Dazza:
gardun:
Dazza:
You might as well be howling at the moon you utter moron.End of argument -not wasting my time with that sort of thinking.
You ending the argument when you compared ■■■■ with breaking speed limits.
Not sure what your “sort of thinking” is.
I agree that you can’t compare speeding with ■■■■ but I don’t think that was meant as a serious analogy, more of an extreme example to make a point 
Or am I now being self righteous 
Here we go…Im a tipper driver and paid a percentage of what the wagon earns. I used to use my wife’s licence for my car points and my licence for my wagon points! 
No more. Im fed up of sending off my licence and paying for the privilege. Just the vision of the boys in blue sitting eating their packed lunch whilst high-fiving every time a lorry is flashed is enough to make me ease off with the right foot. It saves diesel, saves me money and if i can’t tip in the time i have left i don’t tip.You aint ever gonna win with all your gadgets and excuses so stick to the limit or be prepared to pay lads. OK…im ready for all your rants!! 
The irony of a tipper driver lecturing us all on keeping our speed down hasn’t been lost on me. 
not all tipper drivers go like zb at thecost of peoples lifes & mayhem, i like my licence im planning on keeping it , i abide by the law to the latter if thats not good enough for an employer then its tough … im a profesional driver i dont flout the law. stereo typing is just naive… 
Were you just as professional when you were using your wife’s licence to avoid getting penalty points on your own?
I was simply pointing out the irony in someone who had used someone else’s licence telling others not to speed.
P.S. Stereo typing. Does that mean using two hands? 
Dazza:
Stereo typing. Does that mean using two hands?
Dazza:
Were you just as professional when you were using your wife’s licence to avoid getting penalty points on your own?I was simply pointing out the irony in someone who had used someone else’s licence telling others not to speed.
P.S. Stereo typing. Does that mean using two hands?
Seems there is a bit of a debate going on…
Many thanks to those who have responded giving advice on the question that I asked. I am sure that with your advice and a bit or research I can find something suitable for my needs.
To those perfect people who enjoy moralising about speeding etc thanks also but I can do without it - I know that I am not perfect.
Governor!:
I have a Snooper Evolution which i used for 6 months before getting a Garmin. The snooper picks up most cameras, just have a read up on the snooper website, you pay £4.99 per month for updates, going to put the snooper on ebay nxt week For £40 if your interested PM me
Thanks for the offer Governer, I’ve had a look at it on their webite but I’m going to some more research before I decide what to buy.
Simon71:
Seems there is a bit of a debate going on…Many thanks to those who have responded giving advice on the question that I asked.
I do sincerely apologise for going off topic - that is my fault entirely as I started it - SORRY Simon 
I’m sorry too - in answer to your question, without moralising, I got mine from specsavers. Honest.
Bit of a difference between outright speeding and a few mph over the limit which half the cameras are set at!
4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it? Increase to a few mph to 10, 20, 30 mph over then yes, theres high risks of serious injury if in collision.
Lets face it, cameras dont prevent the real causes of accidents, bad driving
ajt:
Bit of a difference between outright speeding and a few mph over the limit which half the cameras are set at!4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it? Increase to a few mph to 10, 20, 30 mph over then yes, theres high risks of serious injury if in collision.
Lets face it, cameras dont prevent the real causes of accidents, bad driving
Our Advanced driving examiners (ex police traffic) have a saying -
“There is SPEEDING and there is speeding’”
They mean almost the same as what you said -
To err slighly over the limit, notice it quickly and then do something about it is technically speeding but not SPEEDING.
To go over the limit and not notice it quickly or notice it and do nothing about it is SPEEDING.
To deliberately go over the limit is SPEEDING & ‘NOT VERY CLEVER’
ROG:
ajt:
Bit of a difference between outright speeding and a few mph over the limit which half the cameras are set at!4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it? Increase to a few mph to 10, 20, 30 mph over then yes, theres high risks of serious injury if in collision.
Lets face it, cameras dont prevent the real causes of accidents, bad driving
Our Advanced driving examiners (ex police traffic) have a saying -
“There is SPEEDING and there is speeding’”
They mean almost the same as what you said -
To err slighly over the limit, notice it quickly and then do something about it is technically speeding but not SPEEDING.
