our fuel tanks are recorded on the vehicle registration document so any change needs to be passed by our equivalent to the MOT this applies i think to most european countries.
as far as milodon says the limit for one tank is 1000ltrs not sure because we’ve just had 2 new dafs and the big one on the drivers side are 1100 so they can fit a 400 on the other side plus the batteries and the adblue tank
Basics are, the driver has comitted a Crinimal offence here, by not declaring fuel bought into Germany. The first letter is from the tax office wanting the extra duty. Because tax evation is a crinimal offence in Germany the Tax office are obliged to report it to the Püplic Prosecution.
The second letter is from the Puplic Prosecution.The PP have droped the charges (strafverfahren eingestellt) because they are under the opion that the driver comitted the offence unintentionly (nicht Vorsätzlich gehandelt) but are warning ,if he is caught again they will not drop the charges and he can be prosecuted
How is the tank fitted? How does it supply the othe tank or engine with fuel ?
Geoff
Just read that they sent the letter on the 14 july, you have got 1 month to appeal against the notifcation,if you dont appeal in this time you have accepted the notification and have to pay
A word of warning, the notification is not just for the driver(verbringer) if it is not paid they will chase DHL express Uk for there money who let the driver bring the fuel into Germany(verbringen ließ)
gbtransp:
Basics are, the driver has comitted a Crinimal offence here, by not declaring fuel bought into Germany. The first letter is from the tax office wanting the extra duty. Because tax evation is a crinimal offence in Germany the Tax office are obliged to report it to the Püplic Prosecution
I thought that law was finished when moses was a lad 
so do we have to do “tankshines” again 
I’m assuming here that the tractor unit belongs to DHL and that yer man is not an OD.
In this case, just hand the whole shooting match over to DHL’s legal department and get them to sort it out.
As a pan global organisation they should know better than to be strapping extra tanks onto trucks without the necessary documentation.
In the meantime DHL should avoid sending the truck to Germany as the prosecutor has stated in his letter that they will prosecute in the future for a repeat offence.
The reg of the truck will be on the police database, so a tug is highly likely.
There is such a thing as Type Approval in the EU. Every truck I have driven over the last 10 years has had this in the documents and it covers everything that was included with the vehicle when it left the factory; including tank sizes, manufacturer and capacity, it even mentions the material it is made from.
Here is the link to vehicle c of c.
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex … 160:EN:PDF
eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex … 21:EN:HTML
It seems in the letters that have been published is only the actual offence of evading duty.
The cause of this appears to be using an unapproved mounted reserve tank carrying 320 litres when the limit is 20 litres in canisters. so it looks like they are classing the extra tank as a large jerry can
I have just spoken to the driver and what he is doing now is to go to Germany on nearly empty tanks then he will only fill up in Germany.
He will keep all his reciepts and we hope that will keep them happy !
gbtransp:
Basics are, the driver has comitted a Crinimal offence here, by not declaring fuel bought into Germany. The first letter is from the tax office wanting the extra duty. Because tax evation is a crinimal offence in Germany the Tax office are obliged to report it to the Püplic Prosecution.
The second letter is from the Puplic Prosecution.The PP have droped the charges (strafverfahren eingestellt) because they are under the opion that the driver comitted the offence unintentionly (nicht Vorsätzlich gehandelt) but are warning ,if he is caught again they will not drop the charges and he can be prosecutedHow is the tank fitted? How does it supply the othe tank or engine with fuel ?
Geoff
Just read that they sent the letter on the 14 july, you have got 1 month to appeal against the notifcation,if you dont appeal in this time you have accepted the notification and have to pay
A word of warning, the notification is not just for the driver(verbringer) if it is not paid they will chase DHL express Uk for there money who let the driver bring the fuel into Germany(verbringen ließ)
Thank you for taking time to respond in a detailed manner, To answer the question the tank is fitted to the nearside of the truck and is gravity fed to the engine . The tanks also have taps underneath to turn either of them off .
jimboy124:
I have just spoken to the driver and what he is doing now is to go to Germany on nearly empty tanks then he will only fill up in Germany.
He will keep all his receipts and we hope that will keep them happy !
@jimboy124 , it does not matter mate they will still do him for having a
non recognised Fuel-tank, GET a letter from DVLA: or the TESTING -OFFICE
to prove that the TANK has been officially tested and has got THE OKAY
over here they do not except tanks that are not stamped and certified,
This means the tank is illegal ,for the Germans,
brit pete:
jimboy124:
I have just spoken to the driver and what he is doing now is to go to Germany on nearly empty tanks then he will only fill up in Germany.
He will keep all his receipts and we hope that will keep them happy !@jimboy124 , it does not matter mate they will still do him for having a
non recognised Fuel-tank, GET a letter from DVLA: or the TESTING -OFFICE
to prove that the TANK has been officially tested and has got THE OKAY
over here they do not except tanks that are not stamped and certified,
This means the tank is illegal ,for the Germans,
Cheers Pete i will get that done tomorrow
. We have 5 vehicles that are all fitted with these tanks and are all due a MOT i. So hopefully the tanks will get the proper paper work and get it type approved or whatever …
welshboyinspain:
as far as milodon says the limit for one tank is 1000ltrs not sure because we’ve just had 2 new dafs and the big one on the drivers side are 1100 so they can fit a 400 on the other side plus the batteries and the adblue tank
I stand corrected, just looked it up and they’ve changed it from the last time I took the ADR course, there is no longer a limit on a single fuel tank, only the 1500l max.
