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scud:

LB76:
You should have come and said hello i can eat anytime! it is not going anywhere fast mate i have hit a block and cant get anyone to help out

Hello Bill, is your book on fridge freight? By the way i,m writing a book on wool haulage it,s not as easy as people think but if i can be of any help let me know ,it seems to me that you have plenty of progress then things come to a stop but soon as something or someone else turns up of you go again,thats how it,s going on my project anyway. Cheers.

I hope you have a few unseen Longs pics in it Scud

LB76:
That looks to be quite a long wheelbase.

Yes it was 10ft 4in wheelbase ,originally there were six of these motors all in knock down kit form they were cancelled export order for rhodesia in 1966, they were built on the 12in chassis just like the 8 wheelers but only with two axles so thats why they cut down into tractors.The longer wheelbase allowed for two 45 gollon fuel tanks to be fit on the near side,the other thing with them was that being originally a 4x2 ridgid they were higher geared ,this one would do70mph without any bother.Usually they were loaded heavy as can be seen in the photo but because of the biger chassis they never looked loaded like the standard units.They were assembled at tillotson,s in burnley at the same time the astran aec was being alltered .Tillotson seemed to get a lot of one off jobs at the time.Our other mandator was a standard 8ft 2in wheelbase.

Hiya…intresting. the fast adams mk5 units was somthing to do with Rhodesia…always know to us as the rhodesian
rejects and also suplied by tillotsons.iam not sure about the chassis lenght which looks verey good as some was stupidly short.
i also think Adams cut down some new 8 leggers and made units out of them. that was before i worked their.
John

It’s suprising how fast these MKV’s were, mine would easily do 70 on the flat, took some time to wind her up when loaded but she still went like that brown stuff off a shovel.

LB76:
It’s suprising how fast these MKV’s were, mine would easily do 70 on the flat, took some time to wind her up when loaded but she still went like that brown stuff off a shovel.

Ha ha dont tell my dad that ,10 years of a mkv top whack 38 mph lol

Found this Dutch site: buzzybeeforum.nl/viewtopic.php?f … 4&start=30
On it was this:

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Is that a van Eck cab? Looks a bit more modern than the Mk5 one.

Its an Ateliers Bollekens cab from Belgium on the Mammoth Major Six Mk V chassis with the AEC type grille missing. They also put the cab on Mandators. Graham Edge describes these cabs in his book AEC lorries in the post war years. Franky.

Frankydobo:
Its an Ateliers Bollekens cab from Belgium on the Mammoth Major Six Mk V chassis with the AEC type grille missing. They also put the cab on Mandators. Graham Edge describes these cabs in his book AEC lorries in the post war years. Franky.

Hi Franky. These are Bollekens ones:
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I reckon the one I posted above bears a resemblance to the van Eck cabs on the Vabis LV75. I wonder how they compared to the Park Royal cab, from the driver’s seat?
Here’s a later, rather awkward remodelling of the Ergo cab, or rather, an Ergo front panel on the front of a coachbuilt cab. The site I got it from reckons this is by Bollekens:

Lovely old Mammoth-Minor chinese-6!

ZB Anorak wrote, I reckon the one I posted above bears a resemblance to the van Eck cabs on the Vabis LV75. I wonder how they compared to the Park Royal cab, from the driver’s seat?

Yeah, on second looks although the roof shape is similar to the Bollekins the rest of the cab isn’t so much, unless it was an earlier version, interesting that AEC had so many different cab styles built locally in the different countries it sold the chassis to and have to say some looked quite roomy and stylish for the time. Franky.

Frankydobo:
ZB Anorak wrote, I reckon the one I posted above bears a resemblance to the van Eck cabs on the Vabis LV75. I wonder how they compared to the Park Royal cab, from the driver’s seat?

Yeah, on second looks although the roof shape is similar to the Bollekins the rest of the cab isn’t so much, unless it was an earlier version, interesting that AEC had so many different cab styles built locally in the different countries it sold the chassis to and have to say some looked quite roomy and stylish for the time. Franky.

Hello again Franky. Yes, in the 1950s and '60s, those manufacturers who did not have a fancy cab were well catered-for by the coachbuilders. There were dozens of them, all building weird and wonderful cabs on different chassis. Judging by the account given by the drivers in the Astran book, the Park Royal cab was a bit of a dog, so it is not surprising that these firms got the business. To AEC’s credit, those Continental customers must have liked something about the London-built chassis, to go to the trouble of importing them, when there were alternatives produced local to them.

Hiya… AEC built the 11,3 litre engine which was quite a lump in the late 50,s. that engine become the 11.3… AV 760
engine that was to run at 34 tons in the mammoth minor.the 9.6 litre(volvo f88 capacity) was the little engine.i know
the pump makes some difference but theirs still some grunt.
i see you said the park royal cab was a dog…ummmm i would have said it was the cream of the crop in the 60,s park
royal had a good name, many others was worse…AEC made the scuttle /floor /mudguards and part of the back panel,
it was how other companies grafted the top of the cab onto the base the was the problem.my RTS cab is all glass fibre,
The glass fibre top is just riveted where it comes in contact with the steel base.
John

Evening all, having spent a fair bit of time in and around Belgium, its domestic commercial vehicle and haulage scene, not to mention Cycle racing, Beer, Accordian and Organ music, frites and mayonaisse, I have a real love of the country, its people, but not its climate!!

