Agency's not fourth coming

Maybe just me but I’m finding it very frustrating gaining information on the job you enquire about. For example pallet delivery- excellent so what’s the rate?

Oh I’m not sure?!?!
Hours? Oh it’s Monday to Friday. - yes but what’s the hours?
Where is the job actually located?
So who is it your hiring for? We’re tell you at the interview?

Errm im not having an interview if I don’t know where the placement is & all the above.
Is it just me that has these problems with agency? Like trying to blood out a stone & anything to get your registered. I’m pretty sure half the time there is no job as it’s made up. Love to do a pallet gig but when it comes to the leeches they really do wanna ■■■■ the life out of you it would seem.

Sorry for the moan but blimey! Is it just me or do you guys get it as Well?

They want to interview you to make sure that they’re happy sending you to the employer as a driver because your representing them. Also they won’t say some stuff like location or employers name because there is risk you could directly approach employer. Nothing new here.

It is annoying also and I do it just to get you on their books, and when it starts to proceed, they then tell you that “oh dear, there aren’t any more places available, but here try this one instead at a much lower rate”.

Just the other week I saw a nice little Hiab job advertised in my home town
Good money etc so I applied - went along to agent and had to sit their little test on taco and speed limits (which I passed by the way :smiley: ) I was due to start the following day.

Great I’m looking forward to it so where do I have to go. ‘Banisngstoke’ for jewsons the woman replays. I thought she was joking at first but then I realised she wasn’t. It’s 80 miles from my home town and the office. yeah right! I thought so I got my stuff and said politely not to worry as it was way to far to travel

Should have billed them for wasting my time.
Had they said in the first place when I asked I wouldn’t have bothered.
Anything to get you on that book it seems.

I’m glad it’s not just me that have these issues :open_mouth:

You don’t go to an agency to find out job X, as job X doesn’t exist and they are generally just adverting dross or ■■■■ lies! :imp:
And agencies don’t even work like that, so forget replying to an agency add in the hope it will live up to the promise…

Agencies have a variety of clients that the constantly supply to with peaks and troughs in demand.
So by it’s very nature there does exist the possibility of the phone not ringing. :cry:

Of those clients/contracts some may be better than others, and who doesn’t want to be on the better ones?
So should those placings go to you, or the known trustworthy experienced person that represents the firm well and is a safe pair of hands?

What do you think your chances are? :open_mouth:

So you go to an agency and get on their books, ONLY to see what they can offer!
You won’t want job X, trust me! :laughing:

Just accept that the hardest step with agency is the first, as long as second step is in the right direction.
After that if you’ve stepped well, you can even take a step backwards as a filler if you need it.
But only after you’ve built a good reputation, so a major hurdle for Newbies! :cry:
So Newbies should sign up with loads, as this increases your chances of getting a decent rate…

Best of luck people, and Nighthawk mate, that’s the standard agency patter to sign you up deepening their driver pool, thus ensuring they can always meet client needs. Sadly you mean nothing to them, but you have to play along… :neutral_face:

When I renewed my hgv last year, I tried the permanent job route but with the lack of recent experience that got me nowhere. I started to look round the adverts and agency ad’s were popping up all the time with most saying ‘new drivers welcome’ and I applied by sending off cv but heard nothing. After a few weeks, I would see the same ads popping up again… got the idea they are constantly making up imaginary jobs to keep their driver pool topped up.

In the end, I got out on my bike and went in to as many as I could with my licences and a cv in hand and registered in house… once you are actually on their books it makes their life a lot easier in that if a job really does exist and they are short of the regular drivers you’re in with a shout as it’s just a phone call to you rather than a phone call asking you to first go into the agency, fill out all the forms etc. and then book you for the job - a lot of the jobs are short term and short notice.

I’ve registered with as many as I could in my area and some of the more well known ones I’ve not heard from, it’s a couple of less well known ones who put me into my first work and once you get in and do a decent job: i.e: turn up on time, be polite, do the work and don’t hit anything or damage the wagon, you’ll soon get more calls. It can take a while before you get a call but it’s a case of patience.

I must be one of the lucky few that actually got the exact job the agency was advertising.

Again, like others have said, they weren’t forthcoming on some of the the details of it at the start and it took a while to get a date for the driving assessment but it ended up being for DHL/Toyota at Magna Park.

I’ve never trusted agencies (before lorries) I’m looking to change career and will not use them, I fire away cvs and hear nothing at all, lost trust in them to be fair

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They lie
When you apply on indeed to jobs .they are put on indeed reed cv library by one agency yet using 20 diferent names.they wont put your rate in writing unless you force it .they are [zb]
Not to be trusted what so ever.