To go over the limit and not notice it quickly or notice it and do nothing about it is SPEEDING.To deliberately go over the limit is SPEEDING & ‘NOT VERY CLEVER’
would that stand up in court 
DRIVER -“Here’s my defence your honour from TNUK - i was speeding but not really speeding if you catch my drift”
JUDGE "Very well,i believe you thousands wouldn’t, your free to go drive just make sure you dont really speed in future 
"
pecjam23:
would that stand up in court
Would never be taken there - they are talking about say, being in a 30 limit and drifting 2 or 3 mph over, immediately realising it and doing something about it - say 3 seconds approx all told 
Simon71:
ROG:
Simon71:
I seem to be getting nobbled by mobile speed cameras too often for my liking,Why
I find it difficult keeping to 30mph, I’m not a boy racer - it’s usually 36 - 38 mph but twice in 10 months isn’t not good. So that’s why I need a bit of help.
I can understand someone pushing it on a bit along an A road when the speed limit is so ridiculously low but you aren’t talking about that, you’re talking about driving in excess of 30mph in a place where even car drivers have to drive at 30mph, just NO EXCUSE. Don’t you ever watch the safety ads on TV, the facts speak for themselves, if you hit someone at 30mph they are much more likely to survive than if you hit them at 35 to 40mph. You seem to expect people to understand your desperate need to exceed the speed limit by around 30%. Will you still be doing 36-38 when they drop the limit to 20 or will you do everybody a favour and keep it down to about 28-29 then ■■?
I speak as someone who has paid the financial cost of speeding and got the 3 points, fortunately no one else has had to pay the price for my speeding but if you keep on at that speed in 30 zones then someone else may well have to pay the price for your speeding.
All those people who are sticking up for pushing the speed on a bit please remember we are talking about a 30mph limit nothing else.
ajt:
‘…4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it?..’
I’m sure that since there is a difference within the dynamic of a 4 mph latitude that in some cases that it may have been a difference: Is this is an occasion to suggest ‘never say never’?
Alternatively, if it doesn’t ‘make a difference’ why not play the line of being sociable and resist doing it - after all, has it curtailed anyone’s life right now to any negatively or otherwise tangible degree other than the individual(s) being embittered with loss of pride, financially relieved of a few bob & loaded a bit through their insurance excess…?
Is it really worth gambling with individual or the mutually societal quality of life for a piddly few extra seconds gain in ETA?
WillyGofar:
All those people who are sticking up for pushing the speed on a bit please remember we are talking about a 30mph limit nothing else.
You might be talking about that Willy mate, but the rest of us are having a frank discussion about speeding and speed detection devices and that goes for Simon who started the subject
Happy Keith:
ajt:
‘…4 mph or so over is never going to be the difference between life and death is it?..’I’m sure that since there is a difference within the dynamic of a 4 mph latitude that in some cases that it may have been a difference: Is this is an occasion to suggest ‘never say never’?
Alternatively, if it doesn’t ‘make a difference’ why not play the line of being sociable and resist doing it - after all, has it curtailed anyone’s life right now to any negatively or otherwise tangible degree other than the individual(s) being embittered with loss of pride, financially relieved of a few bob & loaded a bit through their insurance excess…?
Is it really worth gambling with individual or the mutually societal quality of life for a piddly few extra seconds gain in ETA?
A few mph means nothing in the real world when you also add into the pot:
Concentration levels / reaction times, the differences between vehicle loads, vehicles brakes as in stopping distances, wear rates on braking component parts,ie their efficientsy, tyre tred depths etc etc which all play a huge part in the overall outcome to a accident and preventing a accident thus why a few mph over means bugger all in the final outcome of a event.
ajt:
A few mph means nothing in the real world when you also add into the pot:Concentration levels / reaction times, the differences between vehicle loads, vehicles brakes as in stopping distances, wear rates on braking component parts,ie their efficientsy, tyre tred depths etc etc which all play a huge part in the overall outcome to a accident and preventing a accident thus why a few mph over means bugger all in the final outcome of a event.
Reverse thinking -
From what you descibe as having an effect then surely to reduced that effect it would be up to the driver to control what they could - ie the speed 
Dazza:
WillyGofar:
All those people who are sticking up for pushing the speed on a bit please remember we are talking about a 30mph limit nothing else.You might be talking about that Willy mate, but the rest of us are having a frank discussion about speeding and speed detection devices and that goes for Simon who started the subject
In his follow up to the original post Simon wrote, " I find it difficult keeping to 30mph, I’m not a boy racer - it’s usually 36 - 38 mph but twice in 10 months isn’t not good. So that’s why I need a bit of help. "
Sounds to me as if anyone talking about anything other than this has gone off topic somewhat.