fuse:
I have not been asked but if I do it will " take a run and jump mate" no way. This country is or should I say the tax payers are paying 6 million a day to keep illegals in hotels and that does not include the cost of the channel taxi service …so if HM GOV can find money for this they should pay the NHS workers along with TRAIN service …the money is there get them paid
£6 million a day is chump change in the grand scheme of things. Granted the border situation needs sorting. But far too easy to point the finger at illegal immigrants as the cause for all our financial woes.
Also what is the alternative? Act like France and just let them camp in the forest or in makeshift huts? I’d rather that not become a thing.
The ambulance strike only affects England and Wales. They are still doing emergency cover. Lorry drivers wont be called in to drive ambulances. The soldiers if it comes to that wont be using the blues and twos.
I’m not sure how there going to win , apparently there was no-one on one picket line as they’d all raced off in there ambulances to emergency’s , arnt the rest covering emergencies , I guess that’s why Barclay & his mates have the attitude they do
I was more hopeful when labour get in , but then I listened to that Wes streeting on about the nurses strike , sounded like the torys ,
And no I wouldn’t drive a ambulance / break a picket line , applys to any picket line
Zac_A:
I really don’t see what experience your on about an ambulance is basically a van with uprated suspension as far as I remember. Any prat can drive one
You’ve certainly got a high opinion of yourself then. I take it you are qualified to drive under blue light conditions?
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It’s not comparable to driving a goods vehicle in the slightest, Blue Light training is very specialised, same as being an ■■■■■■ Driver for AILs is specialised even though you’re driving a 3.5T
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I drove an ambulance many years ago, had no blue lights though.
Also was an ■■■■■■ driver, some of the girls were really pleasant.
But isn’t the blue light training course only about a week and can be done in three days?
Macski:
I drove an ambulance many years ago, had no blue lights though.
Also was an ■■■■■■ driver, some of the girls were really pleasant.
But isn’t the blue light training course only about a week and can be done in three days?
Not really that specialised then is it. I dont think it is the actual driving of the ambulance that is any issue to anyone, it is all of the medical knowledge and highly specialised gear that they have on board that sets them apart and makes them special. The ambulance itself is not really anything different to driving an Asda or Tesco home shopping van. The OP original question is just hypothetical and more of a morality question than anything. Amazing to see the quotes of how drivers wouldn’t help someone out having a heart attack or on the brink of death in order not to cross a picket line!!! I would bet my bottom dollar that these drivers with such strong unionist views are not even members of a union but suddenly have a very ■■■■■■■■ & strong sense of solidarity towards others in order to appear having high morals. Yet the fact is that the driving industry is actually full of the exact opposit of people.
Macski:
I drove an ambulance many years ago, had no blue lights though.
Also was an ■■■■■■ driver, some of the girls were really pleasant.
But isn’t the blue light training course only about a week and can be done in three days?
Not really that specialised then is it. I dont think it is the actual driving of the ambulance that is any issue to anyone, it is all of the medical knowledge and highly specialised gear that they have on board that sets them apart and makes them special. The ambulance itself is not really anything different to driving an Asda or Tesco home shopping van. The OP original question is just hypothetical and more of a morality question than anything. Amazing to see the quotes of how drivers wouldn’t help someone out having a heart attack or on the brink of death in order not to cross a picket line!!! I would bet my bottom dollar that these drivers with such strong unionist views are not even members of a union but suddenly have a very ■■■■■■■■ & strong sense of solidarity towards others in order to appear having high morals. Yet the fact is that the driving industry is actually full of the exact opposit of people.
5 ! marks? Really?
Is there a need for anyone to cross a picket line to get an ambulance out in an emergency?
Anyone “on the brink of death” will be covered by the “strikers” anyway. It isn`t a 100% total strike.
But I do agree that the van-driving aspect is only a part of that job.
They are para-medics, who need to drive vans-- not van drivers with a bit of first-aid, chucked in.
Franglais:
Is there a need for anyone to cross a picket line to get an ambulance out in an emergency?
Anyone “on the brink of death” will be covered by the “strikers” anyway. It isn`t a 100% total strike.
But I do agree that the van-driving aspect is only a part of that job.
They are para-medics, who need to drive vans-- not van drivers with a bit of first-aid, chucked in.
Exactly my point, this isn’t like the miners strike where plenty of lorry drivers crossed picket lines daily. The ambulance drivers are breaking their own picket lines to go out to emergencys, it is a hyperthetical scenario. Also just to clarify the point that you make, Anyone on the brink of death is not 100% covered by an ambulance during this strike, it is expected that they probably will be but with a longer waiting time and possibly not at all. So the morality issue is would you cross a picket line in order to help someone in this position of not being able to get an ambulance? It is what sets us apart from animals.
Yorkshire Tramper:
Anyone on the brink of death is not 100% covered by an ambulance during this strike, it is expected that they probably will be but with a longer waiting time and possibly not at all
So, just the same as last week, and the week before that too.
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I do agree saying that somehow a picket line is more “sacred” than someones life is foolish at best or amoral at worst, but isnt that where Gov policy has been taking us?
