agency self employed

If you like turning up for the same job, day in day out for ever then you should be paye. If on the other hand you like variety, freedom and to maximise your earnings the the self employed route might be for you.
As above, your accountant will work miracles to make it appear as if you earn very little so as to minimise your tax liabilities and this could have an adverse effect on mortgage applications and the likes but you will know if you intend to apply for something like that and can work the figures accordingly and totally legally.

Others have pointed out the various things you can and should be doing if you really want to maximise the money and earning potential of your business.

A few pointers:

Its probably wiser to register as a limited company than sole trader. The main benefit is that should it all go pear shaped you personally will not be liable for anything so your house should be safe providing you have not registered it as part of the company assets. A lot of people seem scared of taking this route for whatever reason but it really is nothing to worry about and can be set up online for as little as £25.
Bookkeeping is for accountants so get yourself a local one at the right price. A fair price range should be £200 - £500 per year. A decent accountant will do your company returns as well as your personal tax return for about £350. If you go vat registered then they will charge more but I suggest doing this return yourself as it really is very very easy and costs you nothing to do yourself.

The business and almost everything else can be set up fully online. Most of the bank account can too but you will probably have to call into a local branch with id.

Going vat registered will help improve your earnings by about £100 per week. Take a look at the Flat rate vat scheme. This works, to put it simply, by you charge 20% on all your invoices which is the current rate of vat. You now multiply the total invoice amount plus vat by 9% as this is the allowance for our industry, it rises to 10% after your first year of trading so an example will be:

Invoice amount £1000
Vat £200
Total £1200
Times 9% £108 <<<<<<<<< This is what you pay to the vat man, the remaining £92 of the £200 vat that you originally charged is yours to keep. What I do is save ALL the vat I charge and that pays my accountant fees along with my corporation tax bill in full with change for me to treat myself.

Obviously you offset anything you can against your tax bill so you should be claiming £10 per day meal allowance (depends on shift length) but more than 10 hours down the road and £10 is fine.
Claim for every mile you do in your car, this includes imaginary mileage to drop off timesheets etc. I didn’t say that.

So, you have a bad back caused by the uncomfortable lorry drivers seat? you need a special bed, it’s work related so bang it in the books. Anything that can be attributed to the business can be thrown in. Like all things in life, don’t take the pee.

The basic secret is to do you homework, talk to other self employed drivers. Never discuss rates or else you will rapidly find yourself kicked out of jobs for upsetting the full timers, that or the other self employed men will undercut you. If you are working for less that £10 per hour self employed then you need your head looking at.
If you go with an umbrella company you also need your head looking at because they are fleecing you and you are NOT self employed. SAVE SAVE AND SAVE some more during the good months or you will look a right knob come January to March when it can and probably will go quiet. If you are established then you generally have little to worry about but if you are new to the agency scene or freelance then beware of the quiet periods because they will ruin you if you do not plan and budget for them.

Do not listen to the knocking full timers who only think they know what they are talking about when it comes to self employment, they are irrelevant and should be ignored. They are generally talking about something they know nothing about and never will so like all good workplace gobby gits, give them a wide berth.

There is no reason why you should not be earning in excess of 50k, the only thing stopping you will be the wife because she never sees you.

REMEBER! this might not be for you so don’t go rushing into it without first doing your homework.

Good luck.

Truckulent:
Why are you so fixated on travelling expenses?

…and Food …and Holiday Pay.

Because many drivers have been fooled by this self employed utopia.

I want to make it clear that you can still get a food allowance and a
mileage allowance if you are a PAYE agency driver. Therefore it is
not an exclusive benefit for self employed drivers. And, IN TERMS
OF TAX SAVED that goes into your pocket, the mileage allowance is
worth 9 pence per mile and the food allowance is worth one fifth of
what you spend, usually worth £1 or £2 in your pocket.

Next, the loss of Holiday Pay that is often swept under the carpet by
the self-employed.

John is a PAYE driver for a very well known agency. He works any five
shifts out of seven and receives £145 per shift. John drives a fuel tanker
on station deliveries for most of the time but he occasionally works
refuelling at airports.
(This means that he does not have just one workplace.)

In his holiday year ending 30 June 2013, John had six full weeks of holiday.
He received 28 X £145 = £4060 Holiday Pay. John did work for 46 weeks so
he received the equivalent of £88 every week in Holiday Pay.

My objection is the £1 extra per hour that many, many drivers receive
for going self employed. IT SIMPLY LEAVES THEM OUT OF POCKET.
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I bumped into Chris, my former school mate, work mate and great
advocate of being self employed with Nova, after not seeing him for
almost 18 months.

“Still self-employed Chris?” I enquired,

“Am I ****” replied Chris, “The ******** tax man had me for almost three grand.
I’m on the books for this mob now, hundred quid a shift. **** the self employed.”