Wheel Nut:
…so it looks like they are classing the extra tank as a large jerry can
…geddit■■? 
Was that pun intentional WN■■?..Very good!!
brit pete:
jimboy124:
I have just spoken to the driver and what he is doing now is to go to Germany on nearly empty tanks then he will only fill up in Germany.
He will keep all his receipts and we hope that will keep them happy !@jimboy124 , it does not matter mate they will still do him for having a
non recognised Fuel-tank, GET a letter from DVLA: or the TESTING -OFFICE
to prove that the TANK has been officially tested and has got THE OKAY
over here they do not except tanks that are not stamped and certified,
This means the tank is illegal ,for the Germans,
Just a thought Pete , The driver has been prosicuted for tax evasion on the amount of fuel that was in the extra tank, now if that tank was empty would he have been fined for having that tank fitted to the truck ?
If what your saying is true surely he would of been fined for that as well ■■
jimboy124:
brit pete:
jimboy124:
I have just spoken to the driver and what he is doing now is to go to Germany on nearly empty tanks then he will only fill up in Germany.
He will keep all his receipts and we hope that will keep them happy !@jimboy124 , it does not matter mate they will still do him for having a
non recognised Fuel-tank, GET a letter from DVLA: or the TESTING -OFFICE
to prove that the TANK has been officially tested and has got THE OKAY
over here they do not except tanks that are not stamped and certified,
This means the tank is illegal ,for the Germans,Just a thought Pete , The driver has been prosicuted for tax evasion on the amount of fuel that was in the extra tank, now if that tank was empty would he have been fined for having that tank fitted to the truck ?
If what your saying is true surely he would of been fined for that as well ■■
iirc a few years ago while I was working as an aftersales manager the law in the EC was changed so that any accesory had to have it’s own type approval, meaning that if it didn’t come of the production line with it the the item fitted required it’s own certificate/approval number, so wether the tank was full or empty without the neccessary type approval cert then it would still be a problem.
We have a Scania on hire at the moment fitted with large tanks on the drivers door pillar next to the tacho certificate is a certificate from SB Components showing the capacity and type approval of the tanks stating they were fitted from new.
mick_n3:
We have a Scania on hire at the moment fitted with large tanks on the drivers door pillar
How do you see out of the window? I know Scania drivers like to hide behind curtains but fuel tanks?
Coffeeholic:
mick_n3:
We have a Scania on hire at the moment fitted with large tanks on the drivers door pillarHow do you see out of the window? I know Scania drivers like to hide behind curtains but fuel tanks?
I know what I meant 
mick_n3:
Coffeeholic:
mick_n3:
We have a Scania on hire at the moment fitted with large tanks on the drivers door pillarHow do you see out of the window? I know Scania drivers like to hide behind curtains but fuel tanks?
I know what I meant
I know what you meant but I wasn’t going to miss the opportunity.
milodon:
welshboyinspain:
as far as milodon says the limit for one tank is 1000ltrs not sure because we’ve just had 2 new dafs and the big one on the drivers side are 1100 so they can fit a 400 on the other side plus the batteries and the adblue tankI stand corrected, just looked it up and they’ve changed it from the last time I took the ADR course, there is no longer a limit on a single fuel tank, only the 1500l max.
Hi milodon,
I think that you might have been misinformed on your last ADR course mate, because I’ve just checked back ADR 2007, 2005, 2003 and 2001.
I can tell you that in ADR, the 1,500 liter limit has not been altered anytime since at least 2001.
It’s still the same in the current ADR 2009.
As jimboy124’s post absolutely proves, other laws also apply at the same time.
I’ve had chance to look at the letters posted by jimboy124, and the first thing I have to do is to apologise to him for my failure (a typo) to spell my own email addy correctly to him in a PM. 
(Sorry Jim. )
I’ve read the letters and I’m in full agreement with gbtransp on what the letters say and the idea of keeping it basic.
IMHO, a full translation of the whole of both letters is unnecessary and would serve no useful purpose.
I’m also in agreement with Inselaffe that the letters should go to DHL’s legal Dept [but I’d add… in Germany.]
(For the purpose of getting a valid legal opinion one way or the other.)
My own comment is that I think it would be the fairest outcome for the company to take this one on the chin, rather than the driver, cos the driver was simply doing his job by following the employer’s instructions.
dieseldave:
My own comment is that I think it would be the fairest outcome for the company to take this one on the chin, rather than the driver, cos the driver was simply doing his job by following the employer’s instructions.
The driver isn’t having to pay the fine, it was never considered for a moment he would have to.
Coffeeholic:
dieseldave:
My own comment is that I think it would be the fairest outcome for the company to take this one on the chin, rather than the driver, cos the driver was simply doing his job by following the employer’s instructions.The driver isn’t having to pay the fine, it was never considered for a moment he would have to.
That’s great news Neil, thanks for sharing it.