Lucy, don’t forget that Rog is the big IAM.
Those who can, do.
Those who can’t…….Call themselves Rog and pontificate about the rules and regs.
Lucy:
In the real world? Time pressure, traffic pressure, pressure to make a delivery before the customer shuts, pressure to get home before your time runs out, pressure to make it to somewhere safe to park, all sorts of things which could distract you for long enough that you allow your speed to creep up slightly, and where an audible reminder of the proximity of a camera would help you to stay focussed and legal.You really have completely forgotten what it’s like to drive for a living, haven’t you Rog?
None of what you mentioned means anything to me or any other good driver who focusses on the task in hand.
It’s a question of priority, concentration as well as self discipline.
Plan journey - Start from A and don’t think of anything except driving safely to B - arrive at B and then worry about everything else as you cannot do anything about everything else whilst driving.
The time from A to B will be the same no matter what other pressures a driver decides to put upon themselves so doing it is pointless.
That is the way I have done it throughout the whole of my career as a LGV & car driver - maybe I’m lucky in being able to concentrate on the driving task and put the other issues on the back burner whilst doing so…
At risk of being slightly bitchy here, for which apologise in advance, maybe that’s why you’re on the dole because of one small back problem which has never appeared cause you any bother when I’ve seen you in action in person, whilst I’m working fulltime with full bore SPMS. I don’t claim to be perfect, and don’t expect to be. Meanwhile, the taxpayer is footing the bill for your obsession and lack of ability to focus on more than one thing at once. .
I’m sorry ROG, but there comes a point where I can only listen to/ read so much sanctimonious preaching in one day. And this day ain’t it.
(Shuffling off now. 
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Ignore me ROG. I’m having a bad pain day and being a total arse. Not your fault, and I shouldn’t take it out on you.
Will stay off this thread now, before I make any more of a ■■■ of myself.
Lucy:
Ignore me ROG. I’m having a bad pain day and being a total arse. Not your fault, and I shouldn’t take it out on you.Will stay off this thread now, before I make any more of a ■■■ of myself.
Go on - take it out on me if it helps - I don’t mind - HONEST 
I don’t think some on here think it’s you Lucy - they prefer to enjoy having a pop at me which is ok 
For any professional driver to say that they cannot keep an eye on their speed because they are worried about getting somewhere on time etc does seem a poor excuse…
Stragely enough, the authorities see it that way as well…
Driving correctly and in the right frame of mind seems not to come so easy for some…
Now you folks that feel the need to can have yet another pop - oh, go on, you know you want to 
Disclaimer -
A certain amount of personal attack will be accepted but please remember that these forums get read by non members…
Rog, dont get me wrong I have a lot of time for you and your wealth of knowledge, I know how intense the IAM course is etc.
BUT
There is a vast difference between the IAM and a real day on real roads, and to keep concentration levels up to IAM standards for 10 hours is hard, bloody hard as you should know…
The bulk of us are human, doing a job to the best of our ability, we think, we daydream, we pass the time yelling obcenities at Jeramy Vine, eyeing up the mini skirt in the peugeot… Some of us (Except the perfect new breeds) drift our speed, I know it scandalous, but there you go…
Just cos someone asks about a speed detector, does not mean he a depressed Jenson Button wannabe…
ROG:
Lucy:
The level of instruction is irrelevant, ROG. They have nothing else to think about other than getting it right. Which is about as far from commercial pressures as it gets.Please explain what commercial pressure would stop a driver from driving correctly
Whilst i am very anti speeding, there are plenty of things that can stop you from driving correctly. When i take off from a delivery i don’t always do it like it shows on a training video, i don’t sit there make sure my seat is correctly adjusted and i can see out my mirrors text book style. Often i am rushed off the premises along the lines of “your loaded up now drive, you have to get out straight away we have people waiting to come in and load”. There’ll be either no parking outside or maybe a side street with no stopping. In the meantime, i have a run sheet to enter details onto, a PDA to fill in and i’m looking at my digitach to see where i’m up to driving time wise etc. Whilst i’m coming out the premises i often see signs saying 'beware fork trucks", “beware pedestrians” etc… I’ve never yet seen a sign saying beware HGV’s moving about keep clear. Driving along roads, looking for signs, making split descisions if i can go or not. I’ll bet there not many who have not had a map or a to z on their lap or steering wheel at one point? I’ve had numerous driving assesments and passed all with flying colours. Usual comment they say is a bad habit of driving with my hand on the gear stick. I’ll be buggered if i could keep that level of concentration up all day every day though. There are lots of things against us that can make it difficult to drive text book style all day every day.
Lucy:
The level of instruction is irrelevant, ROG. They have nothing else to think about other than getting it right. Which is about as far from commercial pressures as it gets.
WRONG! I do both. Primarily - this crap about looking at the speedo instead of the road is rubbish. As a so called professional we should be capable of maintaining pretty close to the posted speed limit, be it car or truck withoput having to look at the speedo every 2 seconds. Can’t manage that? Try driving at the speed limit for a week or so; you’ll soon get the hang. I’m not claiming to be an angel, but I can see no excuse for speeding other than a total disrespect for the law. End of. I don’t give a monkey’s about commercial pressures - the law is the law. Will you drive 30 mins over your hours because of commercial pressures?? How far will you go?? 10mins? 30■■ 45■■ Shorten your break to 40 mins■■? So what’s the difference between that and exceedingf the legal speed LIMIT■■?