Agencies are all the bloody same pick you up spit you out,BUT (tin hat on ) how else can you try 5 different types of driving in a week? Wether its tippers,hiab,store delivery etc if they were permanent jobs? You would be stuck till you could swop a permanent job for another then the do I or don’t I move permanent jobs?.
Yes agencies do screw you over but play them at their own game keep trying different jobs till you think “I like this one” talk to the TM ask if they are looking and ask if you can apply for a permanent job.
Might well be temp to perm but at least you know where our going better than waiting for the phone to ring,everyone at some time has done it and its crap beyond belief.

I’m glad it’s not just me.
I really want to get on with class 2 driving (I’ve only class 2) but I feel I’m really limited as I’ve a mortgage & two very young daughters to support. I’m not trying to give a sob story but I just wonder how others do it with family & commitments when there is no stable terms. At least I’ve yet to find it.

I’m not without experience as I’ve worked as a Refueller & done a few months home delivery & HiAb work. I can’t change the world by any means but there should be a law on advertising jobs to lure you in that don’t exist.

All this said I’m glad it’s not just me though. :open_mouth:

Cheers for the responses :smiley:

Daytrunker:
Agencies are all the bloody same pick you up spit you out,BUT (tin hat on ) how else can you try 5 different types of driving in a week? Wether its tippers,hiab,store delivery etc if they were permanent jobs? You would be stuck till you could swop a permanent job for another then the do I or don’t I move permanent jobs?.
Yes agencies do screw you over but play them at their own game keep trying different jobs till you think “I like this one” talk to the TM ask if they are looking and ask if you can apply for a permanent job.
Might well be temp to perm but at least you know where our going better than waiting for the phone to ring,everyone at some time has done it and its crap beyond belief.

Exactly, I got most of my experience through agencies and just now on an ongoing contract. Suits me, can take time off when I want, never pushed, I get paid better than the full time guys. If you play them at the same game it can suit. I have no issues with the companies I go to, if they’re crap I go elsewhere…it’s the actual agencies that are the bad guys here. You gotta be wise to them

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Nighthawk.:
I can’t change the world by any means but there should be a law on advertising jobs to lure you in that don’t exist.

Don’t you dare bring logic into this agency slagging mate! :laughing:

Just get cynical and join Krusty’s club… :grimacing:
(That’s Juddian for the Newbies that don’t know, and I’m a paid up member! :open_mouth:)

Sadly you have to bend over and take it, and in a way you shouldn’t blame the agencies.
It’s the game and not the players that’s at fault…
So blame your governments! :imp:

As daytrucker points out, you can play them at their own game a bit, and even build up trust with the rare one that’s got some grey matter.
But most importantly you get to move around and hopefully impress the real people in power. The Transport Managers!!!

Imagine this; a firm has 6 limpers being supplied by agencies, and next week they need 8. The agencies then all get a chance to sell their next best limper to the client ™ in a hope they’ll get the business, and potentially expand on that. So what exactly goes through the agency goon’s brain at that point? :open_mouth: Well after getting said brain out of waste bin, the goon probably flicks through it’s memory banks and picks a limper. Sound reasonable?

And before I go in to what that means for a Newbie, what if one of the agencies has a trump card that can guarantee them the business? The firm’s TM is going to go with the agency that can give them someone who’s known to the TM and suitably impressed them… So if your agency goon has managed to retrieve a sufficient amount of its cranium contents, they should recognize the importance of these trump cards. If only! :laughing: But the point I’m making is that the agency is not the boss, the firm’s TM calls the shots! So once you’ve impressed them, the agencies power over you is diminished! :smiley: And it’s even better if you can strike up direct contact… :wink:

But that doesn’t help the Newbies who first have to impress the initial barrier, the goon going through the waste bin…
Newbie’s may not have experience or a track record to impress waste basket man (Or woman), but that’s not the only we judge or influence others. Things like attitude, presentation, professionalism, general competency, ability and persistence are just a few. So when you go to sign up with a waste of space, treat it like an interview. And I purposely put persistence at the end of that non exhaustive list, as the goon with nothing between it’s ears is going to get fed up and give you a shot, if you KEEP calling them…

