Very basic ADR question here.
I am not an ADR man, never held ADR or done any kind of ADR training.
I have been offered work through the winter delivering heating fuel (of both the oil and propane kinds) but obviously I can’t do it without my ADR.
So my question is this, what bits of ADR do I need to do, how many days will it take, roughly how much will it cost and what will it potentially give me towards my DCPC?
TIA,
Paul
repton:
Very basic ADR question here.I am not an ADR man, never held ADR or done any kind of ADR training.
I have been offered work through the winter delivering heating fuel (of both the oil and propane kinds) but obviously I can’t do it without my ADR.
So my question is this, what bits of ADR do I need to do, how many days will it take, roughly how much will it cost and what will it potentially give me towards my DCPC?
TIA,
Paul
Classes (ADR)
Class 1 Explosive substances and articles
Class 2 Gases
Class 3 Flammable liquids
Class 4.1 Flammable solids, self-reactive substances and solid desensitised explosives
Class 4.2 Substances liable to spontaneous combustions
Class 4.3 Substances which, in contact with water, emit flammable gases
Class 5.1 Oxidising substances
Class 5.2 Organic Peroxides
Class 6.1 Toxic substances
Class 6.2 Infectious substances
Class 7 Radioactive material
Class 8 Corrosive substances
Class 9 Miscellaneous dangerous substances and articles
these are the classes the cost can be as much as £700 in some case novadata do one for
repton:
Very basic ADR question here.I am not an ADR man, never held ADR or done any kind of ADR training.
I have been offered work through the winter delivering heating fuel (of both the oil and propane kinds) but obviously I can’t do it without my ADR.
So my question is this, what bits of ADR do I need to do, how many days will it take, roughly how much will it cost and what will it potentially give me towards my DCPC?
TIA,
Paul
Paul,
I’m guessing that you’re talking of heating oil in drums/IBCs and the propane in gas cylinders??
If so, drums, IBCs and gas cylinders all count as packages, so the minimum ADR ticket that you need is called:
Core, Packages and UN Classes 2 & 3.
I’m afraid to say that this combination of modules is likely to knock a serious hole in four days, if your chosen ADR provider follows the ‘normal’ timetable.
Again depending on how it’s timetabled, you could get either 7 or 14hrs DCPC, but only if the provider has set up their DCPC offering in a certain way, otherwise it’s possible there’ll be nil DCPC hours.
The exam marking fees for the above will be £80 (NO VAT.)
You’ll take four multiple choice exams in total as follows:
Each exam is treated as a separate entity and you’ll need a score of 70% in each exam to gain a pass.
If you want the dcpc hours then my suggestion would be to do the complete ADR 3.5 day course
That way many more future ADR jobs will be within your grasp - and you get 21 hours dcpc providing the course is dcpc approved
dieseldave:
I’m guessing that you’re talking of heating oil in drums/IBCs and the propane in gas cylinders??
Nope, I realised after I had posted this that I had not yet made public the fact that for various reasons I am packing in as an O/D and going back to being a self employed relief driver as I was before I had the truck.
The work is as a self employed relief driver driving 4 and 6 wheeler rigid tankers.
Paul
With that info would you also need ADR tanks and if yes then perhaps try and find a full 5 day dcpc approved ADR course which also has the tanks module approved so it can count for 28 hours dcpc 
I have heard of some 5.5 day courses which not only include the above but also have another 7 hours onto it in 2 x 3.5 hour sessions which may be for tacho regs and perhaps customer service or similar - they count for the full 35 hours and from what I’ve heard they start on a monday morning and finish the following saturday lunchtime
So something like this would potentially be suitable:
melmerbytraining.co.uk/adr_training.php
That includes classes 2 and 3, and tanks, which if I’m understanding right is the minimum I would need to deliver heating oil and propane in tankers. Obviously it also includes lots I wouldn’t need but it never does any harm to have more qualifications. They also say they qualify for DCPC but not how much. I already have 1 day so if they managed to get 4 days worth out of it that would be me sorted for 5 years. Even if it was only 3 it would be nice to only have 1 day left to do.
Paul
repton:
So something like this would potentially be suitable:melmerbytraining.co.uk/adr_training.php
That includes classes 2 and 3, and tanks, which if I’m understanding right is the minimum I would need to deliver heating oil and propane in tankers. Obviously it also includes lots I wouldn’t need but it never does any harm to have more qualifications. They also say they qualify for DCPC but not how much. I already have 1 day so if they managed to get 4 days worth out of it that would be me sorted for 5 years. Even if it was only 3 it would be nice to only have 1 day left to do.
Paul
Their course is approved for 21 hours for the 3.5 days but the extra 1 day tanks module is not approved for another 7 hours
ROG:
repton:
So something like this would potentially be suitable:melmerbytraining.co.uk/adr_training.php
That includes classes 2 and 3, and tanks, which if I’m understanding right is the minimum I would need to deliver heating oil and propane in tankers. Obviously it also includes lots I wouldn’t need but it never does any harm to have more qualifications. They also say they qualify for DCPC but not how much. I already have 1 day so if they managed to get 4 days worth out of it that would be me sorted for 5 years. Even if it was only 3 it would be nice to only have 1 day left to do.
