Bewick:
Suedehead:
Who hit the lampost though?“H”!!■■
Dont worry Dennis,Suedehead was referring to the bent lampost in your posting of the AEC,mid picture near the BP sign!
David 
Two of Latimer Crow’s Mandators at their Silvertown depot.
Can anyone shed any light on this link ive posted , the AV/H 760 being available between 165 BHP - 265 BHP .I know the AH760 was rated at 165 bhp for coaches (never understood why it was downrated so far) but 265 BHP seems quite high ,is this correct ,with the TL12 rated at 272 BHP?
Graham Edge (Gingerfold) would be the best chap to answer this i think!
LB76:
Graham Edge (Gingerfold) would be the best chap to answer this i think!
Yeah i think so too ,hows the book coming along Bill ?
Slowly mate due to the reasons i touched on last time !
LB76:
Slowly mate due to the reasons i touched on last time !
Ok ,pm me when its complete im looking forward to reading it
Hi ramone.
According to Graham’s Mandator book the AV760 developed 206-226 bhp @ 2,200 rpm - the lower bhp setting was at 2,000 rpm.I can’t find any reference to 265 bhp but if there was one around when I had a Mandator i would have grabbed it !! 
ramone:
Can anyone shed any light on this link ive posted , the AV/H 760 being available between 165 BHP - 265 BHP .I know the AH760 was rated at 165 bhp for coaches (never understood why it was downrated so far) but 265 BHP seems quite high ,is this correct ,with the TL12 rated at 272 BHP?
AEC AV760 and AH760 Diesel Engines.
AEC LORRIES IN THE POST WAR YEARS 1945-1979,Graham Edge,Roundoak-Nynehead.
This above very informative book states the following:-
AH760 160-220 BHP Motorcoaches and Buses.
AV760 180-265 BHP Lorries,Industrial.
I would say that the 265 BHP version of the AV760 was an industrial engine…unless some export AEC Mammoth Majors,Mandators,etc,were fitted with 265 BHP AV760 engines 
…some export AEC’s were fitted with 165 BHP versions of the 11.3 Litre 150 BHP engine.
It was pathetic to fit the AEC Reliance Motorcoach model (and the bus version) with de-rated AH760 165 BHP engines 
,especially when the Volvo B10M Motorcoach model had a 230 BHP engine 
VALKYRIE
VALKYRIE:
ramone:
Can anyone shed any light on this link ive posted , the AV/H 760 being available between 165 BHP - 265 BHP .I know the AH760 was rated at 165 bhp for coaches (never understood why it was downrated so far) but 265 BHP seems quite high ,is this correct ,with the TL12 rated at 272 BHP?AEC AV760 and AH760 Diesel Engines.
AEC LORRIES IN THE POST WAR YEARS 1945-1979,Graham Edge,Roundoak-Nynehead.
This above very informative book states the following:-
AH760 160-220 BHP Motorcoaches and Buses.AV760 180-265 BHP Lorries,Industrial.
I would say that the 265 BHP version of the AV760 was an industrial engine…unless some export AEC Mammoth Majors,Mandators,etc,were fitted with 265 BHP AV760 engines
Litre 150 BHP engine.
It was pathetic to fit the AEC Reliance Motorcoach model (and the bus version) with de-rated AH760 160 BHP engines
VALKYRIE
Maybe they kept the AH760 at 165 bhp to sell more Leopards
The lowest power setting of 165 bhp for the AV760 was also used in the Marshal Major 6-wheeler. This was the old imperial rating, add 9% to the figure for the metric equivalent.
ramone:
VALKYRIE:
ramone:
Can anyone shed any light on this link ive posted , the AV/H 760 being available between 165 BHP - 265 BHP .I know the AH760 was rated at 165 bhp for coaches (never understood why it was downrated so far) but 265 BHP seems quite high ,is this correct ,with the TL12 rated at 272 BHP?AEC AV760 and AH760 Diesel Engines.
AEC LORRIES IN THE POST WAR YEARS 1945-1979,Graham Edge,Roundoak-Nynehead.
This above very informative book states the following:-
AH760 160-220 BHP Motorcoaches and Buses.AV760 180-265 BHP Lorries,Industrial.
I would say that the 265 BHP version of the AV760 was an industrial engine…unless some export AEC Mammoth Majors,Mandators,etc,were fitted with 265 BHP AV760 engines
Litre 150 BHP engine.
It was pathetic to fit the AEC Reliance Motorcoach model (and the bus version) with de-rated AH760 165 BHP engines
VALKYRIE
Maybe they kept the AH760 at 165 bhp to sell more Leopards
Hello Ramone.Re the Leyland Leopard Motorcoach and Bus models,the Leyland 680 engine was also de-rated at 175 BHP - so that wasn’t much to write home about as well
The final Leopards were built from 1981 to 1983,and these had up-rated 680 185 BHP engines - still not much to write home about
Meanwhile,in 1981,Leyland introduced the Tiger Motorcoach and Bus models,powered by a Leyland TL11
218 BHP engine. But more powerful versions of the Tiger were built later on
VALKYRIE
VALKYRIE:
ramone:
VALKYRIE:
ramone:
Can anyone shed any light on this link ive posted , the AV/H 760 being available between 165 BHP - 265 BHP .I know the AH760 was rated at 165 bhp for coaches (never understood why it was downrated so far) but 265 BHP seems quite high ,is this correct ,with the TL12 rated at 272 BHP?AEC AV760 and AH760 Diesel Engines.
