I just thought I would share this to make people in that area aware.
I used to work for an Essex outfit, so I know a few people in that area, one of who sent me this.
youtu.be/napI6z0w9Bw
The local paper on it
echo-news.co.uk/news/234497 … ly-murray/
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laugh
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laugh
Does the paper say anything at all in any way opposing what the Facebook post says?
The paper gives a phone number and incident reference if anyone has information.
Franglais:
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laughDoes the paper say anything at all in any way opposing what the Facebook post says?
The paper gives a phone number and incident reference if anyone has information.
Yeh, it does actually:
"He then claimed the others in the car, who all allegedly sounded eastern European, got out and went over to his grandchildren.
His daughter’s partner noticed this and shouted at the children to run.
Mr Murray said: “They were going to kidnap my grandchildren.”
but the police then state:
“It was reported a door of the car opened but it wasn’t reported to us that anyone got out."
which means either the reporting complaints were lying (No reason for them to be doing so…) , or the police have decided to cover it up, and downplay the entire incident for political correctness purposes… “Tea and Biscuits” anyone?
It must be nice to have the status “Most favoured At-Large Criminals” eh?
How else do you explain two directly contradictory statements on the same page in the same article FFS?
Use of the world “Claimed” also suggests the police are not taking the complainants seriously - Right?
I also suspect that a full numberplate was given to the police, but that information has been surpressed, perhaps because the perps in question were actually “Ukainians” who, in law - cannot do any wrong at this moment in time.
C’mon Man! - If the car was parked up long enough to count the number of people getting out of it - then SOMEONE got that registration!
No way have all the key bits of “Intel” required to make an arrest - “not been given to the police” when a complaint has already been made.
The Police - simply don’t want to take action against this particular group of perps. Another “Crime Number” and “No Action Taken”.
If the Perp had been Tommy Robinson though, who may have caused offence by swearing within earshot of delicate ears nearby, - then no doubt SO19 would have been called out - right away! 
Winseer:
Franglais:
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laughDoes the paper say anything at all in any way opposing what the Facebook post says?
The paper gives a phone number and incident reference if anyone has information.Yeh, it does actually:
"He then claimed the others in the car, who all allegedly sounded eastern European, got out and went over to his grandchildren.
His daughter’s partner noticed this and shouted at the children to run.
Mr Murray said: “They were going to kidnap my grandchildren.”
but the police then state:
“It was reported a door of the car opened but it wasn’t reported to us that anyone got out."
which means either the reporting complaints were lying (No reason for them to be doing so…) , or the police have decided to cover it up, and downplay the entire incident for political correctness purposes… “Tea and Biscuits” anyone?
It must be nice to have the status “Most favoured At-Large Criminals” eh?How else do you explain two directly contradictory statements on the same page in the same article FFS?
Use of the world “Claimed” also suggests the police are not taking the complainants seriously - Right?
I also suspect that a full numberplate was given to the police, but that information has been surpressed, perhaps because the perps in question were actually “Ukainians” who, in law - cannot do any wrong at this moment in time.
C’mon Man! - If the car was parked up long enough to count the number of people getting out of it - then SOMEONE got that registration!
No way have all the key bits of “Intel” required to make an arrest - “not been given to the police” when a complaint has already been made.
The Police - simply don’t want to take action against this particular group of perps. Another “Crime Number” and “No Action Taken”.If the Perp had been Tommy Robinson though, who may have caused offence by swearing within earshot of delicate ears nearby, - then no doubt SO19 would have been called out - right away!
Fair comment, that I didn`t notice the difference in what was reported on F/B and what the Police say was reported to them.
Given there are no, that I can see, reports directly from those there at the time, that seems to be second and third hand info getting distorted.
The Police are a waste of space .
In the event in my locality that I pointed out in the other thread, where a couple of ‘‘refugees’’ tried to abduct a little girl in Asda, her young Mam phoned the Police, (who did surprisingly actually turn up 
)
The Asda security man backed her account up,.a couple of witnesses backed her up…(one of which actually prevented things from going further)., and when these 2 scrotes ran off,.an old guy tracked them down in his car,. reporting them going into their plush hotel, he too backed up the story to the Police.