Paul
Their course is approved for 21 hours for the 3.5 days but the extra 1 day tanks module is not approved for another 7 hours
ROG,
Just out of interest, how did you find out that their tanker course isn’t approved for DCPC?
repton:
dieseldave:
I’m guessing that you’re talking of heating oil in drums/IBCs and the propane in gas cylinders??Nope, I realised after I had posted this that I had not yet made public the fact that for various reasons I am packing in as an O/D and going back to being a self employed relief driver as I was before I had the truck.
The work is as a self employed relief driver driving 4 and 6 wheeler rigid tankers.
Paul
Hi Paul,
The shortest cheapest way to get just what you need is now:
Now I tend to agree with ROG, because you’ll most probably need to attend on five days to get just what you need, so it’s just as well and only slightly more expensive to do the whole shebang.
If you take the option to do the whole lot, then there are two possible exam routes, but please be aware of the difference…
Core, packages, tanks and seven Classes by the traditional route
= 10 exams @ £20 marking fee apiece = £200.00 (no VAT on exam marking fees)
Core, packages, tanks and seven Classes by the common characteristics route
= 6 exams @ £20 marking fee apiece = £120.00 (no VAT on exam marking fees)
This is the provider’s choice, so it might pay you to ask which exam route they use, because obtaining the same ADR licence is £80 dearer at some providers. Just to be clear, this isn’t any provider having a laugh at your expense, the £20 marking fee is set by SQA and is per exam paper submitted.
dieseldave:
ROG,Just out of interest, how did you find out that their tanker course isn’t approved for DCPC?
Easy - I asked them 
Paul, in light of the circumstances, would you not be better going for the whole package plus tankers, you can still put it down as a business expense and you have it for 5 years. There is work with packaged fertiliser, liquid fert and plastics all around you.
The reason you have given it up can wait for another time, but at least you have tried and had some good experiences.
ROG:
dieseldave:
ROG,Just out of interest, how did you find out that their tanker course isn’t approved for DCPC?Easy - I asked them
Blimey ROG, can I take it that the known universe has been turned on its head and you’re off to do an ADR course?
If so, I’d advise that you could save some money by leaving out the tanker module because there aren’t that many ADR tanker driving jobs around Leicester.
dieseldave:
ROG:
dieseldave:
ROG,Just out of interest, how did you find out that their tanker course isn’t approved for DCPC?Easy - I asked them
If so, I’d advise that you could save some money by leaving out the tanker module because there aren’t that many ADR tanker driving jobs around Leicester.
TANKS a lot for that advice 
Wheel Nut:
Paul, in light of the circumstances, would you not be better going for the whole package plus tankers, you can still put it down as a business expense and you have it for 5 years. There is work with packaged fertiliser, liquid fert and plastics all around you.
Yeah, I’ll probably do one of the 5 day jobs like I linked above that gives me packages and tanks and most of the various classes. Gives me another string to my bow as there are loads of fuel suppliers round here given it’s a rural area so lots of villages without mains gas, as well as other stuff as you say where ADR could be handy.
Paul
Well the conclusion of this thread is that I’m off to Melmerby Training w/c 17th December to do a 5 day course that includes tanks and will give me 3 days DCPC.
Total cost including the exam fees, DCPC upload fees and VAT is £476.25.
Paul
repton:
Total cost including the exam fees, DCPC upload fees and VAT is £476.25.
For what you’re getting, that’s a very good price indeed. 
dieseldave:
repton:
Total cost including the exam fees, DCPC upload fees and VAT is £476.25.For what you’re getting, that’s a very good price indeed.
Aye, it’s the cheapest of the places I rung up, but I didn’t go there based on price alone, it is just that they were the only ones I could get a place on this side of the new year. T-I-R in Beverley would have been just short of 600quid all in (although that would have got me an extra DCPC day so probably worth the extra) but they didn’t have a course available until mid January.
Hopefully the low price won’t be reflected in the quality of the training.
Paul
repton:
dieseldave:
repton:
Total cost including the exam fees, DCPC upload fees and VAT is £476.25.For what you’re getting, that’s a very good price indeed.
Aye, it’s the cheapest of the places I rung up, but I didn’t go there based on price alone, it is just that they were the only ones I could get a place on this side of the new year. T-I-R in Beverley would have been just short of 600quid all in (although that would have got me an extra DCPC day so probably worth the extra) but they didn’t have a course available until mid January.
Hopefully the low price won’t be reflected in the quality of the training.
Paul
Hi Paul,
I’ve never had any dealings with Melmerby Training, so I’ve no idea of their quality, but in the unlikely event that you get stuck with any part of the course… I’m here for you.
Good luck!!