In my analogy of 6 drivers, I might be giving the impression that you’ll get a shot when demand increases, which initially doesn’t sound great to a Newbie, as clearly that’s a very slow turnover. But be happy Newbies, as in my experience that’s not what governs turnover, it’s competency which is often defined by damage. :laughing: I’ve yet to see a Newbie get the boot for being slow, and the tracker not give them away… :unamused: I’ve seen one sacked for not answering his phone all day, and at the other end of the scale an English guy that had already have a couple of incidents, then go all out one day and damage 6 cars in 3 separate accidents. :open_mouth: I understand why the firm didn’t want to give him another day to see if he could improve that tally! :grimacing: I also thought be was a bellend anyway, and that’s the bonus factor in this game, plenty of screwdrivers out there, and maybe a good reason why those are limpers leaving a trail of destruction in their wake. A transient being so I’m told, but DieselDog’s your man on the ‘Greater Damage Limper’ species and its habits… :laughing:

Hopefully from that, Newbies are thinking don’t hit anything.
Be late or behind, but not even later because those accident forms are being a ball ache. I know! :blush:
It can’t be denied that accidents, or ‘a safe pair of hands’ is what governs a limpers Aldi bag rating. :grimacing:
It isn’t the be all though, as TM’s know that accidents and bumps are part of the job, so if you’re presented yourself well, you might get a second chance on the other leg. I’m stressing the hell out of Newbies not rushing in the hope they’re start out expecting to initially always be late, or behind the schedule. As it’s experience that tells the rest of us that rushing, taking your eye off the ball, or just being plain lazy is what costs you…

Fire and forget is what all employers are looking for, they want to think of a driver:
“I’ll forget him and check in with the normal muppet crew, that particular driver will call me if there is anything I need to know.”

A Newbie is bound to be watched like a hawk by the office when they first start a limp, and as long as that Newbie can do the job, avoid playing bumper cars, and communicate effectively with the office. The office will probably stop checking in after a while and let them get on with it. Clearly there are specifics to each job, and with pallets there are generally collections in the afternoon. So if you are struggling as a Newbie, you should be telling the office this, as that way the office can strike you off the list in regards to the collections plan. The office may not like this, but it’s better they get the warning and plan accordingly, and playing your Newbie Card saying you want to be safe and do it right, should cut the mustard with them in your Newbie infancy…

And don’t fear Newbies, there will still be plenty of mistakes without you rushing! :grimacing: Whether they’ll be viewed negatively is down to what they are, how serious, or how frequent. With pallets you could get a reputation of damaged goods, and the forkies having a good laugh every time you pull your curtains, as to start with you’ll need to be restacking your load… :unamused: Clearly this probably comes down to your experience, along with your choices of load security and driving style. And whilst you can have a bit of a crack with the forkies about being a Newbie, the TM is formulating their assessment of you. And I doubt the TM will compensate the damaged good, against you being the first one back. I think they’d prefer you to get back without the damage a little later…

When I was on pallets I knew I could probably do my daily round 30 mins faster if I wanted to. But why? :open_mouth:
We’re mostly paid by the hour as limpers, so we only get paid less by being faster, and faster increases the risks of negative things happening. So it doesn’t even make sense drive aggressively and speed, as you’re increasing your risk of points, fines, and the sack from the TM for being a liability. To start with I was often late back, and instead of that TM moaning about me, he told the agency he liked my commitment to getting the job done. Thankfully I didn’t develop the nickname ‘Sloth’, as I got quicker and before too long I could keep pace with the full timers. And Newbies, that’s as fast as you ever want to get… :wink:

Some days on pallets you might be bringing undelivered drops back, but a Newbie may not know this when they start, and as such feel under pressure to complete the round. The Newbie doesn’t know that workload on pallet delivery erratic, and some days your run sheet may be speculative, the Newbie doesn’t know why the regulars are either laughing with the planner, or calling him a C… :laughing: The regulars though, won’t be feeling the pressure a Newbie probably would, as they are more than happy to bring pallets back and basically tell the TM that workload is unobtainable or unsustainable. The green Newbie could be going like a loon to get it all done, leaving a path of devastation in it’s wake, unaware they are their own worst enemy! :laughing: The TM is thinking you must have driven like a nut, thrown the goods at the customer, and probably maneuvered without as much care as you might, so they’ve got the accident forms on standby for you! :open_mouth:

Does it sound like as a green Newbie, there are many positives to rushing?
Only negatives when trying to impress a TM… :unamused:

Good, as I’ve got a bit of a special reason for all this waffle. A green Newbie just hit my motor maneuvering, and it was very clear he felt under pressure to get through his drops on a schedule. Which considering he was green and currently couldn’t drive for toffee, rushing was the last thing he should be doing… :imp: :imp: :imp:

Rant over, your turn Krusty! :smiley: