It Appears the de Poel are very busy people…
Name & Registered Office:
DE POEL CONSULTING LIMITED
THE OLD SHIPPON
MOSELEY HALL FARM CHELFORD ROAD
KNUTSFORD
CHESHIRE WA16 8RB
Company No. 04272893,
Name & Registered Office:
DE POEL FINANCE LIMITED
THE OLD SHIPPON
MOSELEY HALL FARM CHELFORD ROAD
KNUTSFORD
CHESHIRE WA16 8RB
Company No. 05328146
Name & Registered Office:
DE POEL MANAGED SERVICES LIMITED
THE OLD SHIPPON
MOSELEY HALL FARM CHELFORD ROAD
KNUTSFORD
CHESHIRE WA16 8RB
Company No. 04766716
Name & Registered Office:
DE POEL PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT LIMITED
THE OLD SHIPPON
MOSELEY HALL FARM CHELFORD ROAD
KNUTSFORD
CHESHIRE WA16 8RB
Company No. 04910946
Name & Registered Office:
DE POEL SOFTWARE SOLUTIONS LIMITED
THE OLD SHOPPON MOSELEY HALL
FARM CHELFORD ROAD
KNUTSFORD
CHESHIRE WA16 8RB
Company No. 05283622
As well as holding inputted data…
de Poel have applied for a patent on software to process and analyse agency time sheets… patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journal … 60114.html
Please tell us how this fits in with de Poels claim that the Agencies will be inputting all data??
Micheal Campbell- Director de Poel:
The cost reduction program implemented in the pilot region was very similar to those commonly implemented in other areas of the supply chain.
Would this be the usual method? e.g. imposing capped rates for suppliers, ensuring that only the agencies that pay their staff the lowest rates can reduce their costs in orer to gain the work from TNT?
There is no where on this system where a driver can challenge any of the information placed in it. If a member of staff of an agency decides he doesnt like you he can simply and easily place a "negative answer to the “Employ” question, and any other agency subscribing to the system will have doubts about giving you work… AND YOU HAVE NO MEANS TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION…
As someone with 20 years experience in IT, the first login page of their ADD website doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence especially knowing the kind of usernames and passwords that the agencies are likely to use, i.e WEAK.
Good point
while the log in uses 128 bit SSL even the demo uses only a small number of letters/numbers for a password… unless a large number and random mix of numbers and letters are used even the most basic password cracker will gain access
REC Members’ Code of Good Recruitment Practice 2005
. The express agreement of work seekers must be obtained and documented before a CV or any personal details which might identify the candidate are displayed on any website.
18. No personal details or details which might identify the work seeker, such as name of their current employer or information which might identify the current employer, should be displayed in any open website. Such information may be displayed in password-protected parts of a site, provided work seekers are advised that hirers will have access to such information. If current employers might have such access, the work seekers must be warned and their consent to proceed obtained and documented.
19. Members may not extract CVs from websites for display or submission to hirers without the express agreement of the subject of the CV.
After rereading the letter I recieved from de Poel… its is not only the agency that will get access to your personal details but also the agencies client
Kay Jones- de Poel:
Firstly, it is the responsibility of an agency to inform their workers prior to inputting any data that their details will be entered onto the database. To ensure that this has been adequately communicated to each worker, an automatic letter from de Poel will be sent to all individuals at the point when their details appear within the system.
At least 2 members here work/have worked for TNT via an agency
Can de Poel explain why they have not been told by their agency that their information is held on your database? Why de Poel as not contacted them to tell them their details are held, despite yourself and Sean Gibbins both stating that you do this?
Below is a list of questions that we have gathered so far from your discussion.
Additional questions for which you would like a response can be submitted until 10.00 am Monday the 21st of February.
We will post a questions and answer sheet covering all issues raised on Tuesday the 22nd of February.
· When was the database started?
· Are their any other similar databases on the market?
· What is the charge for data information requests?