AEC LORRIES IN THE POST WAR YEARS 1945-1979,Graham Edge,Roundoak-Nynehead.
This above very informative book states the following:-
AH760 160-220 BHP Motorcoaches and Buses.AV760 180-265 BHP Lorries,Industrial.
I would say that the 265 BHP version of the AV760 was an industrial engine…unless some export AEC Mammoth Majors,Mandators,etc,were fitted with 265 BHP AV760 engines
Litre 150 BHP engine.
It was pathetic to fit the AEC Reliance Motorcoach model (and the bus version) with de-rated AH760 165 BHP engines
VALKYRIE
Maybe they kept the AH760 at 165 bhp to sell more Leopards
Hello Ramone.Re the Leyland Leopard Motorcoach and Bus models,the Leyland 680 engine was also de-rated at 175 BHP - so that wasn’t much to write home about as well
The final Leopards were built from 1981 to 1983,and these had up-rated 680 185 BHP engines - still not much to write home about
I wonder why they never put the TL12 in the Reliance the V8 was fitted to the SabreMeanwhile,in 1981,Leyland introduced the Tiger Motorcoach and Bus models,powered by a Leyland TL11
218 BHP engine. But more powerful versions of the Tiger were built later onVALKYRIE
AEC
Ramone wrote:“I wonder why they never put the TL12 in the Reliance the V8 was fitted to the Sabre.”
British Leyland’s Truck & Bus Division were suffering from a lack of money to invest in new models,due to
the miguided management’s attempts to try and rescue the Morris Austin Car Division! - a large
part of the car division was a dead loss!
To my knowledge no horizontal version of the TL12 was ever developed and produced - the TL11H engine,yes,but no TL12H engine…the money just wasn’t there.
The AEC Sabre Motorcoach could have been a great success if it’s AEC V8 engine had been fully developed.
An AEC TL12H 280 BHP engined AEC Reliance Motorcoach would have been a real road rocket! and a
worldbeater,and would have given the Volvo B10M a run for it’s money!
VALKYRIE
hiya…saying all that which i agree with…did,nt Volvo buy the leyland bus division.
so the leyland was doomed from then onwards.
John
AEC
3300John:
hiya…saying all that which i agree with…did,nt Volvo buy the leyland bus division.
so the leyland was doomed from then onwards.
John
Yes,that’s right. By 1986 the former British Leyland Truck & Bus Division had become Leyland Vehicles,
and since British Government policy was to sell off the still state owned BL Ltd,re-named the Rover Group,
in various parts to the private sector,there was a management buy-out of the Leyland motorcoach and
bus part of Leyland Vehicles.
From some time in 1986 up to March 1988,Leyland Bus was an independent company but,alas,the management could not make the company pay due to certain factors,such as bus industry de-regulation and the selling off of all the parts of the National Bus Company,all of which caused a big fall in sales of new buses.
So the Volvo Bus Corporation took over Leyland Bus in March 1988 on the request of Leyland Bus management.
Volvo tried to make a go of turning Leyland Bus in to a successful enterprise,and to some degree they succeeded.But,on the other hand,they had to drop several Leyland motorcoach and bus models,close
some Leyland factories,etc. The former Leyland National factory at Workington was closed and became a
Eddie Stobart lorry depot.
The Leyland marque name was dropped from motorcoaches and buses in 1994,and the sole surving Leyland
bus model,the Olympian Double Decker Bus and Motorcoach,was re-vamped and re-named the Volvo
Olympian.
VALKYRIE
3300John:
hiya…saying all that which i agree with…did,nt Volvo buy the leyland bus division.
so the leyland was doomed from then onwards.
John
I think they bought it to close down John. A way of removing the opposition,wasnt there a management buyout of Leyland bus before Volvo were involved?
gingerfold:
Nice line-up of Mammoth Major Mk.III at Sugden’s flour mill, Brighouse
I used to take loads of Barley into Sugdens in the 70s What a pain in the arse that was , The w/bridge was too small for artics which meant dropping the trailer then tipping out of the grain hatch into a thimble sized hole, Regards Larry.
All the information i have ever read suggested the AH760in the reliance coach
was the 205 rating,most driver rated them,both in manual and semi auto
versions,as being good performers
Hello all
A little anecdote for you. For a short while I was a fitter at Burroughes of Bressingham. A fellow mechanic was a bloke who one Saturday on arrival told everybody that he was going to a party that day and that a lady would be there who he fancied, so no way would he stay after noon.
He worked like a lunatic and finished a service on a Mandator about 11-45, washed his hands and went tearing up the yard and parked her up and ran back to the garage to clock out. Now David Chapman who was Foreman was a bit of a joker had primed us and when Rodger dashed back into the garage David handed him a drivers request - a pink form asking for a minor job to be done over and above said service. With much bad language Rodger snatched it out of his hand and galloped back up the hill to the lorry park. We heard the unit come tearing back down the drive and the sound of the brakes a clump then the motor crept past the door with the cab tilted and Rodger sparko over the wheel heading towards Eric Burroughes’s indoor swimming pool or the weighbridge office or the transport office or across the Diss road and the houses the other side. I managed to catch it up and throwing myself over the bonnet cranked the handbrake on. Needless to say that in his haste he’d forgotten to wind in the two cab locks after the service. If that motor had come down the drive with a loaded trailer…
Rodger attended the party rather late wearing a turban and when he came back to work he spent the first part of the day in the office explaining his actions and the rest of the day listening to us merciless lot. Oh did he pull ? My arse did he!! Jim