“Should have saved your receipts Chris” said I, trying to keep a straight face.
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This topic keeps coming up every week, so this is what I get as an agency driver on PAYE I claim my mileage to work but not to the agency office. I claim 45p per mile which the tax office gives me my tax back on so 9p. It’s a bit like when the government give you an extra £1000 tax allowance you are not £1000 better of only the £200 you have saved in tax.
Could some of the drivers who are earning more from the tax man than they are from work show us the figures because somebody is wrong and if it’s me I need to get a job 200 miles from where I live and earn my fortune.

mac12:
This topic keeps coming up every week, so this is what I get as an
agency driver on PAYE I claim my mileage to work but not to the
agency office. I claim 45p per mile which the tax office gives me
my tax back on so 9p. It’s a bit like when the government give you
an extra £1000 tax allowance you are not £1000 better of only the
£200 you have saved in tax.

Could some of the drivers who are earning more from the tax man
than they are from work show us the figures because somebody is
wrong and if it’s me I need to get a job 200 miles from where I live
and earn my fortune.

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See Herongate - he’ll be a millionaire next week.

You’re correct about mileage being for travel to work and not to the
agency office but my PAYE mate has not been to the agency office for
five years - since he first registered with Pertemps. Apparantly he
does his timesheets electronically and he gets his pay slip electronically.

eTimesheets
ePayslips

Pertemps also have a “special deal” with HMRC whereby Pertemps handle the
claim for mileage and food on your behalf and you don’t have to wait for any
tax rebate - your Tax and National Insurance payment is reduced NEXT FRIDAY.
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Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

tachograph:
Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

Hahaha!

tachograph:
Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

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Certainly not.

I detest Agencies.

They have helped to erode the pay levels in this industry.

However, I consider them to be a necessary evil, particularly
for new drivers. I feel that if they do offer something of benefit
to all HGV Drivers then all HGV Drivers should be made aware it.

It is my understanding that Pertemps have a unique arrangement
with HMRC for Drivers to receive immediate Tax and NI reductions.

If this is not the case then I stand to be corrected but I have now
seen documentary proof that Pertemps do increase take home pay
through a suystem that they call MAP.
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Ryy86:

tachograph:
Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

Hahaha!

I have an assignment with Portaloo for you - so get suckin.
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Dieseldoforme:

Truckulent:
Why are you so fixated on travelling expenses?

…and Food …and Holiday Pay.

Because many drivers have been fooled by this self employed utopia.

I want to make it clear that you can still get a food allowance and a
mileage allowance if you are a PAYE agency driver. Therefore it is
not an exclusive benefit for self employed drivers. And, IN TERMS
OF TAX SAVED that goes into your pocket, the mileage allowance is
worth 9 pence per mile and the food allowance is worth one fifth of
what you spend, usually worth £1 or £2 in your pocket.

Next, the loss of Holiday Pay that is often swept under the carpet by
the self-employed.

John is a PAYE driver for a very well known agency. He works any five
shifts out of seven and receives £145 per shift. John drives a fuel tanker
on station deliveries for most of the time but he occasionally works
refuelling at airports.
(This means that he does not have just one workplace.)

In his holiday year ending 30 June 2013, John had six full weeks of holiday.
He received 28 X £145 = £4060 Holiday Pay. John did work for 46 weeks so
he received the equivalent of £88 every week in Holiday Pay.

My objection is the £1 extra per hour that many, many drivers receive
for going self employed. IT SIMPLY LEAVES THEM OUT OF POCKET.
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You’ve got a bee in your bonnet mate. A lot of drivers that go S/E haven’t a clue what they’re doing and that’s one of the main reasons they can’t make it pay.

Your mate that is no longer self employed clearly didn’t suit self employment and/or didn’t run the business well. For a start I charge a fair bit more than the PAYE drivers get - if your mate was charging just £1 more (where did you get that figure from??) I’m not surprised he couldn’t make it pay. Secondly, you can claim far more if you’re running a business than just travel/food and holiday pay is also covered - if you charge appropriate rates when you’re working.

However, as you’re clearly unable to accept that being self employed can be more profitable than employed, for whatever reason, there is no point in arguing! :laughing:

Dieseldoforme:

Ryy86:

tachograph:
Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

Hahaha!

I have an assignment with Portaloo for you - so get suckin.
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Haha don’t be offended brother keep that blood pressure low

Cheers

Edit.

Just think your on commission from pertemps, you’ve mentioned them like 10 times in as many posts.
If not maybe they could come to some arrangement with you

Edited again.

By the way I’m buying another vehicle on Friday a little 54 plate Clio for £400 … Can I put that on expenses if I change to business insurance?

Thanks

Ryy86:

Dieseldoforme:

Ryy86:

tachograph:
Do you work for Pertemps by any chance ?

I mean in the office not as an agency driver.

Hahaha!

I have an assignment with Portaloo for you - so get suckin.
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Haha don’t be offended brother keep that blood pressure low

Cheers

Edit.