Sorry - like I said, I’m no angel, but there is only one reason the break the law. As a professional, there is no excuse; do the crime and pay the fine.
Yawn… The self righteous are getting boring now…
So you never look at the speedo, and you are bang on or just under the limit all the time, you have NEVER accidently slipped over…
Yeah right…
I would recommend dropping down the gears to hold yourself back which is a great idea when you want to go forward.That way its easier to conform to the law.
Why do people assume that you would only disregard the speed limit accidentally ?
and why do people assume that to break the speed limit is unprofessional or unsafe ?
There are many roads where the speed limit for trucks is unnecessarily low.
So you never look at the speedo, and you are bang on or just under the limit all the time, you have NEVER accidently slipped over…
Very rarely - if I go over it is deliberate. It has happened and I admit it is wrong. I don’t try to make out it is justifiable.
There are many roads where the speed limit for trucks is unnecessarily low.
I quite agree. And the tacho regs are crap - so we should all ignore them. Tyre tread - who needs it. Personal belongings - theft laws are unreasonable. Where do you want to stop?? Complete anarchy or just on the roads. ■■■■ should be legal?? Bet that won’t be popular. Nor should it, but nobody will be called self righteous for suggesting we stick to the current law on that one.
Who wants to select which rules we ignore or draw the new lines? Or shall we stick to the current ones and act like the professionals we claim to be ■■
gardun:
There are many roads where the speed limit for trucks is unnecessarily low.
I quite agree. And the tacho regs are crap - so we should all ignore them. Tyre tread - who needs it. Personal belongings - theft laws are unreasonable. Where do you want to stop?? Complete anarchy or just on the roads. ■■■■ should be legal?? Bet that won’t be popular. Nor should it, but nobody will be called self righteous for suggesting we stick to the current law on that one.
Who wants to select which rules we ignore or draw the new lines? Or shall we stick to the current ones and act like the professionals we claim to be ■■
I haven’t said anyone is self righteous and wouldn’t call anyone self righteous for sticking to the limits, we all have choices to make and I fail to see why anyone should be put down for not sticking religiously to the speed limits where it’s safe to be a bit flexible, if someone wants a devise to help him avoid any more speeding tickets why shouldn’t he ask for advise without the risk of being berated for not complying strictly with the law.
The fact is that there are roads where the speed limit is unnecessarily low, commercial driving isn’t just about driving the vehicle and to suggest that whilst driving you should think of nothing else but the driving is being unrealistic, many of us have schedules to meet and sometimes need to make up time, what’s so unprofessional about wanting to do a good job … that’s the whole job not just the driving part.
Sorry tachograph - forgot to credit the quotes. Coddy used the words “self righteous”.
I agree with most of your comments, but object to the assumption that we can ignore rules as we choose.
Here we go, Gardun rides to Rog’s rescue.
Another big IAM spouting claptrap.
gardun:
Where do you want to stop?? Complete anarchy or just on the roads. ■■■■ should be legal?? Bet that won’t be popular
Gardun, you must realise that when you equate ■■■■ with breaking the speed limit then your argument falls down immediately.
You might as well be howling at the moon you utter moron.
I do think there is something slightly insidious about this clique of drivers who appear to have no sense of proportion and rationality when it comes to minor infringements. You know the ones, the “Law is the law brigade”
A few years ago, the same mob was arguing that the driver who wouldn’t give up his fire extinguisher to save a driver who burnt to death in a RTA was acting “within the law”.
It’s worth remembering that around 2001 the government started painting speed cameras yellow and they now list their locations, so it appears that they have a little more tolerance then the army of smug and pompous IAM preachers on Trucknet.
I use the word self righteous on here because (And maybe its just the 2d image of typing) the way people post in a manner that they are so pure, so right, so damm perfect…
Even the best of em make mistakes, be it going over the speedlimit, get the best of the best on here and go with em for a week, and you will find faults…
At the end of the day, we are all lorry drivers, professional, yeah that went out of the window a long time ago according to the general public, have the transport bosses dont have a clue about the real world, the industry is almost on the floor. So back to the lorry drivers, its a menial job, much as some of you like to think you are the top of the tree, its a job that most people can now do with basic training…
As for looking at the speedo or not, poster admitted he sometimes creeps over, but very rarely needs to look at speedo, answer there surely is to look at speedo…
Dazza:
Here we go, Gardun rides to Rog’s rescue.
Oh… I don’t think I need to be rescued 
Coddy:
Even the best of em make mistakes, be it going over the speedlimit, get the best of the best on here and go with em for a week, and you will find faults…
Never a more true statement made
The same statement is made by all the post DSA test driving organisations.
I have a Snooper Evolution which i used for 6 months before getting a Garmin. The snooper picks up most cameras, just have a read up on the snooper website, you pay £4.99 per month for updates, going to put the snooper on ebay nxt week For £40 if your interested PM me
Dazza:
You might as well be howling at the moon you utter moron.
End of argument -not wasting my time with that sort of thinking.
gardun:
Dazza:
You might as well be howling at the moon you utter moron.End of argument -not wasting my time with that sort of thinking.
You ended the argument when you compared ■■■■ with breaking speed limits.
Not sure what your “sort of thinking” is. 