· What is the name and contact details of the data protection officer?
· Are drivers informed that their details will be entered on to the system?
· How is permission gained to input an individual’s details on the system?
· What information is stored on the system?
· How is the information protected?
· What safe guards are in place to ensure the information is correct?
· What are the legal obligations to ensure the information is accurate?
· Who is the information shared with?
· What information is shared between agencies and their clients and
agencies and other agencies?
· Would driver information be released to any company who requested it?
· How does de Poel ensure that drivers understand the implications of
their details being placed on the system?
· How do we ensure that the information contain on the system is
compliant with data protection?
· How does de Poel ensure that agency drivers’ details are not released
against their wishes?
· What happens if a driver leaves an agency?
· What would happen is an online job club joins the database?
· Would the agency worker been informed of any such “incidents” placed
on their file?
· What additional information can be added to incidents, do this include if
the driver was blameworthy?
· Would a driver be able to contest incorrectly entered incident information
Questions asked in this thread you seem to have overlooked
At least 2 members here work/have worked for TNT via an agency
Can de Poel explain why they have not been told by their agency that their information is held on your database? Why de Poel as not contacted them to tell them their details are held, despite yourself and Sean Gibbins both stating that you do this?
Micheal Campbell- Director de Poel:
The cost reduction program implemented in the pilot region was very similar to those commonly implemented in other areas of the supply chain.
Would this be the usual method? e.g. imposing capped rates for suppliers, ensuring that only the agencies that pay their staff the lowest rates can reduce their costs in orer to gain the work from TNT?
recruitment and employment confederation most agencys are members of this body. are depoel ?
As well as holding inputted data…
de Poel have applied for a patent on software to process and analyse agency time sheets… patent.gov.uk/tm/tmj/journal … 60114.html
Please tell us how this fits in with de Poels claim that the Agencies will be inputting all data??
will you post a list of all agency s that use your data base.?
I would like to know just how you will be checking the integrity of the data you are/have been compiling?
Will De Poel compensate any agency driver for loss of earning due to the driver being refused work due to incorrect information being held by DePoel?
Will De Poel start a list of disreputable recruitment agencies and directors of the same as a service to the industry?
PURPOSE 4
Consultancy and Advisory Services
Purpose Description:
Giving advice or rendering professional services.The provision of services of an advisory, consultancy or intermediary nature.
Data subjects are:
Customers and Clients
Complainants, correspondents and enquirers
Advisers, consultants and other professional experts
Data classes are:
Personal Details Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
Education and Training Details
Employment Details
Goods or Services Provided Racial or Ethnic Origin
Physical or Mental Health or Condition
Offences (Including Alleged Offences)
Can you please explain how a drivers ethinic origin or family circumstances are in any relevant to an agency or their client?
Would a driver be able to contest incorrectly entered incident information
I would like to add to this question
Would a driver be able to contest incorrectly entered incident information without having to pay the £25 (or £10 or whatever it is when de Poel makes it mind up ) to get the info sent to us
Will de Poel agree to withhold ALL information held on an individual until they have recieved written confirmation from that individual that they have been consulted fully, and made aware of all the implications of their details being held on the database. * The Recruitment and Employment Confederation code of practice for agencies states that employees details must not be divulged without the EXPRESS PERMISSION of the employee, and also should only be divulged as part of the recruitment process… Are the Agencies registered with you members of the REC?
the dti have a hole section on agency conduct
sorry i have to go out ,i havent got time to look my self.
i think wee need to hear the agency side of things ?
weemack:
the dti have a hole section on agency conduct
sorry i have to go out ,i havent got time to look my self.
i think wee need to hear the agency side of things ?
I have spoken to the DTI (Employment Agency Standards Inspectorate ) and am awaiting their response…
also the Recruitment and Employment Confederation are having a word with their lawyers and looking over the code of practice to see what their response is.
Two of the trade magazines are also now following up this issue…