Just think your on commission from pertemps, you’ve mentioned them like 10 times in as many posts.
If not maybe they could come to some arrangement with you

Edited again.

By the way I’m buying another vehicle on Friday a little 54 plate Clio for £400 … Can I put that on expenses if I change to business insurance?

Thanks

YES

BUT

You would need to register it in the company name

Then pay “Company Car Benefit” or whatever it is called… cost a fortune

Then “Commercial Insurance” which again costs a fortune.

If you can get cheap insurance Quote first then a small diesel van would be ideal, no company car benefit.

Just remember everything (Insurance, vehicle) needs to be in the COMPANY NAME and not yours.

trubster:
YES

BUT

You would need to register it in the company name

Then pay “Company Car Benefit” or whatever it is called… cost a fortune

Then “Commercial Insurance” which again costs a fortune.

If you can get cheap insurance Quote first then a small diesel van would be ideal, no company car benefit.

Just remember everything (Insurance, vehicle) needs to be in the COMPANY NAME and not yours.

Cheers for the reply, il need to look up that benefit scheme u mention and see what it entails.
Already use a combi van for my commute but I’m a sucker for buying motors I think are bargains, already have 2 cars in drive sorn, 1 of which I can’t source a N/S front hub carrier for, even all scrappies in my area have bugger all or fleabag last I looked at weekend.

It was just an idea as only went S/E on Monday and wanna claim as much expenses as possible lol.

Ryy86:
You’re on commission from Pertemps.

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Please stop grovelling.

We (I mean they) only give work to proper Drivers.
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Truckulent:
A lot of drivers that go S/E haven’t a clue what they’re doing and
that’s one of the main reasons they can’t make it pay.

Your mate that is no longer self employed clearly didn’t suit self
employment and/or didn’t run the business well. For a start I
charge a fair bit more than the PAYE drivers get - if your mate
was charging just £1 more (where did you get that figure from??)
I’m not surprised he couldn’t make it pay. Secondly, you can claim
far more if you’re running a business than just travel/food and
holiday pay is also covered - if you charge appropriate rates
when you’re working.

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You seem to have jumped onto a bandwagon that just doesn’t exist.

I am ONLY talking about Drivers who choose to go Self Employed
with an Agency. I have never mentioned umbrellas, limited companies
or whatever other tax fiddles are doing the rounds.

ALL Agencies seem to pay £1 per hour extra to Self Employed Drivers.
I have never seen any other figure.

My mate that you mentioned switched from PAYE to S/E after being
talked into it by the Agency that he was with. So were many others.

They were with * * * * but I won’t mention their name. At first they
did not have to produce many food receipts and no one checked the
mileage that they were sticking down.

Suddenly that changed. Mr Tax Man came knocking and the cost was
three grand because “They could not substantiate their claims.”
They did not challenge the HMRC findings so they were very lucky to
escape being fined for fraud.

As I have said before, the extra £1 an hour is widespread and it hardly
even covers the lost holiday pay. There is also the ficticious 45ppm
that is really worth 9 pence and, at the and of the day, a PAYE Agency
Driver can claim exactly the same benefit.

At the top of your comment you said,
“A lot of drivers that go S/E haven’t a clue what they’re doing”
Then you should educate them.

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Dieseldoforme:

Ryy86:
You’re on commission from Pertemps.

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Please stop grovelling.

We (I mean they) only give work to proper Drivers.
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Grovelling hahaha! Poor use of the word you old prick.

Each to their own eh.

I have a friend who has just started working for a well know company(can I name them■■?) on agency,also self employed.
The first thing he told me was he didn’t fully understand how it works !!! and then he told me that the agency take money out of his wage and keep it in THEIR bank account until the end of the tax year,then they give him the money back to pay his tax bill !!!

TTX boy:
I have a friend who has just started working for a well know company(can I name them■■?) on agency,also self employed.
The first thing he told me was he didn’t fully understand how it works !!! and then he told me that the agency take money out of his wage and keep it in THEIR bank account until the end of the tax year,then they give him the money back to pay his tax bill !!!

That sounds like a load of bull ■■■■ and I wouldn’t trust the agency as far as I could throw them.

TTX boy:
I have a friend who has just started working for a well known
company (can I name them ■■?) on agency, also self employed.

The first thing he told me was he didn’t fully understand how it
works !!! and then he told me that the agency take money out
of his wage and keep it in THEIR bank account until the end of
the tax year, then they give him the money back to pay his tax
bill !!!

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Sounds like win win win for the Agency.

Not only does the Agency no longer have to pay him any Holiday
Pay and they no longer have to pay Employers National Insurance
of 13.2%, they now pocket the interest on his money.

When he leaves the Agency I can see him having to fight for his dosh.

I hope he gets more than a quid an hour extra. (For all these privilages)
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Anybody with an ounce of knowledge of recruitment agencies would not be advertising them on a forum or anywhere else for that matter.