Tax cuts are more “sacred” than life and health?
Yorkshire Tramper:
Anyone on the brink of death is not 100% covered by an ambulance during this strike, it is expected that they probably will be but with a longer waiting time and possibly not at all
So, just the same as last week, and the week before that too.
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I do agree saying that somehow a picket line is more “sacred” than someones life is foolish at best or amoral at worst, but isnt that where Gov policy has been taking us?
Tax cuts are more “sacred” than life and health?
Franglais:
But I do agree that the van-driving aspect is only a part of that job.
They are para-medics, who need to drive vans-- not van drivers with a bit of first-aid, chucked in.
Well isn’t there several types of ambulance crew?
I used to drive children with special needs to school and back, then drive people to hospital and back in between. I had no special training in anything including driving, my colleague had some training. That was a while ago and you could become an emergency ambulance driver in six weeks back then.
There are the technicians who have a six months of training, they are usually paird with paramedics but not always.
There are the trainee paramedics and the paramedics, to become a paramedic takes between two and three years. There are also the super paramedics who have been through a four year program and earn £55,000pa, although a few (i read the number is 28) have earned £58,000 . Some sources read that a paramedic salary in 2021 was just under £25,000 with overtime, bonuses and so on boost it to £34,000 what i can make out, which is very low in my view
Yorkshire Tramper:
Anyone on the brink of death is not 100% covered by an ambulance during this strike, it is expected that they probably will be but with a longer waiting time and possibly not at all
So, just the same as last week, and the week before that too.
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I do agree saying that somehow a picket line is more “sacred” than someones life is foolish at best or amoral at worst, but isnt that where Gov policy has been taking us?
Tax cuts are more “sacred” than life and health?
What is sacred among the Filthies is their view that they have the supreme right to govern, and absolutely everything msust be sacrificed upon that altar because after all they are all ex Eton School and:
Yorkshire Tramper:
I would never dream of crossing a picket line in normal circumstances, however I would help out anyone in difficulty in an emergency situation if it was necessary. Someone innocent having a heart attack and needing to get to a hospital but cannot get an ambulance is a reason to help out in my opinion. Someo
ne completely innocent and in need of help should not have to sacrifice their life because of a strike. The NHS ambulance drivers would understand this themselves, they have a skillset that no ordinary driver can replace such as paramedics. Simply taking an ambulance out to get someone to a hospital is not going to weaken their case. I fully support their cause and understand their strike and am 100% behind them in it. But a blue light patient is not in a positon to understand. If you was in dire need of an ambulance and a member of the public rolled up in an ambulance to take you there, would you look up at him and call him a scab and refuse to get in?
The trouble is anyone with a heart attack who calls for an ambulance is waiting ten hours even when they arnt on strike. The strike is to ensure a service worth having.
The tories want to defund public services so they are all so bad that people say “its not worth having” and they can privatise more of it - in ten years the service will be two-tiers - if you are rich and have a heart attack you will pay for a private ambulance - the poor will wait 20 hours
JeffA:
The tories want to defund public services so they are all so bad that people say “its not worth having” and they can privatise more of it - in ten years the service will be two-tiers - if you are rich and have a heart attack you will pay for a private ambulance - the poor will wait 20 hours
I think this is the way we are going, will be similar to the USA if the government get their way. Scrap the NHS and privatise it. As it stands at the present, if you are in BUPA or any private health scheme. If you suffer a heart attack or any serious road accident etc, you are better off with NHS care and indeed would be taken into an NHS hospital regardless. Private health is better for getting seen quicker in the least time for run of the mill medical problems and surgery. I am sure this is going to change. As it is very expensive to give critical care and not something that the private sector want.
Altough jobs only to cover holidays sickness and does say your expected to work if they go on strike
If that’s the pay to cross the picket line then no wonder they are striking. I thought drivers hours rules were bad but they are wanting you to knock out a 24 hour shift.
I suppose at least all the ladies will want to polish your helmet and you can rescue stuck ■■■■■.
Between the government and the media the propaganda against the industrial action is a disgrace, can’t believe we have come to this.
JeffA:
The tories want to defund public services so they are all so bad that people say “its not worth having” and they can privatise more of it - in ten years the service will be two-tiers - if you are rich and have a heart attack you will pay for a private ambulance - the poor will wait 20 hours
I think this is the way we are going, will be similar to the USA if the government get their way. Scrap the NHS and privatise it. As it stands at the present, if you are in BUPA or any private health scheme. If you suffer a heart attack or any serious road accident etc, you are better off with NHS care and indeed would be taken into an NHS hospital regardless. Private health is better for getting seen quicker in the least time for run of the mill medical problems and surgery. I am sure this is going to change. As it is very expensive to give critical care and not something that the private sector want.
If something goes wrong in a private hospital boy are you in trouble. You’ll be shunted off to the NHS once they have noticed something is amiss. Try to hold them to account? whey, hey, hey. “It wasn’t us a corporation, Euoh It wasn’t me, It weren’t me gov, nor me, nor me, nor me”.
