Just a quick one.
ADR Do i require to have a lockable steel storage box on my vehicle by Law for the spill kit?
When I took my ADR I never heard of it, it was only my DGSA (he only just passed it) wanted me to have it on my vehicle.
I have everything ADR asks me to carry. so is it true?
The box he tried to give me is one of those van safe boxes well its just sat in the yard now
I don’t believe there is anything that says your ADR kit must be in a locked storage box. 
Why would it? What good is it if you cannot get to it?
Most ADR kit is carried in a holdall to keep it clean.
A fire extinguisher under lock and key is probably illegal.
The only secure box I am aware of is the box that you would keep unused labels in. The one that says “Not in Use”
That is my opinion. Diesel Dave will be along shortly with the crossed T’s and dotted I’s 
Thats the box what a waste of money eh
Think you need a new DGSA!
Im on my third ADR Licence and I’ve always been told its got to be accessable, after all its no good having a spill kit if somthing nasty is about to enter the water course and ur busy fumbling with a padlock key
The only thing i can think of is that he’s confused with the idea that it is suggested that the kit should be in a locker that can be opened from outside the cabso it is easly accessable.
somthing like:-
I’ve not got ADR but I’m going to have a guess - dieseldave will be here soon 
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I reckon it would be like the carrying of a fire extinguisher in such cases where one is legally required - outside the vehicle in a safe secured place, protected from the elements but easily accessable by anyone who needs it and, in the case of a fire extinguisher, have an up to date check date on it…
… now to get me bulletproof suit on … 
hiya mate see picture below
red box held fire extinguisher, grey box above hold spill kit, both were secured with a split pin so it was easy to open. metal box held the couplings and the rest of my adr gear was in a holdall in the cab. looking at your picture it looks like your boss has put the adr gear in a daft place, by the time youve opened up the curtains to get into it. should ideally be in a box attached to he chassis imho…pete
i thought you had to have the kit in the cab… i did when on boxes, it was all in a holdall under the bunk.
if i did have an accident and anything under the rules of adr splilled out of the box i was advised to put my kit on before i got out of the cab then move upwind and either help anybody upwind or run like hell. i was told those down wind to leave
1, cos you will be putting yourself in danger.
2, it would proberly to late to help then.
that was from my adr course.
One thing I did learn, was that if even if the load wasnt hazardous, if you had a spillage put on a green suit and respirator, it certainly keeps the interfering grockles from getting under your feet
Im not joking with ADR, but there are some funny stories around 
jessicas dad:
i thought you had to have the kit in the cab… i did when on boxes, it was all in a holdall under the bunk.if i did have an accident and anything under the rules of adr splilled out of the box i was advised to put my kit on before i got out of the cab then move upwind and either help anybody upwind or run like hell. i was told those down wind to leave
1, cos you will be putting yourself in danger.
2, it would proberly to late to help then.
that was from my adr course.
Yeah your PPE should be easly at hand, but the question as asked about the spill kit, which can be outside the cab.
Oh and just a quick one, tin hat on, are you sure you have ur upwind and downwind the right way around??
K.Adams:
Just a quick one.ADR Do i require to have a lockable steel storage box on my vehicle by Law for the spill kit?
HI mate, the easy answer to this is “NO.”
K.Adams:
When I took my ADR I never heard of it, it was only my DGSA (he only just passed it) wanted me to have it on my vehicle.
Ahhh. The exuberence of a shiny new ticket…
K.Adams:
I have everything ADR asks me to carry. so is it true?
ADR demands that you carry various equipment, but the exact list depends upon the substance(s) to be carried.
As an example, you’ll need to carry the following equipment once you have exceeded the threshold limit for the substance in question:
A. A wheel chock
B. Two self-standing warning signs (which can be cones OR triangles OR flashing amber lights.)
C. A hi-viz vest or warning clothing (to Standard EN471) for each person on board the vehicle
D. A pocket lamp for each person on board the vehicle
Additionally: A respiratory protective device (if required by ADR chapter 3.2) AND any other special equipment as required by consulting your Instructions In Writing (Tremcard) for the substance(s) to be carried.
So how do we know this?
The requirement is set out in the UK Regs [CDG 2007 Reg. 63(5)(a) and (b)] and ADR 8.1.5
Above, I’ve set out the requirements and provided the legal quote to back-up my assertion, so now I’d say it’s all very well this guy saying that you need a lockable steel box to be carried IN the truck, but he’s going to struggle to come up with a legal quote that says that you must carry one in the way that he suggests.
Speaking as a DGSA, I should explain that the way that DGSAs work now says that I must wait for him to show the legal source for what he says, OR simply wait for him to own-up that he’s got it wrong.
Speaking as an ADR instructor, I agree with you that the idea of a lockable steel box for this purpose isn’t mentioned in the ADR course.
If you really don’t want to have to carry this box, please ask him to give you a quote that says you must, then post it on here and I’ll have a look.
It would be very unhealthy for us to hold our breath whilst we wait for him to provide a proper legal quote.
