time you hit a red light and then adding to the danger by needing to be overtaken before the next red light again and again, but it’s not often the sensible ones who end up being scraped up off the road
Of course a well timed headbut, and your frustration of other road users bides you well
It was a self defence headbutt after the lunatic had first rode into my trailer wheels as I was stopped waiting for a car to back up so I could get into a side street, then when I asked wtf he was playing at he spun around and launched his bike at me, I took this as a sign of an impending good hiding and got in quick
newmercman:
It was a self defence headbutt after the lunatic had first rode into my trailer wheels as I was stopped waiting for a car to back up so I could get into a side street, then when I asked wtf he was playing at he spun around and launched his bike at me, I took this as a sign of an impending good hiding and got in quick
A cyclist riding into the side of a stationary LGV then kicking off and blaming the driver, hmmmm
So obviously out of your cab window you asked why a cyclist had driven into your rear trailer wheels?
Most people would (unless there is “air getting in”) like to consider themselves normal, humane, friendly, decent,un violent. All quality human traits that is supposed to be qualities that keeps our human race going in an effort to elevate our intelligence above those of apes. But many a self proclaimed decent human being turns into a Viking on the roads. Mind you it’s the same on a night out when you see Earth’s finest low life bipeds picking fisty cuffs with a complete stranger in order to feel good about themselves and cover up any self hatred and doubt about their place in the world by coming across as ‘hard’. I really do worry about the integrity of the human race. We’re quick to pat ourselves on the back as good individuals, but it’s not long until we at at war with otherwise strangers. This is in no way a biased comment either way on drivers or cyclists .
newmercman:
It was a self defence headbutt after the lunatic had first rode into my trailer wheels as I was stopped waiting for a car to back up so I could get into a side street, then when I asked wtf he was playing at he spun around and launched his bike at me, I took this as a sign of an impending good hiding and got in quick
A cyclist riding into the side of a stationary LGV then kicking off and blaming the driver, hmmmm
So obviously out of your cab window you asked why a cyclist had driven into your rear trailer wheels?
Yes I’m a ventriloquist
I was a bit less tolerant of people shouting in my younger days, in fact I didn’t need much of an excuse to get into a punch up, so much so that I’ve offered my own shadow out once or twice