Their reaction…no crime has been actually committed, but we will follow it up.
Never heard anything else.
That could have been one of my little granddaughters ffs, I really wish I had been there that day…, or even If a couple of the local ‘faces’ had been in there doing their weekly shop, …instant justice. 
A few weeks earlier the same Police threatened to arrest a group doing a you tube report on immigrants staying in another local hotel…they turned up in MINUTES btw,.after a phone call from hotel security.
Franglais:
Winseer:
Franglais:
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laughDoes the paper say anything at all in any way opposing what the Facebook post says?
The paper gives a phone number and incident reference if anyone has information.Yeh, it does actually:
"He then claimed the others in the car, who all allegedly sounded eastern European, got out and went over to his grandchildren.
His daughter’s partner noticed this and shouted at the children to run.
Mr Murray said: “They were going to kidnap my grandchildren.”
but the police then state:
“It was reported a door of the car opened but it wasn’t reported to us that anyone got out."
which means either the reporting complaints were lying (No reason for them to be doing so…) , or the police have decided to cover it up, and downplay the entire incident for political correctness purposes… “Tea and Biscuits” anyone?
It must be nice to have the status “Most favoured At-Large Criminals” eh?How else do you explain two directly contradictory statements on the same page in the same article FFS?
Use of the world “Claimed” also suggests the police are not taking the complainants seriously - Right?
I also suspect that a full numberplate was given to the police, but that information has been surpressed, perhaps because the perps in question were actually “Ukainians” who, in law - cannot do any wrong at this moment in time.
C’mon Man! - If the car was parked up long enough to count the number of people getting out of it - then SOMEONE got that registration!
No way have all the key bits of “Intel” required to make an arrest - “not been given to the police” when a complaint has already been made.
The Police - simply don’t want to take action against this particular group of perps. Another “Crime Number” and “No Action Taken”.If the Perp had been Tommy Robinson though, who may have caused offence by swearing within earshot of delicate ears nearby, - then no doubt SO19 would have been called out - right away!
Fair comment, that I didn`t notice the difference in what was reported on F/B and what the Police say was reported to them.
Given there are no, that I can see, reports directly from those there at the time, that seems to be second and third hand info getting distorted.
Do you have any connections to immigration in the UK, like a partner, or friend or family member that was or is, as a bit focused on opposing anything posted ?
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laugh
I disagree with a lot of Franglais’ posts, but it is important to hear/consider both sides of a story.
The problem with so many Facebook/tiktok posts is that they are without any factual backup, and often are simple hearsay. Unfortunately many viewers then take those to be gospel, without even the smallest attempt at verification.
I have no reason not to believe Murray, these things do happen. If it did, they were very lucky, two parents against 5 criminals are not odds I would like.
The problem with clips like these is that many of those who watch them, will now conclude that most, if not “all them East Europeans” are potential child snatchers, and a fair number would probably advocate taking preventative action against them.
Remember that Paediatrician that was hounded out of her home, by an angry mob in Newport, because they didn’t know the difference between a doctor who heals children, and a child molester…
As for the police, they are becoming increasingly pointless, but without an actual crime being commited, there is little direct action they can take.
These events with kids involved, pity the old school gangsters are gone, might of been criminals, but kept the foreign ones under control through fear, which is something the police and this country don’t create in them, as hands tied and they know it…
Irelands okay as either UDF or some fraction of the IRA will of stepped in quietly, as their well practised in protecting their people… and after watching them harass women in shops etc on youtube… did think and chuckle, stupid fools… used to kneecap teens for joyriding, so no knees, no longer a problem… so imagine what punishment fits harassing women…
TonkaBoy:
Do you have any connections to immigration in the UK, like a partner, or friend or family member that was or is, as a bit focused on opposing anything posted ?
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TonkaBoy:
Franglais:
TonkaBoy:
Do you have any connections to immigration in the UK, like a partner, or friend or family member that was or is, as a bit focused on opposing anything posted ?Why won’t you answer the question ?,
your earlier response, shows you fear it, as you avoid answering it, just a simple yes or no,
people that avoid direct questions, with answers have nothing to hide dont you think ? unless its possible a biased view for some reason.
and therefore you would be no better than the likes of Boris and the goverment you so hate, and therefore a hyp·o·critie…
I am several generations in for this country, origins of Scottish, Irish and then Spanish beyond that, but back when drake was defending these shores, so have the right to the benefits provided by the UK, plus fought to defend it, worked and paid into it…
So answer the question, doesnt invalidate your beliefs but allows others to maybe understand your motivation, instead of thinking you have a mental disorder …
If you avoid it again after this post, just shows you have something you FEEL may undermine your posts authenticity
So my posts can only be valid if I tell you I am a long term resident? Otherwise you will ignore them as I am somehow prejudiced?
Because I have different views than you, and you fail to understand that, you assume I must be mentally unbalanced?
I avoid asking about others origins because I want to take their posts at face value.
I don`t want to read anything into them through the prism of their colour or other origins.
For that reason I don`t like talking about myself.
Take my posts as posts. Read my links and use facts to see what I am saying.
Dont use lazy stereotypes about origins to catagorise me as someone who is/isnt worth listening to.
Completely unrelated, but hopefully interesting?
telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 … -actual-c/
COMMENT
I left the police because I wasn’t allowed to fight actual crime
Too many bosses and senior civilian staff are more intent on building evidence for their next promotion and appeasing campaignersRORY GEOGHEGAN
26 April 2023 • 6:00am
A Metropolitan police badge in London
Like many before me, I became a police officer to fight crime. I wanted to catch criminals and lock them up. I wanted to make my local neighbourhood safer. Nothing felt better than putting away burglars, fishing knives out of waistbands, and knowing that in doing so I was making the streets safer.When I started in the Metropolitan Police as a volunteer police officer, I had hoped to find a force dedicated to fighting crime. Yet the recruitment process was more of a half-baked attempt to identify bigots than any sort of test for crime-fighting aptitude.
As I progressed, becoming a regular officer, I witnessed an organisation in which too many senior leaders were more interested in reputation management than in protecting the public. The force’s systems were archaic – geared towards consuming officer time and slowing things down. And too often, we were required to deal with overspills from other agencies, particularly around mental health.
Fighting crime was what I was determined to do. In the line of duty, I found myself screamed at, spat at and even shot at. I suffered broken ribs, bruises, and more besides. Much of this was to be expected – but the quid pro quo for officers should be knowing that management and leadership are straining every sinew to support that mission.
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I ended up leaving the force, disillusioned by an organisation that seemed more interested in recording crime than taking it on. Too many bosses and senior civilian staff were more intent on building evidence for their next promotion than in gripping and fixing the simple things that obstruct officers’ day-to-day work and leave them feeling undervalued and unappreciated.
“You need to have a high tolerance for low-level crime,” was the staggering invocation from one, now disgraced, senior officer. It revealed to me the extent to which much of the leadership would rather have a quiet life of meetings with community activists than risk rocking the boat by delivering on the public’s crime priorities.
These experiences, coupled with my own series of close calls and near-misses, led me to the conclusion that if I had continued fighting crime, I’d have ended up in the ground or in intensive care. I wasn’t the first or the last crime-fighting police officer to arrive at such a bleak conclusion.
The need for policing to rediscover its purpose is evident from charge rates for some serious crimes that have fallen from healthy double digits to low single digits. It’s also obvious from public attitudes, with recent polling finding that seven in 10 Britons think the police have given up on solving crimes like burglary and shop theft.
As some police chiefs know, it does not have to be this way. The system can change – but it will take courage and conviction. Police leaders will have to develop a resistance to the endless stream of junk policy and practice being fed to them by campaigners who would rather apologise for criminals than see them caught.
Today’s launch of The Public Safety Foundation, featuring a speech from the Home Secretary on policing and crime, marks an important first step. This new foundation will speak up for a public frustrated by the lack of crime-fighting, stand with the beleaguered men and women on the frontline, and do all it can to help make the UK the safest place to live, work and raise a family.
Rory Geoghegan is the founder of The Public Safety Foundation, a former police officer, and a former special adviser on crime and justice in No 10
Franglais:
TonkaBoy:
Franglais:
TonkaBoy:
Do you have any connections to immigration in the UK, like a partner, or friend or family member that was or is, as a bit focused on opposing anything posted ?Why won’t you answer the question ?,
your earlier response, shows you fear it, as you avoid answering it, just a simple yes or no,
people that avoid direct questions, with answers have nothing to hide dont you think ? unless its possible a biased view for some reason.
and therefore you would be no better than the likes of Boris and the goverment you so hate, and therefore a hyp·o·critie…
I am several generations in for this country, origins of Scottish, Irish and then Spanish beyond that, but back when drake was defending these shores, so have the right to the benefits provided by the UK, plus fought to defend it, worked and paid into it…
So answer the question, doesnt invalidate your beliefs but allows others to maybe understand your motivation, instead of thinking you have a mental disorder …
If you avoid it again after this post, just shows you have something you FEEL may undermine your posts authenticity
So my posts can only be valid if I tell you I am a long term resident? Otherwise you will ignore them as I am somehow prejudiced?
Because I have different views than you, and you fail to understand that, you assume I must be mentally unbalanced?
I avoid asking about others origins because I want to take their posts at face value.
I don`t want to read anything into them through the prism of their colour or other origins.For that reason I don`t like talking about myself.
Take my posts as posts. Read my links and use facts to see what I am saying.Don
t use lazy stereotypes about origins to catagorise me as someone who is/isnt worth listening to.
Your post has very little actual relative points, defending assumed propositions, and playing the victim card in doing so…
Worth listening to ? Not sure yet.
You obviously feel people aren’t.
And where you constantly used YOU with your attacks, I only pointed out a possible fear you have…
I didn’t say you had a mental disorder, I said others questioned it, and this might be why maybe…
Its fact, that experiences have effects on peoples, judgments, and views, and why before knowing, I asked as seemed to point towards something with your posts, why do you think that was ?, just a random guess… or from the way your so blinkered with your posts be it, attacking our country leaving the EU, our goverment, our immigration issues,
or others posting about it, with theor view and opinion, but they are so biased in your opinion, and just polarise the subject.
Your the trying to close down conversation, because the narative isn’t following your demanded view, so imediately try to polarise it, to make it easy to shut down with sterotype responses some could say.
You seem frustrated with UK … just a feeling.
So will just allow you your soapbox as such, like others are doing.
but your intent on making it polarised… reeling out factsheets and figures, of which they say, 97% of stats are fake, makes them questionable, regardless of source, against real experience.
and if you don’t like so much in UK thats your choice, but allow others their chance to voice their feelings about it, without an immediate attack.
TonkaBoy:
Your post has very little actual relative points, defending assumed propositions, and playing the victim card in doing so…Worth listening to ? Not sure yet.
You obviously feel people aren’t.And where you constantly used YOU with your attacks, I only pointed out a possible fear you have…
I didn’t say you had a mental disorder, I said others questioned it, and this might be why maybe…
experiences have effects on peoples, judgments, and views, and why before knowing, I asked as seemed to point towards something with your posts, why do you think that was ?, just a random guess… or from the way your so blinkered with your posts be it, attacking our country leaving the EU, our goverment, our immigration issues, or others posting… because they are so biased in your opinion, and you don’t respect them, just look to polarise the subject, which can be seen as a victim mentality to some.
Your the one closing down conversation, because the narative isn’t following your demanded view, so imediately try to polarise it.
You seem frustrated with UK … wont assume, just allow you your soapbox, like others are, but your intent on making it polarised… and that tells me you could grow by not reeling out factsheets and figures, of which they 97% of stats are fake lol… the irony of it… learn to truly see and feel the other persons side… might help you to be listened to more, and if you don’t like so much, you have options no ?
Another psychoanalyst driving a truck?
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laugh
You have to laugh at Franglais rhetoric that anything he posts on these subjects (Brexit being the usual and prime example) is always done for the benefit of “discussion” and “interest of balance” and not in any way cherry picked to fit his agenda and narrative. As well as this story in the OP, I’ll bet good money he would deny that it is normally large groups of young Asian men involved in all these grooming gangs of young girls or that the sudden rise of crime in area’s that are now housing migrants (mostly Albanians) is a massive coincidence.
I don’t believe the Police act the way they do - of “their own accord”, but rather because they’ve likely been leaned-on to go easy on “offenders” in case we end up with a “Floyd” incident in this country, where some absolute villain happens to snuff it whilst resisting arrest, and the entire country goes up in flames, because even the Army have been told to “Not shoot actual Criminals, only peaceful right wingers” if law and order were to break down…
Perhaps a revolution will put the whole world to rights? - BUT we cannot have it until Left and Right stop sniping at each other, and realize that the REAL enemy - are the centerists that play us off against each other…
The 2017 election demonstrated what can happen when previous “Right Wing Voters” - get behind Corbyn to give disliked May a bloody nose…
How about we have something similar in reverse now, where Left-wingers get behind an “outsider” candidate that is best likely to unseat all the hated Tories at the next election?
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Tories lose so many seats, that a Labour win - doesn’t even have them as the Opposition to face any more!
Labour voters need to vote Reform Party in seats Labour are currently third place or lower in…
Labour voters can still vote Labour in those seats they already have, and poach a few off the other minor parties too, of course…
Why should only useless parties like the Greens get to win, and keep a seat - and then do pretty much nothing, bar ■■■■ the public off with their “Green Endorsements” commonplace nowadays? Imagine that instead of Greensters blocking the M25, we saw RP’ers blocking the driveways of actual mansions of the filthy rich?
Just winning “Putney” however, because Labour voters cannot bring themselves to vote anything but Labour - isn’t going to cut the ice though - is it?
Keir Starmer - is going to need a coalition partner who’s NOT the SNP or the Tories… Let’s get that straight. 
He cannot win a majority - all the while SNP hold nearly all the seats north of the border…
Even “Stepping Aside” north of the border, might let a few RP’ers win some of those seats OFF the SNP - at no expense to Labour…
tmcassett:
the maoster:
God forbid you couldn’t find a diametrically opposed view in “the interest of balance” yeah right, more evidence of your descent into mental illness with an overwhelming urge to refute absolutely anything anyone says all the while convincing yourself that you only do it in the interest of balance. Don’t make me laughYou have to laugh at Franglais rhetoric that anything he posts on these subjects (Brexit being the usual and prime example) is always done for the benefit of “discussion” and “interest of balance” and not in any way cherry picked to fit his agenda and narrative. As well as this story in the OP, I’ll bet good money he would deny that it is normally large groups of young Asian men involved in all these grooming gangs of young girls or that the sudden rise of crime in area’s that are now housing migrants (mostly Albanians) is a massive coincidence.
Of course he will, predictable boring out of touch with reality lefty.
There shouldn’t be “In the interests of Balance” anymore… That’s half the bloody problem!
The Left have got some good ideas, and the Right have too…
Yet we keep being ruled by the Centerists who do nothing for either side, and then tell us that “The Left won’t let us arrest criminals - we keep letting ourselves be blocked by lawsuits” or “The Right won’t let us give 35% payrises to Union demands - because we cannot afford it”
(Whilst we can apparently afford to fund Ukrainian National Socialists, and now Sudanese Islamic Insurgents - neither which are any of our business whatsoever, let alone “voted for, to do…”)
Britain needs to stay out of everyone else’s politics, and placate it’s own voters, instead of nicking our cash, and donking it all away overseas…
I think you’ll find common ground between Right and Left here on this…
We’re not an Empire anymore - so why do we keep spending money abroad as if we were?
C’mon Lefties! - Back me up here!
As a Right-leaning person - I’'ll state that I voted Brexit to keep our own stuff for ourselves - I don’t give a toss about “Immigration” too much, or too little - only dwindling pool of resources we have that strangely doesn’t go to the British Taxpayers who’ve already bloody paid out once, and now must keep on doing so over and over…