K.Adams:
The box he tried to give me is one of those van safe boxes well its just sat in the yard now
IMHO, that’s a good move mate. 
To be fair to this guy, I can see that his intent was to get all your kit into one place where it would be free from damage / theft, but there are far better ways of achieving this as suggested, and shown by the pics put up by others contributing to this post.
Everybody who’s posted so far has pointed out that the equipment “must be accessible” ---- but now for the strange part…
It’s not actually a requirement for the equipment to be accessible, but it IS a requirement for the fire-extinguishers. (ADR 2007 8.1.4.5)
Clearly, many firms have adopted a commonsense approach to this and made the equipment accessible and placed it in external boxes, which is OK.
Equally, carrying the equipment (but NOT the larger of the fire-extinguishers) in the cab is also OK.
The smaller (2kg) fire-extinguisher CAN be in the cab, but must still be accessible.
From your original post, I’ve no way of knowing whether your DGSA had intended you to carry both your fire-extinguishers in the metal box as in your pic, which would be illegal, so it wouldn’t be fair of me to point a finger at him for that at this stage.
bigsib:
jessicas dad:
i thought you had to have the kit in the cab… i did when on boxes, it was all in a holdall under the bunk.if i did have an accident and anything under the rules of adr splilled out of the box i was advised to put my kit on before i got out of the cab then move upwind and either help anybody upwind or run like hell. i was told those down wind to leave
1, cos you will be putting yourself in danger.
2, it would proberly to late to help then.
that was from my adr course.
Yeah your PPE should be easly at hand, but the question as asked about the spill kit, which can be outside the cab.
Hi bigsib, Yes mate, the spill kit can be inside or outside.
bigsib:
Oh and just a quick one, tin hat on, are you sure you have ur upwind and downwind the right way around??
jessicas dad has it right.
Even your tin hat won’t help if you’re downwind of an incident.
ROG:
I reckon it would be like the carrying of a fire extinguisher in such cases where one is legally required - outside the vehicle in a safe secured place, protected from the elements but easily accessable by anyone who needs it and, in the case of a fire extinguisher, have an up to date check date on it…
Hi ROG, I’ve covered the requirements for fire-extinguishers in the first post of THIS TOPIC, WITH PICS 
ROG:
… now to get me bulletproof suit on …
NO NEED MATE!! The only thing is that you can’t lock the fir-extinguisher boxes, so for a non-ADR holder, IMHO you’ve done pretty well.
Wheel Nut:
I don’t believe there is anything that says your ADR kit must be in a locked storage box.Why would it? What good is it if you cannot get to it?
Most ADR kit is carried in a holdall to keep it clean.
A fire extinguisher under lock and key is probably illegal.
The only secure box I am aware of is the box that you would keep unused labels in. The one that says “Not in Use”
That is my opinion. Diesel Dave will be along shortly with the crossed T’s and dotted I’s
Well Mr Wheel Nut what can I say except IMHO you’re quite right on all counts.
Methinks it’s time you went and re-took your DGSA exams.
The next DGSA exams are on 18/09/08. Go for it mate
dieseldave:
Wheel Nut:
I don’t believe there is anything that says your ADR kit must be in a locked storage box.Why would it? What good is it if you cannot get to it?
Most ADR kit is carried in a holdall to keep it clean.
A fire extinguisher under lock and key is probably illegal.
The only secure box I am aware of is the box that you would keep unused labels in. The one that says “Not in Use”
That is my opinion. Diesel Dave will be along shortly with the crossed T’s and dotted I’s
Well Mr Wheel Nut what can I say except IMHO you’re quite right on all counts.
Methinks it’s time you went and re-took your DGSA exams.
The next DGSA exams are on 18/09/08. Go for it mate
It is certainly interesting and I do like to second guess your answers. I am not sure whether I can afford the updated literature at the moment.
But I do wish I had continued with it. I take the orange book to bed with me and have quite a lot of old information in my head. That is the problem getting old info mixed with the newer simplified regs though.
I will do a few searches.
dieseldave:
jessicas dad:
i was told those down wind to leavebigsib:
Oh and just a quick one, tin hat on, are you sure you have ur upwind and downwind the right way around??jessicas dad has it right.
Even your tin hat won’t help if you’re downwind of an incident.
Sorry I should really put my glasses on before posting, lol. I thought that Jessicas dad meant ask those down wind to leave, but he was correct in saying leave them alone :oops: oh proves I’m only human.
Wheel Nut:
It is certainly interesting and I do like to second guess your answers. I am not sure whether I can afford the updated literature at the moment.But I do wish I had continued with it.
Hi Malc, Check your PMs mate.
It appears that your wish has been granted…
Thanks everyone for the info you all have answered me question and in depth from Diesel Dave.
I knew I was right
bigsib:
Oh and just a quick one, tin hat on, are you sure you have ur upwind and downwind the right way around??
proberly its been a few years since i last adr in fact i threw my adr licence through the shredder as it was hindering me.