AEC, and Maudslays importer was Ets Spitals SA, based at Deurne, Antwerpen. Spitals were also the importer/concessionaire for Berliet. In 1960, to "seperate the marques AECs portion of Spitals business was renamed AEC Continental SA.

Although the majority of chassis cabs were “cabbed” by Bollekens, Duffel. Other examples were fitted with cabs by Jonkheere, and Van Hool. In the main office reception of the brewer Van Roy, at Wieze was a photograph of some of their Bollekens cabbed AECs. The haulier Pirson, based at Gembloux had photographs of a handsome Mk 111 Mandator, fitted with a sleeper cab by Van Hool that ran up untill the early 70s. AEC were popular buys for the Brewers, Lamott from Mechelen also ran quite a few, but again with Bolleken cabs.

Spitals modified the UK chassis cabs to suit the Belgian market by replacing the AEC axle with a 13tonne rated, US manufactured, Timkin axle, hence the name for the Belgian Mandator, the “Super” Mandator! I remember seeing a Van Hool cabbed Super Mandator operated by Longevin et Cie, still running in 1974. The Mercury, (in Belgium the Monarch), received the same axle “transplant”, and became a very popular 6x2 conversion base. Lots of these lorries were still about into the early 80s, a testement to their quality, (and ability to suffer abuse)!!

The Belgian market place was one of the most “open” in Europe, and the world and his wife sold their products there. That with such available choice that the Belgian operator chose AEC shows how good was the product. The Tractor Dealer from whom I have just purchased my new John Deere has in one of his sheds his late fathers “Super Mandator”, (Bollekens cab), and many happy tails to tell of her! There is still a great deal of nostalgia for AEC in Belgian transport circles.

When I used to visit Saviems Swiss Concessionaire, Nubag AG, I once remarked at the number of B Series ERFs that we used to see . Only to be told that it was lucky that Leyland made a mess of the strong ties between Southall, and their Swiss AEC Importer, Emil Frey AG,of Zurich, because otherwise there would have been even more AECs than ERFs, so well did they perform in Switzerland!!!

In France the strong ties developing between AEC and Willeme, where all the heavy range became AEC powered, and there was real potential to develop the synergy between the companys, perhaps even for joint manufacture, but cut short as both marques lacked financial liquidity. The death knell was the Leyland takeover of AEC, and the phasing out of the AEC power units, although Willeme marketed the BMC lighter range as Willeme in France, and had quite some success with them as well.

Sad is it not, an eminently acceptable product, in a market, (Europe), that yet again we failed to realise its potential. Leyland do not seem to come out of this well, they bought, then killed off Brossel in Belgium, and lost market share, made a complete “cod” of the tie up with Hotchkiss in France, (only ever having success many years later with the Rolls Powered Roadtrain in the 80s under Leyland France), which of course was killed off for their own ends by dear old DAF. And it would seem failed to recognise the potential of AECs products, both lorry and Bus on the World stage. Its driven me to drink, I shall away to the Bollinger, Cheerio for now.

3300John:

Bassman:
Hi John

Thanks for that , if I get to a show I will see if any owner of an Ergo will take pity on me and let an old anorak experience the moment. I might even visit the annual AEC event which I think they rotate between Nottingham and Newark. Do you eventually get weaned off deisel fumes?

Cheers Bassman

Hiya…i would,nt think so… if you go to the AEC event i have a pal with the driving school V8 (neil) he,ll take you a drive,
I,ll get a message to him as time gets closer…he also has a mecury fire tender with a 505 in her.
John

And very nice it is too – the lack of intrusive engine in the cab makes all the difference


And would that be the extreme top end of a Fuller gearbox protruding into the cab?

daibootsy:
ROSSER,PONTLLIW

Most of Rosser’s seemed to be in this condition when still working! All credit to the chaps who kept them running. And who managed to get them through the test.

Retired Old ■■■■:
And would that be the extreme top end of a Fuller gearbox protruding into the cab?

Yes - it’s fitted with a Fuller -

Were fire service personnel trained up on Fuller boxes or did they make it up as they went along? All the engines around our way seemed to be Commers, Bedfords, etc. fitted with the usual synchromesh transmissions.
That was in the old days, of course, before the advent of auto boxes for public servants and other wimps who couldn’t change gear!

Only joking!

Honest!

Retired Old ■■■■:
Were fire service personnel trained up on Fuller boxes or did they make it up as they went along? All the engines around our way seemed to be Commers, Bedfords, etc. fitted with the usual synchromesh transmissions.
That was in the old days, of course, before the advent of auto boxes for public servants and other wimps who couldn’t change gear!

Only joking!

Honest!

Yes – mind you though - these Constant mesh boxes - they are just for wimps too – surely changing cogs by undoing the chain drive is the “proper” way…

LOL!!! :smiley: